Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[TheJames101]

There is no reason not to use outcall agency bookings.

Plenty of reasons. You have to book a hotel - thus very often nullifying the price advantage to using agencies.
Maybe you don't want SP's coming to your home? Maybe some people have kids or a spouse, etc...

All reasons why people use incall. in and out. Clean and quick.

 

[EastWind]

There is no reason not to use outcall agency bookings.

Doing outcalls make very perfect sense looking at a safety perspective. Especially if you are a traveler coming to Montreal. Also saves times where she comes to you.

Incalls are good too but ONLY if the girl is doing it at a HOTEL and not some apartment/condo owned by the agency/pimp. Doing the apartment/condo is just open target sitting duck move. Would only do this approach if I am a local. When the HDH market was in full swing and Montreal was visiting the major U.S. cities that was the way to go.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Maybe you don't want SP's coming to your home?

I would never let a SP step foot in my place in a transactional date. Now, a few ones have come for social reasons

 

[minutemenX]

Now, a few ones have come for social reasons

Is there are any other reason to host a girl when you have hands?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Plenty of reasons. You have to book a hotel - thus very often nullifying the price advantage to using agencies.

If you are a tourist it's an expense you incur anyway, and if you are a local it's called paying for liability insurance. Liability insurance is paid for to reduce exposure to a known risk- namely, being arrested for illegal conduct as opposed to not being arrested for legal conduct. That was the very risk under discussion above before you posted. It's not clear to me from your post if you are aware of that discussion- which is what I was responding to.

Of course, many people roll the dice and opt not to pay for liability insurance. And you can do the same thing here by using incall and assuming the risk of whatever happens. Some posters have posted they no longer want to assume that risk. It's all about what level of risk you can live with. And how much you are willing to pay for insurance to reduce that risk.

 

[TheJames101]

If you are a tourist it's an expense you incur anyway, and if you are a local it's called paying for liability insurance. Liability insurance is paid for to reduce exposure to a known risk- namely, being arrested for illegal conduct as opposed to not being arrested for legal conduct. That was the very risk under discussion above before you posted. It's not clear to me from your post if you are aware of that discussion- which is what I was responding to.

Of course, many people roll the dice and opt not to pay for liability insurance. And you can do the same thing here by using incall and assuming the risk of whatever happens. Some posters have posted they no longer want to assume that risk. It's all about what level of risk you can live with. And how much you are willing to pay for insurance to reduce that risk.

Or see reputable indies for an incall, same price as paying for a hotel.

 

[Doc Holliday]

LOL this is too funny. BTW you may be right about Les Filles de Mr. Jacques ("LFMJ") but I remember them having an incall component at some point in time.

I must have seen over 20 girls from LFMJ/JDM over the years & i don’t recall them ever doing incall. Plus the fact their rates were $100-130 per hour at the time i can’t see how they’d even want to offer incall. I’m 100% certain that you’re confusing them with another agency.

There weren’t many incall agencies in those years. I can only think of Private Lies which is where i met the famous Nelly Arcand (a.k.a. Marilyn) at the old Clarion Hotel a.k.a. Manoir LeMoyne on DeMaisonneuve. I remember the stark difference between hobbying in Toronto as compared to Mtl where incalls ruled in Toronto compared to outcalls which is why i mostly saw ladies from agencies like Dreammakers & Cupids, which were mostly outcalls. I did do a couple of incalls at the King Edward, the Delta Chelsea (in a room two doors away from mine!) and some condo near where the old Maple Leaf Gardens was located. As for Mtl i had a total of two incalls which happened at the BW Europa & at the Queen Elizabeth with a Nadya’s superstar & the other one with an indy.

I’ve always preferred outcall for several reasons including security/privacy reasons. Early in my hobbying career i was having dinner in Old Mtl with a popular indy at the time & she asked me whom i was planning to see. She also owned her agency & looking for talent so she had mentioned to me that of ever i found a gem at one of the lower priced agencies (such as LFMJ) that i could give the girl her private number if she wanted to make more money & work for a more high end agency operated by a woman who’s also an escort like she is. When i mentioned to her that i was considering doing an incall with a ‘masseuse’ named Sandrine at La Citee she freaked out & told me that i was taking a huge risk withni calls because she had heard many of these places have hidden cameras. So i always remembered her words & she kind of got me paranoid about it early on. So that’s probably why i avoided incalls in my first years hobbying. Unfortunately i never got to meet Sandrine! Lol. Speaking of hidden cameras. One time i was staying at a brand new condo next to the Bell Centre during the Grand Prix. The airbnb condo i rented that week was owned by Chinese immigrants. My go-between was a young chinese girl who looked like she was 18. When i left a few days later she was in a Bentley driven by her mother & after i handed her the keys they offered to give me a ride to my hotel so i accepted & they dropped me off at the Hyatt Regency (now the Doubletree). Nice people. Anyways all week long i had a strange feeling that i was being watched. I remember walking around nude in the apartment prior & after my shower & suddenly getting that feeling of being watched. I saw a couple of ladies at that place & ended up having sex on the sofa, in the bedroom & in the shower. Later when i read an article about some airbnb places caught with hidden cameras i remembered that feeling i had staying at that condo! Lol.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I must have seen over 20 girls from LFMJ/JDM over the years & i don’t recall them ever doing incall. Plus the fact their rates were $100-130 per hour at the time i can’t see how they’d even want to offer incall. I’m 100% certain that you’re confusing them with another agency.

There weren’t many incall agencies in those years.

You are probably right I was confusing LFMJ with someone else, but their website was all in French as I recall, and it may have been that I misunderstood them to be offering an incall service and that misunderstanding was never corrected. Nobody is going to dispute that my French sucked, then and now.

The more important point of my original post was the one you also made, which I placed in bold- that I do not remember many incall agencies at that time. I was struggling to think of ANY that did incalls. And why was that???? If incall was this great moneymaking business model for agencies, why was nobody doing it at that time? And were locals booking hotels or how were they getting serviced? WHY WAS IT THAT THERE WERE NO INCALL AGENCIES?

 

[asian fan]

They have not after clients, yet. But PoPo now have all the phone numbers of every client who ever made an appointment…..

If they have any imagination at all, they could make calls and I’m pretty sure about 10% of the clients would fin a way to incriminate themselves….

I knew the new chief would stat cracking down on the industry, he did in Longueuil before….

By now, I only see a few ladies that I have known for a while, no agencies, no LL…. But I’ll need time to think this whole thing over. I can’t risk getting medled up with this crap.

People use a burner phone for this hobby!

 

[CLOUD 500]

People use a burner phone for this hobby!

A burner phone is not 100% fool proof. The networks records the IMEI of the phone used and which cell tower was used. Telecommunication companies keep a record of that. So if you used your debit card/credit card to buy that phone if police wanted to they can trace it back to you because you left a trace.

 

[EagerBeaver]

A burner phone is not 100% fool proof. The networks records the IMEI of the phone used and which cell tower was used. Telecommunication companies keep a record of that. So if you used your debit card/credit card to buy that phone if police wanted to they can trace it back to you because you left a trace.

If you pay cash no such issue. Why would anyone use a credit card to buy a burner phone???????? Like WTF, that totally defeats the purpose. There are 2 Kings in this world: Cash and Elvis.

 

[marky1234]

People use a burner phone for this hobby!

If they were to call the clients phone numbers then it would need a team of probably 100 staffs to go through the list, find the identity with cellular providers, make all the follow up calls and write the accusations, 10 district attorneys for the charges and 20 juges! Some here say they can go back 1 year, so lets say 5 girls / day x 7 clients x 365 days = 13,000 validations and inculpations + 10,000 texts with potential clients who didnt book ! That would be the ONLY priority for Montreal police for the next 10 years ! Hahahaha

 

[Doc Holliday]

You are probably right I was confusing LFMJ with someone else, but their website was all in French as I recall, and it may have been that I misunderstood them to be offering an incall service and that misunderstanding was never corrected. Nobody is going to dispute that my French sucked, then and now.

The more important point of my original post was the one you also made, which I placed in bold- that I do not remember many incall agencies at that time. I was struggling to think of ANY that did incalls. And why was that???? If incall was this great moneymaking business model for agencies, why was nobody doing it at that time? And were locals booking hotels or how were they getting serviced? WHY WAS IT THAT THERE WERE NO INCALL AGENCIES?

One thing i remember about LFMJ is that they never advertised on the boards. It was always done through newspaper ads (Le Journal de Montreal, The Mirror, etc) and as long as you had their number written down you were good since the girls listed in their ads didn’t mean much anyway from what i remember. I remember calling a few times when they had a couple of girls with the same name working. Sometimes i noticed girls listed hadn’t worked in weeks. Often girls he mentioned who were working weren’t even listed in their ad. A few times he sent a different girl than the one who was supposed to show up but i didn’t complain since the girls he sent instead were hot as hell. I still remember when i’d call he’d never ask for my name or how to contact me. It was “Where are you located? Okay i got Kim, Josee, Joelle & Natasha available in your area right now. She can be there in 15 minutes. Oh and Josee is also available in about an hour if you want to wait.” I’d say “You already mentioned her.” He’d say “That’s a different one. Another Josee. This one has blond hair, the other one’s a brunette.” If i’d tell him to send Natasha, for example, i had no idea if she’d be the one showing up. Lol. And what i liked about him & the rates structure is that it encouraged multiple hours. First hour was $130 & the extra hours were $100. Often if i liked what i saw i’d immediately tell her othat i wanted to add an hour & she’d tell him when making her call & i was never refused. If by the end of the second hour i wanted to extend i’d tell her & she’d call him & he’d say ok. He even told me once to just call him later if i want to add another hour again. My record with one of his girls was five hours! Lol.

Regarding your question in the last paragraph why there weren’t more incall agencies at the time is that i think there were more of them however they mostly advertised in the newspapers. Many still weren’t too savy with how the internet worked in the early 2000’s or simply had enough business to bother. I remember several independents offering incall. Remember Sophia’s Pleasures? Private Lies was also extremely popular at the time until they got busted. A hobbyist i knew back then was at one of their incall locations when the cops came busting in. He said he managed to escape through a stairwell when he heard a commotion going on & right away figured it could be a bust so he grabbed his clothes & escaped nefore the cops showed up. Another guy i knew was caught in one of their busts & had to show up in court. He had to pay off someone via his lawyer to keep his name out of the papers. I remember him telling me that the person who denounced him was one of the girls he saw whom he suspected was being extorted by the cops.

 

[mauricevachon]

If you pay cash no such issue. Why would anyone use a credit card to buy a burner phone???????? Like WTF, that totally defeats the purpose. There are 2 Kings in this world: Cash and Elvis.

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They are banning cash everywhere.

Pretty soon there will be only one king.

 

[LeDodo]

Or like in Hong Kong, to "try" to reduce the scam scheme using a phone, they'll enact a law that force you to show a real identity in order to purchase a SIM.

 

[pervertedmonk]

A burner phone is not 100% fool proof. The networks records the IMEI of the phone used and which cell tower was used. Telecommunication companies keep a record of that. So if you used your debit card/credit card to buy that phone if police wanted to they can trace it back to you because you left a trace.

Debit or credit card for a burner phone? Thats a good one.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

A burner phone is not 100% fool proof. The networks records the IMEI of the phone used and which cell tower was used. Telecommunication companies keep a record of that. So if you used your debit card/credit card to buy that phone if police wanted to they can trace it back to you because you left a trace.

How many times will we have to repeat that, absent other aggravating factors, the likelihood that police will try to "track down" a client is extremely low?

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

How many times will we have to repeat that, absent other aggravating factors, the likelihood that police will try to "track down" a client is extremely low?

I would also add that, of the 153 people arrested for buying sex from an adult in Quebec in 2024 (see my post #843), a large fraction were likely denounced to the police by a sex worker for other criminal acts (e.g. theft, assault). The large year over year increase in the (still very small) number of arrests is likely not mainly due to changing political priorities, as I suggested in my initial post. After further thought and discussion with a source in the industry, I think it's more likely that, in the post #MeToo era, women, including sex workers, feel more empowered to denounce to authorities various forms of abuse by men, and that one direct consequence of this is an increase in arrests for buying sex (see my point above about related criminal acts). I will remind everyone that the current legal framework aims to protect sex workers and to criminalize their clients.

 

[Thepathtoparadise]

I used to have a Merb account back in the day to check out the ads but I deleted it. This ''debate'' made me want to get involved again, it took me back to a certain era of my life. I'm in my late 40's and have been seeing SP for the last 10 years since a really tough breakup. When I was in my 20s in the 2000s I was pretty wild, I went to raves, goth clubs, kink events and all that stuff. I partied pretty hard and one of my first girlfriends became an escort. She was bipolar and couldn't maintain a normal job more than a few months. When she was manic she would work for an outcall agency many days a week.. at first it was cool, we had money to go on road trips and party more, but pretty fast I realized the job wasn't as glamorous as she told her friends it was. She was bulimic and started using a lot of coke to lose weight, one client slapped her in the face so hard that she had a bruise for an entire week. I had to break up with her. She was hospitalized and went to rehab and was good for a while, then she moved away from Montreal. I didn't hear from her again until 5 years later in Toronto where she was working as an indy. She was still using once in a while but she looked much happier.

I never had trouble getting girlfriends and hookups, I'm involved in the cultural and entertainment scenes and I am pretty good looking, even now at my age. I just got exhausted of having one night stands with girls I'd meet at bars and have to deal with the aftermath. I was also too heart broken after a really long relationship, and I didn't know what I wanted. In 2015 one guy I worked with saw escorts on a regular basis and bragged to the whole team about it. This guy was pretty famous in our scene but he was totally sex obsessed, always wanted to take us to strip clubs after work and so on. It's because of that guy that I decided to try escort agencies, he said the same thing a lot of guys in this discussion said, he told us these girls love what they do. I told him about my ex he said no no, things have changed, try these places, the girls are well paid and well treated and all of this.

Hey to each his own but I only booked indies now. I tried both outcall and incall agencies, probably 5 times and most of these experiences were not really what I was hoping for. I know what it looks like when someone's high, half of these girls were so strung out on coke. I remember one girl told me not to follow her to the bathroom, and I asked her if guys often did that, she said yes. I realized this was also not what I was looking for, it felt impersonal and strange to me. One girl had been crying, god knows what happened before I got there, she started kissing me but I just couldn't get turned on. I have no trouble believing these women were being exploited.

There was one girl I have a fond memory of that I met at an agency, it was the one time I decided to book longer than an hour. She invited me over for dinner and I was really surprised, I hesitated. After a couple drinks she started crying and told me she absolutely hated it there, shared similar stories that have been mentioned here.. She admitted to me that she and other girls tried to hang out with their clients after their shifts so they could see them independently, I felt like shit and gave her some money for her time but declined seeing her after. So yep none of this is surprising to me. I know a few women who used to be in this industry, some my age some younger. If I thought seeing sex workers was a horrible thing I wouldn't be doing it, but i keep in mind what these women and what the SP I see have told me when indulging. Yeah the sex is important but to me what I love the most about meeting escorts is getting to know a beautiful woman and having a good time with her without the responsibility and possible heartache of a relationship

 

[EagerBeaver]

She admitted to me that she and other girls tried to hang out with their clients after their shifts so they could see them independently, I felt like shit and gave her some money for her time but declined seeing her after. So yep none of this is surprising to me.

The Path to Paradise,

Thanks for your post and perspective. Your post reminded me of, perhaps, the best memory of the time I spent as an active participant as client of escorts from 2000-2017 which were my so called peak years. In the summer of 2004 I met an agency escort at the then Hyatt at the Complex Desjardins, which I think is now a Doubletree. Anyway, met her for what I recall was a 2 hour date. We got along well. At the end of the date, she was not leaving my room. It was strange to me. I then asked her if she had some other bookings. She told me she did not. She was very cool about it and continued conversation with me, showing no signs of wanting to leave. I believe I had booked her for a 4-6 pm time slot. As 6:30 p.m. rolled around and she was still in my room, I was getting really hungry. So I asked her, "hey, I am hungry, want to get dinner?" And she said yes. We ended up spending another 4-5 hours together, walked all over the city, and finally had a late dinner at some Italian restaurant on rue de la Montagne, which I cannot remember the name of and is no longer there, anyway. It was a truly wonderful evening and spending it with her was worth way more than the 2 hours I paid her for. I did end up seeing her again, once or twice, but then she vanished from the business and disappeared. Was one of the better experiences I ever had with an escort from the social if not sexual standpoint.