Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?
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MS, allow me to return your greeting of last night with a cheery "Shut the f__k up"
(Sorry Mod 8, but I couldn't let MS think he'd shut me up. Score settled now). As to the principal of your thoughts....I admit to being one of the most skeptical of posters in this regard and I've SEEN NO TRACES OF THIS TYPE OF INFLUENCE on this board in two years. While the Moderators and I have had our disagreements, FredZed seems to have left them completely alone. Given the tone of this board, I think they've done a credible job recently (Yes, even Mod 11 who refers to me as an Idiot).We have two different types of operations here. MERB is more of a cross platform component rather than a sole tool for SEO placement. I may not be phrasing it correctly, but in more plain terms MERB is part of the MERB/TERB/PERB...etc..etc.. larger advertising platform. FredZed seems to allow each of the components to take their own shape. Merc on the other hand seems to exist to leverage Tom's "escort affiliations". The two, from a business perspective, seem to have similar aims with different goals.
score noted but i wasn't aware of any competition.
i'll reserve my own thoughts regarding the influences or interferences that fredzed puts on merb's moderators for myself based on what any of them answers or if they answer and how open they are in their answers. substance is everything.
Hello all,
Gee it's amusing to see Tom go into his Tony clone persona as "The Wickerman" and pretend he isn't totally exposed as Tom.
I can't speak for anyone else but myself Robin, but I would guess you are universally respected here by all senior members who have known you through your posts and reviews. Still I am surprised. You probably know the inner workings of blueland as well as anyone. What are the "terrible two" without the master who provides all of the opportunity, including bringing both of them back from exile he imposed himself to degrade that board. You were inside the committee efforts. You have seen how blueland devolved often against the advice of it's mods. And who directed it all into what it is today. TOM/The Wickerman/The Wicked Man/etc.
Then your solution of "participating" would require all bans for all of those who were only banned for essentially having an opposing point of view/philosophy from the current ilk, and labeled "troublemakers", to be allowed back to apply the peer pressure you cite as the solution. Inevitably, this goes back to why I am perplexed that you don't understand why Tom is the problem. Tom eliminated the peer pressure you propose by eliminating all opposition to his bile-mongering creatures, and thus eliminated your solution. Just read Tom/The Wickerman's posts right after yours in blueland and see what chance your solution has. NONE! Even you can do nothing to sway Tom...and thus the reason he is the target.
Respects,
Merlot
Gee it's amusing to see Tom go into his Tony clone persona as "The Wickerman" and pretend he isn't totally exposed as Tom.
I can't speak for anyone else but myself Robin, but I would guess you are universally respected here by all senior members who have known you through your posts and reviews. Still I am surprised. You probably know the inner workings of blueland as well as anyone. What are the "terrible two" without the master who provides all of the opportunity, including bringing both of them back from exile he imposed himself to degrade that board. You were inside the committee efforts. You have seen how blueland devolved often against the advice of it's mods. And who directed it all into what it is today. TOM/The Wickerman/The Wicked Man/etc.
Then your solution of "participating" would require all bans for all of those who were only banned for essentially having an opposing point of view/philosophy from the current ilk, and labeled "troublemakers", to be allowed back to apply the peer pressure you cite as the solution. Inevitably, this goes back to why I am perplexed that you don't understand why Tom is the problem. Tom eliminated the peer pressure you propose by eliminating all opposition to his bile-mongering creatures, and thus eliminated your solution. Just read Tom/The Wickerman's posts right after yours in blueland and see what chance your solution has. NONE! Even you can do nothing to sway Tom...and thus the reason he is the target.
Respects,
Merlot
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Never happened as far as I know. Fred know we live the daily events of the board so, he trust we know what to do.
If Fred have a question or is asked by an advertiser to justify one of our decisions, Fred have no problem asking us and relaying the info to the advertiser. He act as an interface and trust he doesn't need to intervene further, even if he could. He is the boss and have our respect and he equally respect our judgment.
Hello everyone,
For the poster who asked the question and others who wish to know, and although this question has been answered a number of times on MERB in the past, I will attempt to answer it again. Fred Zed has nothing to do with the day to day function or moderating of MERB. He does not interfere in moderator decisions and moderators are free to use our own judgment when moderating the board. We are not influenced by any outside source in our decisions. Each moderator makes decisions on his own and we do not wait for any group discussion before making a decision. There have been situations where we have consulted each other on a course of action but the moderator making the decision is not bound by any group vote.
Fred has come to us on occasion with questions regarding particular situations in the past but has never over-ruled any moderator decision as far as I am aware. He also has moderator powers of course but it is extremely rare that he ever uses that ability. I cannot actually remember any situation where Fred has banned a member or acted as a moderator in any way. His primary involvement in MERB is handling advertising payments, setting advertising policy and approving new members. Even the selection of new moderators is made by the existing mods, Fred simply sets up the new moderator account when requested.
Fred has always expressed complete confidence in the moderation staff of MERB and we do our best to deserve that confidence by moderating fairly across the board.
The only failure we have had is in getting more smilies for MERB. But we have not given up on that yet!
Mod 8
Hello Mod 8,
Well don't give up the quest my good man...I still have faith in you!!!
<insert cool winking smiley here>
Have fun,
Jman
Merc vs Merb ce n'est même pas fair to compare the two
Merc se cherche de capital de sympathie c'est tout, de plus
Merc est un organisme régional déservant le grand Montréal
point à la ligne.
Merb fait parti d'une organisation national qui est beaucoup plus
prestigieuse et sérieuse beaucoup plus en vue du publique, donc
plus de traffic .
De plus je crois sérieusement que Tom n'est plus le proprio de merc,
il est tout de même pas si imbécille que cela .
I seriously beleive that Tom is no longer the owner of Merc. Why would
he behave like this , he's not that stupid.
Merc se cherche de capital de sympathie c'est tout, de plus
Merc est un organisme régional déservant le grand Montréal
point à la ligne.
Merb fait parti d'une organisation national qui est beaucoup plus
prestigieuse et sérieuse beaucoup plus en vue du publique, donc
plus de traffic .
De plus je crois sérieusement que Tom n'est plus le proprio de merc,
il est tout de même pas si imbécille que cela .
I seriously beleive that Tom is no longer the owner of Merc. Why would
he behave like this , he's not that stupid.
Heather: Dee, I've been trying to understand what this boycott stuff is all about. Can you help me?
D.: I'll do my best. Put your clothes back on and we'll start.
I think it should really be called a “girlcott”.
Heather: could you, just for once in your life, try to be serious?
D.: sure. Why not? Why did the chicken... Just kidding, go-ahead Heather.
Heather: what is it all about?
D.: I'm not really sure myself but as best as I can understand, some users of the green board are upset at users of the blue board and in an attempt to cause the owner of the blue board (not the originators of the comments) financial problems they want to boycott the ladies who advertise on the blue board, to force them to stop advertising there.
Heather: But why hurt the girls?
D.: To protect them.
Heather: Huh?
D.: Precisely.
Heather: Is it proposed that the ladies and agencies who advertise on the blue board be boycotted even if they advertise on the green board as well?
D.: yes.
Heather: that doesn't make sense. Surely the green mods are furious at this.
D.: nope.
Heather: but if the boycotted girls start to lose money and dates isn't there a danger that they will be forced into riskier conduct to make a living.
D.:I'm not sure, but this has long been the theory of certain members.
Heather: I don't understand one member's fervent desire to boycott and yet he will still be seeing the girls who should be subject to the boycott. That doesn't make sense
D.: right again. Rumples has attempted to explain this to the member.
Heather: I must not understand something. It appears to me that to protect the girls the boycotters are attempting to hurt the girls' business.
D.: I don't understand either ... I mean I don't understand the reasoning, I may have some inkling of the reasons but I won't speculate. .
Heather: Have the girls asked for this help?
D.: I'm not aware of any of the girls asking for this help. No one has answered this question
Heather: what would the anticombine folks think about this.
D.: I know nothing about that but I will say I personally have nothing against machines used to harvest crops. Without them we might all go hungry.
Heather: stop it! Do you think that the boycott will work?
D.: what do you think – the main instigator has nothing to boycott (it would be like me boycotting health food), his usually loyal friend will continue to see the girls that are to be boycotted whenever he wants to see them. Hardly anyone has “signed on”. Perhaps there will be a big announcement naming all those that will take the pledge so that the effect will be maximized.
Heather: why don't the main proponents of the boycott present their issues on the blue board?
D.: they are banned there – if I remember correctly, they said they wanted to be banned.
Heather: Huh?
D.: exactly.
Heather: what do you think about the deleting of the posts in this thread?
D: it was to be expected. The mods have the right to run the board as they see fit. I might wish that they would leave in any salient points that have been made.
Heather: while you very effectively make excellent points, there is an air of smugness in your posts.
D.: just my style when combating.. well you know... try to lighten things up. Those who know me, know that I am a very humble man.. add your own Churchill quote here.
Heather: what is the one thing that you would least want the world to know about you?
D.: you're pushing it, my dear.
Heather: come on, answer!
D.: I was in favor of Canada joining the United States of America in the invasion of Iraq.
Heather: I hate you.
D.: will you marry me?
D.: I'll do my best. Put your clothes back on and we'll start.
I think it should really be called a “girlcott”.
Heather: could you, just for once in your life, try to be serious?
D.: sure. Why not? Why did the chicken... Just kidding, go-ahead Heather.
Heather: what is it all about?
D.: I'm not really sure myself but as best as I can understand, some users of the green board are upset at users of the blue board and in an attempt to cause the owner of the blue board (not the originators of the comments) financial problems they want to boycott the ladies who advertise on the blue board, to force them to stop advertising there.
Heather: But why hurt the girls?
D.: To protect them.
Heather: Huh?
D.: Precisely.
Heather: Is it proposed that the ladies and agencies who advertise on the blue board be boycotted even if they advertise on the green board as well?
D.: yes.
Heather: that doesn't make sense. Surely the green mods are furious at this.
D.: nope.
Heather: but if the boycotted girls start to lose money and dates isn't there a danger that they will be forced into riskier conduct to make a living.
D.:I'm not sure, but this has long been the theory of certain members.
Heather: I don't understand one member's fervent desire to boycott and yet he will still be seeing the girls who should be subject to the boycott. That doesn't make sense
D.: right again. Rumples has attempted to explain this to the member.
Heather: I must not understand something. It appears to me that to protect the girls the boycotters are attempting to hurt the girls' business.
D.: I don't understand either ... I mean I don't understand the reasoning, I may have some inkling of the reasons but I won't speculate. .
Heather: Have the girls asked for this help?
D.: I'm not aware of any of the girls asking for this help. No one has answered this question
Heather: what would the anticombine folks think about this.
D.: I know nothing about that but I will say I personally have nothing against machines used to harvest crops. Without them we might all go hungry.
Heather: stop it! Do you think that the boycott will work?
D.: what do you think – the main instigator has nothing to boycott (it would be like me boycotting health food), his usually loyal friend will continue to see the girls that are to be boycotted whenever he wants to see them. Hardly anyone has “signed on”. Perhaps there will be a big announcement naming all those that will take the pledge so that the effect will be maximized.
Heather: why don't the main proponents of the boycott present their issues on the blue board?
D.: they are banned there – if I remember correctly, they said they wanted to be banned.
Heather: Huh?
D.: exactly.
Heather: what do you think about the deleting of the posts in this thread?
D: it was to be expected. The mods have the right to run the board as they see fit. I might wish that they would leave in any salient points that have been made.
Heather: while you very effectively make excellent points, there is an air of smugness in your posts.
D.: just my style when combating.. well you know... try to lighten things up. Those who know me, know that I am a very humble man.. add your own Churchill quote here.
Heather: what is the one thing that you would least want the world to know about you?
D.: you're pushing it, my dear.
Heather: come on, answer!
D.: I was in favor of Canada joining the United States of America in the invasion of Iraq.
Heather: I hate you.
D.: will you marry me?
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CSM is the maverick's maverick!
Mods: Is there anything here that you feel uncomfortable with as far as disclosure of private info is concerned?
Dee,
Thank you for the compliment. With respect to the private information you mention. Certain parties had made, and continue to make, unsupported allegations about my past dealings in this nasty little community of ours. I was simply being allowed to "tell my side of the story", as certain idiots always believe their less than reliable sources. That being said, there will be some other upcoming disclosures to refute many of the other stories being pasted around about me. While I don't really care what certain folks think about me, I do want to be left alone to post without the constant BS accusations of these morons, who tend to talk rather than think.
Signed,
Glad to be a Maverick's Maverick
P.S. Upcoming, that night at the airport.....the untold story.
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Hello Dee,
I have a numer of points to address in your post. First of all, the removed posts in this thread had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. They were removed because they were totally off topic and were basically a minor flame war among certain members. If there had been anything pertinent in any of those posts, it would have remained in the thread and the garbage edited out. You will notice that there is a post in this thread that led to the suspension of a member, Man Spor. While the member was suspended for the post, the post remains as it is pertinent to this thread. Any attempts to claim censorship in this thread are made only to sow suspicion and not based on any factual basis.
Second point, CS Martin is not revealing any personal information in his post. Personal information constitutes information that may be used to identify the real identity of a member or their place of residence. There is none of that in his post. If he wishes to post his experiences as a merc moderator in the goal of informing this community of how that board is run, he is free to do so.
Final point, you should take another look at the title of this thread. The main reason I have allowed this thread to go on is so that the MERB community may have a chance to defend themselves against the constant lies, insults and attacks leveled at the members of this board with impunity by certain members of merc. The proposed boycott by the members is in the goal of getting Tom to actually get off his ass and do some proper moderation on his board. I see nothing about providing protection for SPs as this is something that can never be achieved by any message board. It is, however, possible for a board's moderators to prevent constant attacks on SPs who wish to post on a board and allow them to contribute along with any other member with the same rights in regards to personal attacks and insults on the board. All members on MERB are subject to the same rules and regulations in regards to conduct and posting.
I understand that your usual tactic is to attempt to turn a thread in a different direction by going on the attack and trying to discredit the other posters in the thread. That will not work in this thread. The reason this thread exists is to put pressure on Tom to clean up his board. Nothing more, nothing less.
If Tom wishes this to stop, he simply has to remove any and all reference to this board and it's members. If he complies with this, MERB will return to our policy of asking members to refrain from mentioning any other board in their posts. Peaceful co-existence was once the norm between the two boards and that policy was not broken here, it was broken on merc.
Mod 8
I have a numer of points to address in your post. First of all, the removed posts in this thread had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. They were removed because they were totally off topic and were basically a minor flame war among certain members. If there had been anything pertinent in any of those posts, it would have remained in the thread and the garbage edited out. You will notice that there is a post in this thread that led to the suspension of a member, Man Spor. While the member was suspended for the post, the post remains as it is pertinent to this thread. Any attempts to claim censorship in this thread are made only to sow suspicion and not based on any factual basis.
Second point, CS Martin is not revealing any personal information in his post. Personal information constitutes information that may be used to identify the real identity of a member or their place of residence. There is none of that in his post. If he wishes to post his experiences as a merc moderator in the goal of informing this community of how that board is run, he is free to do so.
Final point, you should take another look at the title of this thread. The main reason I have allowed this thread to go on is so that the MERB community may have a chance to defend themselves against the constant lies, insults and attacks leveled at the members of this board with impunity by certain members of merc. The proposed boycott by the members is in the goal of getting Tom to actually get off his ass and do some proper moderation on his board. I see nothing about providing protection for SPs as this is something that can never be achieved by any message board. It is, however, possible for a board's moderators to prevent constant attacks on SPs who wish to post on a board and allow them to contribute along with any other member with the same rights in regards to personal attacks and insults on the board. All members on MERB are subject to the same rules and regulations in regards to conduct and posting.
I understand that your usual tactic is to attempt to turn a thread in a different direction by going on the attack and trying to discredit the other posters in the thread. That will not work in this thread. The reason this thread exists is to put pressure on Tom to clean up his board. Nothing more, nothing less.
If Tom wishes this to stop, he simply has to remove any and all reference to this board and it's members. If he complies with this, MERB will return to our policy of asking members to refrain from mentioning any other board in their posts. Peaceful co-existence was once the norm between the two boards and that policy was not broken here, it was broken on merc.
Mod 8
I'm sorry, Dee, that you don't understand the dynamics of a boycott. I'm surprised as it's really not all that complex.
1. The only power we have to exert is the power of the purse.
2. The agencies and indys are the financial engine of Tom's malevolent empire.
3. The boycott cuts the flow of revenue to Tom.
4. Tom takes the hit or takes action.
5. No girl's revenue will suffer if she removes her advertising from Tom's venues.
How much simpler would you like me to make it?
1. The only power we have to exert is the power of the purse.
2. The agencies and indys are the financial engine of Tom's malevolent empire.
3. The boycott cuts the flow of revenue to Tom.
4. Tom takes the hit or takes action.
5. No girl's revenue will suffer if she removes her advertising from Tom's venues.
How much simpler would you like me to make it?
Here's an opinion many won't like, but what the hell: I think Montreal needs two boards in order to maintain balance. This is my observation and opinion based upon posting since before the existance of most boards. Unlike others, I would rather see multiple boards. Unfortunately, MERC's management simply is not currently up to the task of managing a productive board. It's not about evil or not evil. Boards, like companies, tend to take on the character of the management. When I became a moderator there, I was led to believe Tom would be "hands off". He would leave day to day matters in the hands of others. He seemed unable to divorce himself from fiddling around and do the one thing a good manager must do "delegate".
My observation is Tom is in a bit of a quandry. He would like better and more responsible content, he's just not able to attract & manage it at this time. Do the posters over there have the ability to post better & more responsible content? YUP. Problem is the environment of the Wild Wild West that Tom's either unwilling or unable to get control of. Boycott......sorry, I can hear Tom laughing hard all the way to Florida. I questioned the use of this thread early on and limited my involvement. I just didn't see the point. I now see its neccessity and great benefit.
Now to the point of the thread: Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?
Boycott: Seems to me it does very little
This Thread: Helps, but unless it stays on point and continues to deliver the message it will be short lived. Posters & Lurkers will quickly dicern the differences of the boards, but a little rational help will push it along
Content: I again want to point out the outstanding job Johnmbot is doing in updating and managing an excellent thread. Some posters here want to create a perception of themselves rather than writing a factual detailed review. They're more worried about their reputations than helping their fellow clients. In fact, they keep the best secrets to themselves. So to recap they write reviews to manage their reputations and keep the best in their hip pockets. Does that sound like a formula for good content or a productive board?
My observation is Tom is in a bit of a quandry. He would like better and more responsible content, he's just not able to attract & manage it at this time. Do the posters over there have the ability to post better & more responsible content? YUP. Problem is the environment of the Wild Wild West that Tom's either unwilling or unable to get control of. Boycott......sorry, I can hear Tom laughing hard all the way to Florida. I questioned the use of this thread early on and limited my involvement. I just didn't see the point. I now see its neccessity and great benefit.
Now to the point of the thread: Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?
Boycott: Seems to me it does very little
This Thread: Helps, but unless it stays on point and continues to deliver the message it will be short lived. Posters & Lurkers will quickly dicern the differences of the boards, but a little rational help will push it along
Content: I again want to point out the outstanding job Johnmbot is doing in updating and managing an excellent thread. Some posters here want to create a perception of themselves rather than writing a factual detailed review. They're more worried about their reputations than helping their fellow clients. In fact, they keep the best secrets to themselves. So to recap they write reviews to manage their reputations and keep the best in their hip pockets. Does that sound like a formula for good content or a productive board?
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Hi Rumples,
I'll take your comment "How much simpler would you like me to make it?" as admirable enthusiasm for your arguable point of view, rather than an insult directed at one who has in the past praised your nobleness and wisdom. Friends can disagree.
I wonder if your explanation of a boycott might not be more profitably directed toward the quaint fellow who misses the point entirely. I understand perfectly what is being attempted; I just don't agree.
On a scale of "not a snow ball's chance in hell" to zero I would appreciate your honest opinion as to whether the girlcott will succeed; I believe you when you say you will boycott... as horny as you are this will put a dint in the income of certain agencies and ladies but I doubt it will bring them to their knees (bad joke). Who else will follow in a meaningful boycott?
Thanks for your reply Mod8.
When u talk about me attacking others... please review my first post here... I didn't initiate anything; I responded.
I know we don't see eye to eye but I sincerely thank you for not banning me.
(I hate to admit it... and I know it won't happen... but I would love to meet you over a pleasant and calm meal in Montreal. You are an enigma to me.)
Take care.
Thanks CSM. your version of "the airport story"... I've heard one version... I look forward to your point of view.
When I say "maverick's maverick"... I mean it, you can't really be categorized. You aren't in anybody's camp.
Take care
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Dissecting the Tool’s cult of personality
Well, Tom can see for certain that his warning to Ziggy (The Huge ..ck) “not to be so viciously confrontational” fell on completely deaf ears.
Ziggy may post what he does for various reasons, only known to him… But the main one by far is to be noticed. He doesn’t care if it’s good or bad, in fact he has noticed that “bad boys” get more attention and this is what he is concentrating on.
Lettuce take his “contributions” on the other side and shred them but good. Here we go.
Tom, it seems Ziggy can’t “moderate” himself, that word is not part of his makeup…
Well, Tom can see for certain that his warning to Ziggy (The Huge ..ck) “not to be so viciously confrontational” fell on completely deaf ears.
Ziggy may post what he does for various reasons, only known to him… But the main one by far is to be noticed. He doesn’t care if it’s good or bad, in fact he has noticed that “bad boys” get more attention and this is what he is concentrating on.
Lettuce take his “contributions” on the other side and shred them but good. Here we go.
- He talks about “my favorite” drugging herself up before dates. Newsflash: youth and drugs have long been synonymous; the drugs are just different now. Clubbing and drugs go hand in hand, and many of Montréal’s SP’s are club girls. If you don’t recognize this reality and hold on to the illusion only my favorite allegedly indulges in such a practice, you are way, way out to lunch and actually not looking in a mirror as hard as I am.
- He rails against the CIM list here. Then, in a review thread where he systematically attempts to destroy an escort on MERC (we are talking about punching until the opponent is totally down here) , he finishes a post by saying he met a certain other escort after, to feel better. Well, the lady is a well-known CIMSW specialist… Not only that, the agency where she works has a member’s site where you can peruse which girl will perform such and such extreme acts outside the GFE norm. By the way, that girl likes wine, a lot! The more wine, the more liberal the service…
- So you want 4SOG in an hour by the girl you are “in love with”? How is that better than CIM?
- Real men don’t say it once and repeat it “the girls love me”. They let the girls say it themselves.
- This whole idea of associating the conflict between EQ and MERC is ludicrous. We are in a conflict with the MERC owner and main moderator for letting lies, personal information and outright hateful attacks generate from his URL. It is not our fault if MERC is also at odds with yet another board…
- Ziggy makes a reference to an email between him and a member (that he names) he is at odds with in one of his posts. Big no-no.
- Oh no, no insults on MERC “mon ostie d’écoeurant”… Anyway you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Tom, it seems Ziggy can’t “moderate” himself, that word is not part of his makeup…
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