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http://takimag.com/article/then_again_maybe_im_a_black_man_joe_bob_briggs/print#axzz4gLf1ZhUU

....So here’s an idea. What if we declared, by law, that all Americans are the same race? We’ll call the race “American.” It’s a nationality, it’s an ethnic group, and it’s a race.


As part of this law, we would make it illegal to subclassify or hyphenate anyone. Therefore, no more Asian-Americans, no more African-Americans, not even any Native Americans, because that word would become redundant.
Wouldn’t this be the most egalitarian thing we’ve done since 1787?

Wouldn’t it be nice if, from now on, when you filled out an employment application or a bank-loan form or volunteered for the Peace Corps, you would be spared the question “Which race do you associate yourself most closely with?”

Because that is the way they state it. Even the Nielsen ratings people know you can never ask, straight up, “What race are you?” Which race do you associate with? The question itself implies that you can switch anytime you feel like it, that race is a sort of con game used by marketers to put people in categories without asking questions that are illegal.

As a backup plan, if Congress declines to do our bidding, let’s all start choosing an alternative race on the census form. People do change races—or, thanks to Ancestry.com, start thinking about them in a new way. Ice-T once told me that he considered himself white until the age of 10, when his elementary school classmates in New Jersey informed him otherwise. With intermarriage among the so-called races increasing over time, we’ll soon have such a mishmash of skin colors and body types that there won’t be much value in the broad DNA categories anyway.

And isn’t this the goldurn point? Isn’t this the very essence of America? After all, it’s called the melting pot, not the pot of mutually exclusive highly identifiable ingredients.

Why should America, of all countries, even allow the government to classify by race? We don’t allow the government to classify us by medical condition, or IQ, or income, except when we voluntarily participate in blind studies. And yet it’s okay to classify us by skin color? Are you kidding me?

In fact, the census currently recognizes six racial categories and two ethnic categories—and behold how worthless they are...

http://takimag.com/article/then_again_maybe_im_a_black_man_joe_bob_briggs/print#ixzz4gLlzJ89x
 

westwoody

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It is a good concept. The hyphening of Canadians is divisive as well.

Member of Parliament Robert Falcon Oullette want longer sentences for assault, rape of murder of women IF the victim is a First Nations woman.
Tell me...how is the life of a First Nations woman worth more than that of a white woman, or a Chinese woman?

No, this is too much! , everyone is the same, no you are not special.
You want equality, you have to be the same as everyone else.
No worse, but no better either.
 

F117

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Whenever I have to fill out a form and it has a space for "Race:" I put, "last place". My "race" is pretty obvious when you see me. But it doesn't make me more "special" than anyone else on this planet....
 

Halloween Mike

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Not sure i understand your point or what its supose to mean honestly... American is a nationality, not a race. As much as some peoples would like to see "races" go away and that we all be considered just "humans" in a happy world, its not possible. When police look for a suspect, it help a lot to mention what race he is , be it caucasian, african-american, latino or any other races. And the first nations are very proud to be so and not be labeled differently.

Im proud to be a Quebecois pure-laine, as much as i respect the first nations, my ancestors are the ones who worked hard to make Quebec what it is today and resist the oppression from all fronts , be it american, british or else. I like to be identified as by what i am. Does not mean i don't respect other nations. Everybody that knows me knows i love the Russian culture, the Japanese culture and many mores.

There is no shame in being proud of your roots. If for you its "the grest america" and everything with all it represent, thats cool, you can be of chinese descent and be proud to be american.

But if you expect the "races" to go away... well keep hoping...
 

ShyMan

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My extensive research has convinced me that the human race originated from Africa several thousands years ago. So, we are all of African heritage. The human specie migrated throughout the world and as we evolved and adopted to the specific locations, e.g., Europe, Middle East, Asia, etc., our skin colors, hair and body shape and sized changed to better cope with the geography, climates and survival needs, folks in different parts off became vastly different than their ancient African ancestors. I was born and raised in New York but consider everyone to be my ancient distant cousins. So, I'm proud to be a human being with compassion and empathy for others who are only different from me on the outside. We are all the same inside with the same needs and insecurities. Yes, we speak different languages but at the end of the day, we are all human beings.
 

FreeG

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Shyman you are likely in the minority (tho definitely not wrong). I think people naturally want to feel part of a "team" whether it's a sports one, identifying with a city, state or province (I've found Americans more strongly identify with their state than Canadians do with their province), or other. Sadly, some feel their team is based on skin colour. What I've read is that this was used to the advantage of the upper class in order to keep the lower classes in line, starting centuries ago.

I also think there's a natural tendency in some people to ostracize based on skin colour, just as they may discriminate based on sex, disability, etc. I remember as a kid how easy it could be to gang up on someone who was different. We'd then get wiped by our parents or teachers and grow to realize it was wrong (or feel it ourselves when we were picked on). Unfortunately not everyone gets that teaching or they don't learn it.
 

Carmine Falcone

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As ShyMan said, at the end of the day we're all Africans :smile:

The ethnic descriptor in front of "American" wasn't meant to be divisive. It was merely an attempt to note the fact that even though we come from many different heritages we're ultimately American. Race is a social AND physiological construct. There are minor differences in genetic markers and haplotypes that invariably make someone a certain race. To pick one example out of many, certain Asians have difficulty with alcohol consumption because their genes code for an enzyme variant that makes more of a toxic byproduct of alcohol metabolism. Invariably these minor differences often only matter in a medical setting but they are certainly present. When it's all said and done, just like Depeche Mode said, "People are people."

Glad this was a topic about race. It is definitely NOT a good time to be proud to be American.
 

ShyMan

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I agree with you FreeG. Sadly, people within the same "ethnicity" or other team identifiers, folks still treat others differently depending upon perceived social economic and educational status. I once saw a documentary where a very isolated and primitive tribe of people living in Africa -- different people looked differently but they all resembled "modern" folks in every nation, except for their skin color, which is dictated by pigmentation in their skin, a factor largely influenced by how close or far they were from the equator (or depending upon daily exposure to different sun light waves. I attribute it to our survival instincts -- I often find "discrimination" even among the same ethnic groups. I've always lived in various US Metropolitan areas as an adult, so I don't feel the need to proclaim myself as a proud American. I'm just a proud person. And very happy to visit Montreal.
 

Carmine Falcone

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I also think there's a natural tendency in some people to ostracize based on skin colour, just as they may discriminate based on sex, disability, etc. I remember as a kid how easy it could be to gang up on someone who was different. We'd then get wiped by our parents or teachers and grow to realize it was wrong (or feel it ourselves when we were picked on). Unfortunately not everyone gets that teaching or they don't learn it.

It's not just skin color. Human beings find all sorts of ways to ostracize each other. Tribalism and colorism are two ways people of the same color discriminate against each other, to say nothing of the other differences that can divide people (race, religion, thinking Maroon 5 is good music etc). What the world needs is to Smash Divisions!! but that is only wishful thinking.
 

Halloween Mike

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I've found Americans more strongly identify with their state than Canadians do with their province),

Huh... exept Quebec... lol. You can't have one nation identity more to its province than us. Many peoples from Quebec are independantist and barely consider themselves Canadian if not at all. In all fairness we are so different from our neighbors of other provinces that its a normal thing. We speak french, they speak english, we couldn't care less about the queen, they are highly into her. After all we come from different ancertors and it shows.

On the other side Americans are the most patriotic peoples i seen ... always sporting the eagle flag, support there troops and be all about "god bless america" . Maybe some peoples do love there states and some states seem to be more dominant than others (Texas for exemple) but overall its always USA all the way for most.
 
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