legal or not?

[antoine2222]

Is it legal to contact a SP and ask what are her rates via an online ad (like back page, annonce123)? Not setting a date, not agreeing/disagreeing for services, but asking what are the rates for 1 night?

 

[Jamesrenard44]

If you are asking the donation for her companionship, yes no problem

 

[Maria Divina]

Allo Antoine2222,

It legal, but if we're talking about indies with a website, some ladies requirement is that you have read their website before contacting themselves.......

So, by asking what's the donation, you just proved to the lady you contacted that you did not read, at least, one important part of her website.

It could be possible then, depending of the lady, that she will give you a link to the page related OR that she will be asking you to visit her website OR that she will give any answer at all.

 

[antoine2222]

Ok, just not sure with that new law... Says it legal for SP to sell services BUT It says it's an offence to communicate with someone for obtaining services... Kind of confusing :$

 

[Maria Divina]

What's illegal is to hire someone for particular sexual services.

Meeting an escort is legal.

So YES, if you're asking/enquiring about "particular services", by email or by SMS or by phone: Do you do XYZ? And do you do ZYX before ever meeting once or simply
before an encounter, THAT'S ILLEGAL.

 

[antoine2222]

Do you know if there were arrests for people contacting SP online (email)? From the news I read it's almost only street soliciting and minors.

 

[Maria Divina]

J'en n'ai aucune idée, I don't have any idea.

I know there is a thread about the new law and the enforcement of it thru the country on Merb.

 

[Aellyn Rose]

Thank you for this post, very true.
If you are worried, I would also recommend you email from a play-email address or call/text from a play-phone that doesn't link back to you.

Not sure if you quite understand how this works.

It is not illegal in any civilized country, even the US, to purchase someone's time and companionship. So communicating with an escort and buying an hour of her time is not illegal.

Soliciting sex for money is illegal. In the U.S., it is illegal to solicit sex for money and illegal to offer sex for money. In Canada it is only illegal to solicit sex for money. So any email or verbal communication with an escort should not mention any sex act. It is of course okay to mention money, since you are buying a block of time.

You are not guaranteed that any sex will occur during the time you purchase. If the escort you see has reviews, and those reviews reveal what sex acts she typically chooses to perform during the hour, you have a good idea as to what might happen. If you want to be extra safe, don't mention her reviews in the email or text you send to her.

For there to be an arrest regarding an email or phone call, you would need to be communicating with a police officer. So don't communicate via email with someone off of backpage or annonce123 with no reviews, if you want to be certain that you are not communicating with the police.

Even when you are communicating with a known, reviewed escort, just don't mention sex acts. But for there to be an arrest if you do mention sex acts, the police would have to seize her (or her agency's) emails or phone, connect you to that email address, and prove you sent the email. Same with telephone conversations, which would have to be recorded. There have been no arrests for this, because only in a world of complete paranoia, could that ever happen.

 

[The Snark]

Following the passage of C-36 in 2014, Section 286 of the criminal code was amended to include the following clause:

Everyone who, in any place, obtains for consideration, or communicates with anyone for the purpose of obtaining for consideration, the sexual services of a person is guilty of... an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/annualstatutes/2014_25/FullText.html

So yes, it is technically illegal simply to communicate with someone for the the purposes of obtaining sexual services.

But on the other hand it is fairly clear that neither the police nor the Crown in Montreal have deemed this a crime worth prosecuting.

 

[talkinghead]

Since these questions have been raised, I'm going to follow up with a couple questions--because I don't understand the reach of "sexual services." Of course the obvious stuff is obvious ("do you do anal?") and of course LE in Montreal has better things to do than subpoena email records that might hint at such questions. But out of curiosity, what does "soliciting sexual services" mean? Would fantasy play (two adults, fully dressed, with no physical contact involved) be sexual services? Could I ask an SP, when I'm booking her time and nothing else, whether she would act like my 18-year old neighbor? (Or--since it's all an act, someone younger or less appropriate.) Or what about toys; is it legal to ask whether an SP would bring toys if there is no discussion about their use? Or light bdsm: is spanking considered a "sexual service"? I assume that there's a definition somewhere ...

And while I'm at it, does it depend on what the definition of "is" is?

 

[BookerL]

Following the passage of C-36 in 2014, Section 286 of the criminal code was amended to include the following clause:

New law same ONUS OF PROOF


IT's not what they know that counts ,its what they can prove !




Cheers



Booker

 

[BookerL]

the lawyer she had consulted with asked her what she would say if a caller asked her if she does Greek. She said she would tell the caller "no" (she did not offer anal to any customers, by the way). The lawyer said that was the wrong answer, because the police would say that answer implies that she offers sex other than anal sex. The correct answer if the customer had not been screened is to hang up.

Hello Patron



I have a question here ?Are you implying that using the escorting vocabulary for anal sex the term "GREEK" has exactly the same legal implication in Court ?




Cheers




Booker

 

[BookerL]

Hello Patron and all

Yes, that is what I meant. Acronyms are interesting. You see them in US ads, including OWO, BBBJTCIM, Greek, etc. and surprisingly law enforcement does not seem to claim that their use constitutes a direct solicitation of sex by the advertiser.

So the lawyer was going overboard ?

The lawyer may have been going overboard,

Cheers





Booker