Coronavirus

[Fradi]

Update Yesterday in USA

total 15 468 591 cases 289 529
24 hr. + 218 473 deaths + 3 053

Yes we did the best job

How come you seem to be perfectly ok with what is happening in your own back yard.
You never complain about Legault or Aruda even when the numbers are almost identical to the US.
You don’t see anything wrong with that?

 

[gaby]

Effectivement la situation n'est pas rose ici même au Québec....MAIS nous avons un PM et une équipe de direction présentes quotidiennement sur les médias et qui ne cessent de rappeler l'importance de RESPECTER LES CONSIGNES SANITAIRES et exprimer de la COMPASSION pour ceux qui sont touchés.....FOR ME c'est une différence majeure......et du LEADERSHIP ABSOLUMENT nécessaire en période de crise.

 

[IamNY]

In NY we have our governor and mayor holding daily press conferences and our infection rate is still on the incline. The states around us, New Jersey and Connecticut are far worse and their constituents hear from them daily as well. We can blame Trump for screwing this up back in March, I wouldn’t, but I would understand why someone would. But, at this point other than adhering to the CDC guidelines what are Americans supposed to? It is what it is, we have to ride this out and get vaccinated when it’s approved.

 

[Fradi]

Ok and all this nice talk what are the results.
A shit load of people dying, the same crap going on in CHSLD that was during the first wave.
So as long as they say things with emotion shed a few appropriate tears for the dying all is good.
The results of the leadership however are just as piss poor as in the US, yet all of you are busy blaming the big Orange and turn a blind eye to your own.
You can see relatives during Christamas, No wait you can’t do that. You can teach 30 kids in school who were wearing no masks for many weeks, you can be with teachers in the staff room, but if you invite one of those teachers to your home after you are liable to. a $1000 fine.
Give me a fucking break this is leadership for you.

 

[IamNY]

These emergency alerts in Quebec are something that I haven't seen here in the states yet:

Quebec issues emergency alert to remind Gatineau residents of public health guidelines in COVID-19 red zone

An emergency alert issued to Gatineau residents on Wednesday afternoon said, a "public health emergency in effect."

ottawa.ctvnews.ca

 

[gaby]

Yep.....and without it....j'ose à peine imaginer dans quelle situation encore plus tragique on se retrouverait.....and relax....just take a break .

 

[Fradi]

^^^
What is tragic and you can play this game of words all you like is that in the end it depends on the people themselves.
A perfect example is Quebec and the US which have almost identical figures of death per million population which is what really counts.
You can say all the right things do all the right things if people ignore it, it won’t work.
You can cut and paste and blame Trump all you like but you cannot manipulate the figures and the number of deaths they don’t give a shit about your prejudice and hatred of Trump.

What none of you want to admit or give credit for is that the big Orange for all his faults and fuck ups and being a total ego maniac and asshole as a humane being did in the end pump billions into vaccine research, introduced warp speed and removed all the red tape and obstacles to have at least two viable vaccines available by year end.
This is the only thing that will end this nightmare that we have been living otherwise there would be no end to this some countries would have better results in the beginning but would eventually have the virus overrun them anyway.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^ Up 3...All about control. This cure all vaccine was not even tested on people over 80 who are the ones who need it the most. Sad that using hindsight the fucking morons still revert back the the beginning of all this.

 

[gaby]

...if people ignore it, it won't work......leaving HERE you know ALL people are wearing masks dans les places et transports publics...and try to keep distanciation even if it's not always easy to do so.....if they don't do so they will now receive des contraventions......ce sont des directives claires des AUTORITÉS qui sont largement observées.....and a majority----even if it's not pleasant---agree with.
Malheureusement la plupart des éclosions proviennent de lieux clos......travail--écoles -résidences pour aînés--endroits difficiles à gérer....MAIS la majorité observe aussi le confinement à la maison--accepte de s'isoler et ne voir ni famille ni ami.....obéissant toujours aux directives des autorités politiques et sanitaires....ALORS TOUT CELA POUR DIRE QU'IL EST COMPLÈTEMENT FAUX DE DIRE QUE....PEOPLE IGNORE IT...

 

[Fradi]

..ALORS TOUT CELA POUR DIRE QU'IL EST COMPLÈTEMENT FAUX DE DIRE QUE....PEOPLE IGNORE IT...

What you are ignoring is reality.
Ok I agree with you most people are wearing masks.
Amount of people dying in Quebec per million of population is still identical to US.
What does that tell you, of course blame fucking Trump, now why didn’t I think of that, nothing could be simpler.

 

[hormone]

^^^
A perfect example is Quebec and the US which have almost identical figures of death per million population which is what really counts.

You can cut and paste and blame Trump all you like but you cannot manipulate the figures and the number of deaths they don’t give a shit about your prejudice and hatred of Trump.

What none of you want to admit or give credit for is that the big Orange for all his faults and fuck ups and being a total ego maniac and asshole as a humane being did in the end pump billions into vaccine research, introduced warp speed and removed all the red tape and obstacles to have at least two viable vaccines available by year end.
This is the only thing that will end this nightmare that we have been living otherwise there would be no end to this some countries would have better results in the beginning but would eventually have the virus overrun them anyway.

Well to be exact we cannot compare Québec and the US in all fairness. You could compare Québec to one or many US state(s) that would be better , but not to the whole country. If you want the whole country, you need to comapare Canada to the US.
Health issues and how people follow or don't follow public health (PH) recommendations (recs) is more closely related to state/ province than to the national country level- by legislation and emergency measures. Various states/ provinces have various PH recs and also people have various group atittudes to the virus... Obviously as the pandemic continues to spread, regional differences are abating. But clearly the neglect / failure to take proper measures in some parts of the world has been the source of the perpetuation of this thing.
Yes, it's good that Trump pumped money into vax research (no matter the fundamental reason why he did it...) but currently he is simply doing... nothing! Eyes wide shut.
And yes, indeed the vax is truly the only thing that will eventually end this whole mess... Unless too many people refuse to take it...

 

[hormone]

Amount of people dying in Quebec per million of population is still identical to US.
What does that tell you,

This tells you that Québec is pretty bad in its management of the pandemic!!
Now, as I said, let's compare Québec to some US States on an individual basis and let's see which one is worse off (and obviously if you pick Vermont, well... I would love to be in Vermont!! ) But if you pick North or South Dakota, well you are above 120 deaths per 100 000 people. Québec hovers around 90. New York State is 180, Nw Jersey is just shy of 200...
So as you can see, one cannot simply compare Québec and the whole US....

 

[Fradi]

If you want to break it down to hundreds of different things then you can not compare any country to another.
You can however compare simply things like death per million of population which is a good indication.
Now for sure I could pick out the worst state in the US and then Quebec would look better, I chose not to to make a point to people who do nothing else except cut and paste and have an obsession with Trump while they ignore and turn a blind eye to what is happening in their own back yard.
You can say what ever you like, Quebec alone accounts for more deaths than all the other provinces combined in Canada so if that doesn’t tell you something I don’t know what will.


I do agree that the only way out is with a vaccine and so far Trump apart from the scientists who developed these vaccines has done more to benefit us than any other politician.

 

[IamNY]

No surprise here, FDA approves emergency use of Pfizer vaccine:

FDA panel recommends approval of Pfizer's Covid vaccine for emergency use

If the FDA adopts the recommendation it would mark a pivotal moment in the Covid-19 pandemic, which has killed roughly 290,000 in the U.S. in less than a year.

www.cnbc.com

 

[The Nature Boy]

It would be nice if any of the brothers and sisters in “health care” who receive the vaccine could come tell us how it goes....

 

[Zaeballo]

No surprise here, FDA approves emergency use of Pfizer vaccin

Not yet, it is FDA Advisory Panel that approved it.

 

[IamNY]

Not yet, it is FDA Advisory Panel that approved it.

I stand corrected. Give it a few more minutes.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Leadership is all about telling the truth. Leadership is about explaining the situation based on facts and admitting we know so little about how this virus is spreading. But a lot of people, we can read them in this forum, do not care about the truth. We can cure ignorance buy education. We can bring a horse to the water but we can't force it to drink. Dishonesty is the worst. People who can't face the truth so they can try to save their asses by lying as the republicans in the US senate now.

Trump is still denying the COVID situation preferring to claim that he doesn't know what is QANON... It may be true as he is an ignorant and so are a bunch of people in USA and unfortunately in almost all countries. He pretends to protect americans by signing a useless executive order preventing production centers in US to deliver vaccines outside US. So ignorant... Here in Canada, the Pfizer vaccine is produced in Belgium and the Moderna one is produced in Switzerland. And he probably doesn't even know those countries are in Europe. In fact a lot of his followers think Europe is a country...

 

[Zaeballo]

Leadership is all about telling the truth. Leadership is about explaining the situation based on facts

Good to know that leadership is all about talking and doing nothing. Thank you for setting the record straight.

 

[IamNY]

This just announced:

FDA to grant emergency use authorization for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine: HHS

Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine will be approved for use in the US by the FDA — and vaccinations could begin as early as Monday, Alex Azar said.

nypost.com