Random thoughts: What’s on your mind lately? Part 2

[Lunaseraphim]

Oh, by the way, here's a tip for providers who want more bookings that are over an hour long if you are struggling to get them currently : try to lower your rates for longer bookings. For example, I charge 340$h but I don't charge 680$ for 2 hours, I charge 560, which is pretty much what agencies charge for that amount of time. It really helps!

I also saw some people make fun of providers who offer discounts and specials once in a while, and I understand that from an outside perspective it looks like the person is desperate, but the fact is that it's a marketing tactic. A lot of successful businesses offer discounts once in a while, for example around the holidays. It's controversial to offer a discount as a provider for valid reasons, and I am not offering one anytime soon.. It's not something that works for me.

I've experimented with discounts once in a while just to see what would happen, I basically just offered services at older rates of mine for a very short period of time. This isn't because I was desperate, I just wanted to see if it would work.. While it wasn't super successful like I said, it did attract clients who weren't sure if they wanted to book me or not. Some of them came back and paid the full rate, some became repeat clients and they didn't wait for another discount to book me. Some didn't come back, but I was glad I was able to provide a great experience to someone who couldn't afford my full rate.

I know there is a controversial practice of providers offering discounts in exchange for good reviews.. While this is none of my business, I don't know what my opinion on it is.. lol and this wasn't the purpose of me offering discounts once every 3-4 months at some point. But while none of my positive reviews were written by gentlemen who got a discount, I have a feeling that guys who write a lot of reviews will feel tempted to book you if you offer a discount because seeing a lot of providers is expensive and if you are charging a little bit lower your rate can fit in this person's budget.

I'm still working on my marketing skills and my branding, so take this advice with a grain of salt..

 

[jeffmathers]

Yes, the advertising platforms charging a lot is another issue, particularly leolist because it's not a monthly price. You are also not guaranteed to get a client if you bump your ad on leolist, particularly if you screen or ask for deposits. According to many providers, in the past you could advertise for free and get clients.. You also didn't need to have a ton of social media accounts to promote yourself.

Would anyone like to see a photo of my kitten? He's very cute. Free cat pics in your inbox.

Having to run multiple social media accounts and keep up a curated public persona seems so painful to me.

 

[Mailloche]

Oh, by the way, here's a tip for providers who want more bookings that are over an hour long if you are struggling to get them currently : try to lower your rates for longer bookings. For example, I charge 340$h but I don't charge 680$ for 2 hours, I charge 560, which is pretty much what agencies charge for that amount of time. It really helps!

I also saw some people make fun of providers who offer discounts and specials once in a while, and I understand that from an outside perspective it looks like the person is desperate, but the fact is that it's a marketing tactic. A lot of successful businesses offer discounts once in a while, for example around the holidays. It's controversial to offer a discount as a provider for valid reasons, and I am not offering one anytime soon.. It's not something that works for me.

I've experimented with discounts once in a while just to see what would happen, I basically just offered services at older rates of mine for a very short period of time. This isn't because I was desperate, I just wanted to see if it would work.. While it wasn't super successful like I said, it did attract clients who weren't sure if they wanted to book me or not. Some of them came back and paid the full rate, some became repeat clients and they didn't wait for another discount to book me. Some didn't come back, but I was glad I was able to provide a great experience to someone who couldn't afford my full rate.

I know there is a controversial practice of providers offering discounts in exchange for good reviews.. While this is none of my business, I don't know what my opinion on it is.. lol and this wasn't the purpose of me offering discounts once every 3-4 months at some point. But while none of my positive reviews were written by gentlemen who got a discount, I have a feeling that guys who write a lot of reviews will feel tempted to book you if you offer a discount because seeing a lot of providers is expensive and if you are charging a little bit lower your rate can fit in this person's budget.

I'm still working on my marketing skills and my branding, so take this advice with a grain of salt..

Usually business discount is to attrac costumers so they will spend on other things more expensive. Sp's menu have to be simple and easy to make a choice for booking. Anyway at the end of the day we just want to fuck it's not like we buying a Ford 150 and get lost in the options. Soon sp's will accept booking base on the dick sizes, depends if they want to work hard or not.

 

[jeffmathers]

Usually business discount is to attrac costumers so they will spend on other things more expensive. Sp's menu have to be simple and easy to make a choice for booking. Anyway at the end of the day we just want to fuck it's not like we buying a Ford 150 and get lost in the options. Soon sp's will accept booking base on the dick sizes, depends if they want to work hard or not.

I can't tell if you're happy you would get a discount for a smaller size or upset you would get charged more for being too large.

 

[Mailloche]

I can't tell if you're happy you would get a discount for a smaller size or upset you would get charged more for being too large.

Good one!!

 

[LeDodo]

Having to run multiple social media accounts and keep up a curated public persona seems so painful to me.

It's actually a lot of work. I always tell myself when I see a professional at work who looks doing his/her job easily the amount of preparation, experience (it could be years or decades), concentration behind the scene.
We most of the time take it for granted or take shortcuts in our analysis on services.

 

[jeffmathers]

It's actually a lot of work. I always tell myself when I see a professional at work who looks doing his/her job easily the amount of preparation, experience (it could be years or decades), concentration behind the scene.
We most of the time take it for granted or take shortcuts in our analysis on services.

I always try to let providers know when there is a mistake in their ad like if they have the wrong number or like with one provider in Vancouver she didn't know she could put contact info on her tryst ad. Most clients don't have a tryst account. Way easier to put her number and email on there. Of course I said this in a nice way. Most clients who give advice don't really know what they're talking about. I've only seen someone have the wrong number on their ad once.

 

[Jacobisrael]

Usually business discount is to attrac costumers so they will spend on other things more expensive. Sp's menu have to be simple and easy to make a choice for booking. Anyway at the end of the day we just want to fuck it's not like we buying a Ford 150 and get lost in the options. Soon sp's will accept booking base on the dick sizes, depends if they want to work hard or not.

Usually business discount is to attrac costumers so they will spend on other things more expensive. Sp's menu have to be simple and easy to make a choice for booking. Anyway at the end of the day we just want to fuck it's not like we buying a Ford 150 and get lost in the options. Soon sp's will accept booking base on the dick sizes, depends if they want to work hard or not.

Funny you mention that. There is one in particular that says openly that she refuses bbbj for uncut men! Another one refuses below 5 inches! Just for the record I’m not concerned by the 2. It sucks nonetheless!

 

[LeDodo]

Funny you mention that. There is one in particular that says openly that she refuses bbbj for uncut men! Another one refuses below 5 inches! Just for the record I’m not concerned by the 2. It sucks nonetheless!

 

[Mailloche]

The dick size will not concern you, you are there to cuddle with the sp's cat while talking.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Usually business discount is to attrac costumers so they will spend on other things more expensive. Sp's menu have to be simple and easy to make a choice for booking. Anyway at the end of the day we just want to fuck it's not like we buying a Ford 150 and get lost in the options. Soon sp's will accept booking base on the dick sizes, depends if they want to work hard or not.

I wasn't saying SP should offer discounts just explaining why some of us do it from time to time. Offering a discount doesn't encourage anyone to spend more, unless it's a discount on something more expensive specifically.

I'm certainly not planning on asking for people's dick size before booking them, and I don't think anyone I know is, either. I'm not sure if you're making this comment because you're implying that people offer discounts to avoid working hard.

I guess if someone charges affordable rates that's a way to avoid working, and so is charging a lot. Thanks for informing me of this, I wasn't aware.

I don't really understand what's the connection between my comment and SP discriminating based on dick size and whether someone is circumcised or not.. I don't understand why a SP would do this, it's discriminatory and obviously we have to adapt to different shapes and sizes

My suggestion of having lower rates for longer bookings isn't the same as having a discount and if you just want to book an hour so be it. There are also clients who do want to fuck the whole time during a 90 min or 2 hour booking, by the way. So this isn't a tactic to "work less hard".

I'm also not saying "raise your hourly rate or remove hour long booking entirely" but I feel like this is what was understood lol in fact I wouldn't currently advise someone to remove hour long bookings or to raise their rates too much because they won't have a lot of clients particularly at certain times of the year.

 

[LeDodo]

The dick size will not concern you, you are there to cuddle with the sp's cat while talking.

Yes I like kitty cat

 

[LeDodo]

Btw her name was grumpy cat RIP

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I don't bring my cats to my incall to avoid working by distracting clients lol I just thought the photo was cute. These conversations are really absurd.

 

[Mistertwice]

For years I believed that in the song <Don't Shoot Shotgun> from Def Leppard the lyrics were ...and my Senseï say keep away... instead of "my senses say" I was like ok good advice.

 

[Valentina Amante]

There are also clients who do want to fuck the whole time during a 90 min or 2 hour booking, by the way. So this isn't a tactic to "work less hard".

It’s actually less work for more $$$ when SPs enforce a 2-hour minimum “social date” before getting down to business - which, let’s be real, 99% of the time this business involves no pants.

Also not saying social dates aren’t work for us either, however, the majority of clients aren’t out here dying to chat about your favourite wine or your star sign for two hours before getting to the part where pants come off. Forcing this setup as the new standard is less about client needs and more about ego or trying to weed out people who can't afford your inflated minimums. Which is also fine - just don’t dress it up like it’s a revolutionary business model when it’s really just gatekeeping access under the guise of “class”.

 

[LC18]

Enfin du temps frais, mon dieu ça fait du bien après cette série de jours où on se sentait comme dans un four. Profitez bien de votre week-end et soyez prudents!

 

[philonius]

I know some people will not want to ask so here is one

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I sat, fingers crossed, hoping 'pics of my kitten' was a euphemism before I clicked to the next page. Can't say I'm disappointed tho...

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I sat, fingers crossed, hoping 'pics of my kitten' was a euphemism before I clicked to the next page. Can't say I'm disappointed tho...

It wasn't but I can assure you I don't remain fully clothed during bookings lol I was hoping sharing something cute and wholesome would lower tensions here but it clearly didn't work.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

It’s actually less work for more $$$ when SPs enforce a 2-hour minimum “social date” before getting down to business - which, let’s be real, 99% of the time this business involves no pants.

Also not saying social dates aren’t work for us either, however, the majority of clients aren’t out here dying to chat about your favourite wine or your star sign for two hours before getting to the part where pants come off. Forcing this setup as the new standard is less about client needs and more about ego or trying to weed out people who can't afford your inflated minimums. Which is also fine - just don’t dress it up like it’s a revolutionary business model when it’s really just gatekeeping access under the guise of “class”.

But I'm not talking about enforcing a 2 hour minimum social date, I'm talking about charging less for longer bookings. That's a completely different concept.

Example:

30 minutes 200$
1h 300$
90 mins 400$
2 hours 500$

Does this make sense?

Clients will obviously not book for 2 hours to talk the whole time. When you have different options you're not enforcing anything, you're just giving options, like on your website. (Which is really well designed by the way)

Like I said earlier, if a provider asked me for advice on how to be independent, I would never advise she has a 2 hour minimum and charges a super high rate. She won't have clients. The providers who do this have been around for a while and probably have regulars they see at older rates and for shorter periods of time. I also don't have the intention of doing this myself. I also would never tell a new provider ''oh by the way when you get sessions over an hour the clients will just talk the whole time until the last 10 minutes'' lol that's just not the truth...

Also, you're right. None of the tactics that high end providers use are ''revolutionary business models''.. they have been around for a while, and some clients are perfectly fine with it. A lot aren't which is understandable, most people can't afford to see a luxury provider.. but reality is most of us will remain somewhere in the middle or have to work for lower rates, so it's not hurting anyone that there are providers with these types of business models.