Open Letter: Discrimination Has No Place in This Industry

[EagerBeaver]

Interesting thread. The client has accused Euphoria of discrimination and James has provided non-discriminatory reasons for not servicing this client. As to the distance issue, it seems like this could be resolved financially with greater compensation, although outcall escort agencies, like pizzerias and other businesses specializing in delivery, typically set geographical limits. Sometimes it's by kilometers or miles and sometimes by towns or cities.

I managed a pizza delivery business in Connecticut in my now distant youth. I would occasionally get calls from towns outside our limits and I was trained to tell the caller, "we don't deliver to [ ], but you are welcome to come in and pick up a pie". In other words pizza incall.

I realize incall probably isn't logistically possible for Handi - so it's a problem.

A more interesting issue I had was the housing project that WAS within my pizzeria's geographical set limits. This was the 1980s, and we didn't deliver there because of fear that our drivers would be robbed. A few were in fact robbed. I have no doubt that not every person who called from that housing project for pizza was a criminal. I used to feel bad telling those people they had to come in and pick up their pies, but the project was only around 2 miles from the pizzeria and none of the callers ever protested. Was it discrimination? I guess you could argue it was, in the sense that whether the housing project customer had criminal intentions or not, they had to come in and pick up their pies- pizza incall. But they would get their pizza.

Regarding the ladies not accepting the method of payment being offered by the client, that's a logistical problem on the other side for the agency, just like incall is a logistical issue for the client. The client has to be able to provide payment through the mechanisms specified by the agency. We live in the age of electronic payments and it shouldn't be difficult for any client to adapt if they have the financial means to participate in this business.

 

[FunLuver]

To the Montreal escort community,

It’s time we talk about something deeply shameful — and no, I’m not talking about kink or taboo. I’m talking about blatant discrimination against people living with disabilities.

Recently, it came to my attention that the agency Euphoria refuses to offer outcall services to clients with disabilities. No nuance. No case-by-case. Just a cold, flat-out refusal — as if being disabled disqualifies someone from intimacy, pleasure, or even basic human respect.

(…)

Shame on Euphoria.

And shame on all of us if we let this slide in silence.

(…)

— An advocate who refuses to stay silent

Advocacy also requires rallying people to one’s cause… shaming and guilt-tripping has the opposite effect.

It is clearly conveyed that there is a « flat-out refusal » at (outcall) service for the disabled… but there is rather convenient omission to mention that service has been provided multiple times over the span of a decade… not exactly what I would call « transparency ».

And just wondering on what « data » these accusations were formulated… did you have a full insight into the agency and have access to their communications to arrive at such « systemic disabled exclusion » conclusion ?

I am for fairness and compassion… for all.

Edit: Lunaseraphim resumed it well: no one is entitled to the services of SW. Their game, their rules.

 

[anatomy]

Advocacy also requires rallying people to one’s cause… shaming and guilt-tripping has the opposite effect.

It is clearly conveyed that there is a « flat-out refusal » at (outcall) service for the disabled… but there is rather convenient omission to mention that service has been provided multiple times over the span of a decade… not exactly what I would call « transparency ».

And just wondering on what « data » these accusations were formulated… did you have a full insight into the agency and have access to their communications to arrive at such « systemic disabled exclusion » conclusion ?

I am for fairness and compassion… for all.

Edit: Lunaseraphim resumed it well: no one is entitled to the services of SW. Their game, the

 

[anatomy]

This has turned into a "he said, she said" situation. It has gone beyond a philosophical discussion of right or wrong to the actual facts of the case. Each side has a diametrically opposite version of the facts i.e. how far away is his location, how he pays, what happens when he calls, etc.,etc. Whom are we to believe???

 

[LC18]

Not everyone is comfortable meeting people with disabilities and that doesn’t make them bad people.

It’s a different type of meeting and…well we don’t get trained for that? It’s normal someone prefers to pass if they’re unfamiliar with that kind of setting…

I’m sorry that it means some of you have less options when it comes to choosing the SP you’d like to book

 

[Handi]

This has turned into a "he said, she said" situation. It has gone beyond a philosophical discussion of right or wrong to the actual facts of the case. Each side has a diametrically opposite version of the facts i.e. how far away is his location, how he pays, what happens when he calls, etc.,etc. Whom are we to believe???

Thanks for your comment — and you're right that it could look like a "he said, she said" situation on the surface.

But the core of the discussion actually goes beyond me or any specific facts — it’s about how we treat vulnerability, how much transparency truly exists in this industry, and who gets heard when they speak up.

The real issue is that James and the agencies involved have stayed completely silent other than random arguments about my situation. And that silence? It speaks volumes. It confirms what too many people already feel deep down: nobody really cares.

That’s the part that hurts — and that’s exactly why this discussion matters.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The real issue is that James and the agencies involved have stayed completely silent other than random arguments about my situation. And that silence? It speaks volumes. It confirms what too many people already feel deep down: nobody really cares.

That’s the part that hurts — and that’s exactly why this discussion matters.

I am not following you here- what are "James and the agencies involved" staying silent about? I think it was mentioned that Euphoria had serviced you for many years previously. What is it they should not be staying silent about?

 

[bizoubizou]

Thanks for your comment — and you're right that it could look like a "he said, she said" situation on the surface.

But the core of the discussion actually goes beyond me or any specific facts — it’s about how we treat vulnerability, how much transparency truly exists in this industry, and who gets heard when they speak up.

The real issue is that James and the agencies involved have stayed completely silent other than random arguments about my situation. And that silence? It speaks volumes. It confirms what too many people already feel deep down: nobody really cares.

That’s the part that hurts — and that’s exactly why this discussion matters.

James explained to you why he doesnt wantyour business anymore and you still dont get it.... What do you want him to add? Whatever answer he will gave you, you will never be satisfied. Time to love on. Really.

This is Merb not a group therapy......

 

[LC18]

James explained to you why he doesnt wantyour business anymore and you still dont get it.... What do you want him to add? Whatever answer he will gave you, you will never be satisfied. Time to love on. Really.

This is Merb not a group therapy......

But also isn’t it awkward? Is OP going to beg until James says yes?

And then what? Girls are gonna go to his place against their will? That for sure will be a very exciting date…

 

[DouMan]

This all looks more and more sad seemingly based on entitlement. Let's pull back a minute and look at the bigger picture that is evolving. It tends to depict that "I pay, I want, I get".To many well based arguments the reply comes back to "ok, I'll pay more". Why not just move on to the ladies that willingly offer these specialized services and stop shaming those who don't. It's not because we throw bills on the floor that we are entitled to see anyone pick them up.

 

[anatomy]

Thanks for your comment — and you're right that it could look like a "he said, she said" situation on the surface.

But the core of the discussion actually goes beyond me or any specific facts — it’s about how we treat vulnerability, how much transparency truly exists in this industry, and who gets heard when they speak up.

The real issue is that James and the agencies involved have stayed completely silent other than random arguments about my situation. And that silence? It speaks volumes. It confirms what too many people already feel deep down: nobody really cares.

That’s the part that hurts — and that’s exactly why this discussion

"But the core of the discussion actually goes beyond me or any specific facts". The problem with that is you initiated this whole thread based on a set of "facts". Now, if they weren't true or exaggerated then it was done under false pretenses to introduce your agenda. IF, that's the case you owe James an apology.

 

[Handi]

I hear your point, but I stand by what I shared.

Yes, my post was based on personal experience, and no, it wasn’t exaggerated. But even beyond my case, the larger issue remains: the structural barriers and quiet exclusions that many disabled clients face in this industry. That conversation is uncomfortable, I get it — but it’s necessary.

Let me also clarify something: James referred to me as “entitled,” despite not having had a single direct conversation with me in over four years. That label was based on second-hand opinions, not current facts — and frankly, I expected more professionalism. If anyone acted on assumptions, it wasn’t me.

I didn’t start this thread to create division — I started it to name something many of us know but few are willing to say out loud. If that costs me access or reputation in certain circles, so be it. I’d rather stand for something that matters.

Karma is a bitch hen — look at who just left Euphoria

 

[PSEfreak]

I hear your point, but I stand by what I shared.

Yes, my post was based on personal experience, and no, it wasn’t exaggerated. But even beyond my case, the larger issue remains: the structural barriers and quiet exclusions that many disabled clients face in this industry. That conversation is uncomfortable, I get it — but it’s necessary.

Let me also clarify something: James referred to me as “entitled,” despite not having had a single direct conversation with me in over four years. That label was based on second-hand opinions, not current facts — and frankly, I expected more professionalism. If anyone acted on assumptions, it wasn’t me.

I didn’t start this thread to create division — I started it to name something many of us know but few are willing to say out loud. If that costs me access or reputation in certain circles, so be it. I’d rather stand for something that matters.

Karma is a bitch hen — look at who just left Euphoria

Who left?
Oh, a popular SP changed agency! so so weird, that almost never happens.....

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Thanks for your comment — and you're right that it could look like a "he said, she said" situation on the surface.

But the core of the discussion actually goes beyond me or any specific facts — it’s about how we treat vulnerability, how much transparency truly exists in this industry, and who gets heard when they speak up.

The real issue is that James and the agencies involved have stayed completely silent other than random arguments about my situation. And that silence? It speaks volumes. It confirms what too many people already feel deep down: nobody really cares.

That’s the part that hurts — and that’s exactly why this discussion matters.

I'm just wondering, are you here with us when it's time to defend SP's rights and safety & do you advocate for decrim?
Where are you when there are conversations about discrimination of different kinds in the industry?
Where are you when certain people in this forum are blatantly disrespecting some SP's and defending certain points of view that I find personally questionable?
All of this goes hand in hand.

 

[Handi]

I'm just wondering, are you here with us when it's time to defend SP's rights and safety & do you advocate for decrim?
Where are you when there are conversations about discrimination of different kinds in the industry?
Where are you when certain people in this forum are blatantly disrespecting some SP's and defending certain points of view that I find personally questionable?
All of this goes hand in hand.

That’s a fair question, and I respect your passion for these issues — I share many of the same concerns. But like anyone, I have to choose where and when I speak up. I can’t be everywhere, all the time, on every front — especially when living with a disability already demands so much energy just to navigate the basics.

My advocacy isn’t limited to one post or one space — I’ve been actively involved in disability rights for years, both publicly and behind the scenes. And I absolutely believe in the dignity, safety, and rights of SPs — that’s not up for debate.

This conversation, for me, was about shining a light on one blind spot — not to compete with other causes, but to add to the bigger picture. Every voice counts, and every battle matters — but none of us can carry them all at once.

 

[skarsga]

That’s a fair question, and I respect your passion for these issues — I share many of the same concerns. But like anyone, I have to choose where and when I speak up. I can’t be everywhere, all the time, on every front — especially when living with a disability already demands so much energy just to navigate the basics.

My advocacy isn’t limited to one post or one space — I’ve been actively involved in disability rights for years, both publicly and behind the scenes. And I absolutely believe in the dignity, safety, and rights of SPs — that’s not up for debate.

This conversation, for me, was about shining a light on one blind spot — not to compete with other causes, but to add to the bigger picture. Every voice counts, and every battle matters — but none of us can carry them all at once.

so you once more are trying to convince that your gripe stems from some moral high ground and pursuit of justice rather than a business relationship gone sour.
Sorry, not buying that at all.

Can other disabled folks chime in on this issue?

Hard to take handi repeated diatribes seriously or without a huge grain of salt....

 

[Halloween Mike]

Well if i may chim in a little bit...

Euphoria is an agency that run 100 miles per hours. They have the business and therefore they don't need to go out of their way anymore. Its sad but its a reality we have to adapt to. As an out of town guy, obviously having to wait in front of my computer or cell at 10:30ish to see tomorow's lineup is not "optimal". I can't really use Euphoria as my primary agency anymore because of that, as my trips to Montreal have to be planned in advance (my transportation, my hotel room if i need one, and of course i want to make sure ill see someone on said trip so i usually pre-book with another agency or an indy a few days in advance).

But i still wanna see the providers who work for them, so i "adapt myself" in a way. What i usually do is either try to stay 2 days or i book someone else for a different shift (afternoon or evening) and then wait for the Euphoria schedule to appear for the next day and hope for the best. If it work great, i have 2 good bookings, if it does not, then at least i got one and i can still be lucky to have a last minute booking at a different agency.

Do i miss the days where i would book 2-3 days in advance and James would bring the girls to my hotel room? Of course. But i understand the way he do it now bring more $ and even with the last minute schedule they seem to be almost fully booked everyday. And it also decrease the cancellations from the girls side.

So yes regardless on who's right (OP or James, as they seem to have a very different view on the issue), i can understand OP being annoyed/disapointed in not being able to book Euphoria girls anymore, but its not like its the only agency in town. Its an underground business afterall. Its not a governement regulated business.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

That’s a fair question, and I respect your passion for these issues — I share many of the same concerns. But like anyone, I have to choose where and when I speak up. I can’t be everywhere, all the time, on every front — especially when living with a disability already demands so much energy just to navigate the basics.

My advocacy isn’t limited to one post or one space — I’ve been actively involved in disability rights for years, both publicly and behind the scenes. And I absolutely believe in the dignity, safety, and rights of SPs — that’s not up for debate.

This conversation, for me, was about shining a light on one blind spot — not to compete with other causes, but to add to the bigger picture. Every voice counts, and every battle matters — but none of us can carry them all at once.

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. I hope you find what you need. Have a nice evening.

 

[perso]

I'm just wondering, are you here with us when it's time to defend SP's rights and safety & do you advocate for decrim?
Where are you when there are conversations about discrimination of different kinds in the industry?
Where are you when certain people in this forum are blatantly disrespecting some SP's and defending certain points of view that I find personally questionable?
All of this goes hand in hand.

Bam!

 

[Julia Sky]

That’s a fair question, and I respect your passion for these issues — I share many of the same concerns. But like anyone, I have to choose where and when I speak up. I can’t be everywhere, all the time, on every front — especially when living with a disability already demands so much energy just to navigate the basics.

My advocacy isn’t limited to one post or one space — I’ve been actively involved in disability rights for years, both publicly and behind the scenes. And I absolutely believe in the dignity, safety, and rights of SPs — that’s not up for debate.

This conversation, for me, was about shining a light on one blind spot — not to compete with other causes, but to add to the bigger picture. Every voice counts, and every battle matters — but none of us can carry them all at once.

MANY escorts are also disabled. Advocating for disabled people includes advocating for sex workers considering disability is a very common reason why people choose to get into sex work in the first place. They almost go hand in hand. If your advocacy only pertains to you then it isn't advocacy, it's a tantrum.

I don't think anyone is asking you to carry every battle at once, but you're demanding a reform where one isn't necessarily possible or needed (sex with specific people isn't a right it's a privilege/want, and many escorts aren't comfortable for reasons that have nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with safety, as in your safety if they lack training with disability, for example). And you're demanding that of these people while simultaneously saying that your advocacy stops at their door step because "you can't be fighting every battle". At this point allow me to be blunt : I feel like escorts getting evicted and murdered and discriminated against by banks is far worse than you not getting your dick sucked by the specific escort you want to see. Don't demand a reform where you're not ready to put in the work to stand up for the same people you're asking to bend over backwards for the well being of your penis.

And before you come for me - I've also done disability advocacy. But your lack of understanding of intersectionality in this particular area rubbed me the wrong way. This isn't a different battle. It's a subset of the same battle.