Euphoria agency in the news
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Je vais te répondre en français because my English is bad :/Honestly I feel like they are just trying to scare people. It is serious and honestly I'm considering getting this account deleted.Or even moving out of Montreal.
But they already had 50 officers, 15 more is a substantial addition but not a huge one... They also said they were still mostly targeting minors.
The police knows that if they shut down agencies and parlors and if they make it unsafe for everyone to work, a lot of women will be back on the street, or will face the possibility of being victimized further. They don't want that. Not because they particularly care about us and our future, but because it's a disturbance for people.
Personally this is my livelihood. These people would prefer someone like me to work minimum wage at Mcdonalds. They make it sound like there are resources for people who want to get out of this business, but that isn't true. There are resources that are supposed to help unemployed people, but all they can do is help you make a CV and browse job offers with you. Also most of us don't want to "downgrade". Some people here who hate indies think this is going to be better for us but that isn't the truth. Also right now, the market is really tough for indies in Montreal. For those of us who don't have other viable options, the idea of working for a massage parlor or an agency can exist as a safety net.
Je ne pense pas qu'ils veulent faire peur au monde mais je pense plutôt qu'ils n'avaient pas le choix de réagir fasse a la situation. Comme tu le dis, cest 15 de plus et cela porte surtout sur l'encadrement des mineurs. Si ils n'avaient pas bouger, peut-être que là ca aurait fait encore plus de bruits. En tant que clients, je suis plutôt -charmé- par l'idée qu'il y aille plus de protection. Encore là, je suis client et vous etes courtisanes donc nous ne voyons pas la situation de la meme façon.
De plus, je ne suis pas certain de l'impact sur les indies (quoique selon ce que j'ai vu ici, les agences sont beaucoup plus appréciées).
Si les autres agences n'ont rien a se reprocher, je ne vois pas pourquoi vos métiers seraient en jeu. Faut pas punir tout le monde pour une mauvaise entreprise.
Honestly I don't know anybody who is talking about this except people who are in the industry. Literally, no one cares. Nobody watches TV anymore. No family member or friend contacted me to discuss this.
« Les mineurs rapportent le plus d’argent »
Les jeunes filles mineures seraient de plus en plus recherchées à Montréal par des clients souhaitant acheter des services sexuels, a appris Enquête.ici.radio-canada.ca
Clever sleights of hand throughout the article. Consider how the article is laid out, paragraph by paragraph:
-Young girls are the most popular
-Creepy clients want girls who look underage
-A person the article identifies as a former escort and agency booker says agency bosses don't check the girls' ages and just make them up
-An expert criminologist says you can get 12 and 13 year old sex trafficked girls with a few clicks in Canada
Wouldn't a reasonable reader conclude that the so-called luxury escort agencies are the ones trafficking these underage girls? Sure, they mention Leolist and pimps who target at risk youth further down in the article, but a clear effort is made to associate the former with the latter.
This is a well done campaign against the escort industry, and the police respond to public outrage. I expect a crackdown in the not too distant future.
A lot of these statements that are made are half truths.
I think yeah there are creepy clients who like it when you look underage and vulnerable, but to say that this is the majority of clients is a lie.. There is a specific type of client who look for that type of girls, and I think that as a society we are still convinced that women are considered the most attractive to men when they are extremely young, when that is actually not so true.. I see people looking for milfs a lot. Among the SW'rs I know it's not necessarily the youngest ones that are the most popular..
I think it's possibly true that some agency bosses don't check the girls age and that is a real problem. I think some women don't want to reveal their identity to their bosses honestly.. because they're afraid. But they should definitely check if there's a possibility of the person being underage.
I think that yeah it's true that there are super young girls who are trafficked. That's a reality.. but are they advertised as such? Probably not. It's easier for pimps to target children because they are easier to mold and manipulate. It's pretty well known that some pimps hang out around places like ''centres jeunesse'' etc. But no client in their right mind would click on an ad that advertises a girl as being underage LOL that's not even a possibility on ad websites.
Ils n'ont pas le choix de réagir à la situation pas à cause de cet épisode de ''Enquête'' mais probablement par rapport à ce qui est arrivé avec XO.
Je suis vraiment troublée et déçue par ces journalistes. Ils ont fait plusieurs fautes éthiques selon moi. On savait qu'il voulait faire un reportage sur les agences, mais ça n'avait pas l'air sérieux.. Aussi montrer les photos des filles, nommer les agences, montrer les incall.. C'est terrible. J'espère qu'ils n'iront pas plus loin. C'est facile pour n'importe qui de trouver des agences d'escorte mais en général à moins d'être un client tu ne te réveille pas avec l'idée de faire des recherches sur les escortes.
Comme je le disais plus tôt ça ne change rien qu'on soit indy ou qu'on travaille pour une agence. Ces interventions n'empêchent pas les mauvais clients de venir nous voir.. Justement c'est les bons qui se questionnent. En général les bons clients ne vont pas voir des filles qui ont l'air des mineures, désolée. Il n'y a rien qui garanti que tu va pouvoir rester indy et continuer de faire de l'argent. Comme je disais plus tôt, depuis le dévoilement de l'affaire XO, j'ai remarqué que j'ai moins de clients... J'ai aussi moins de clients Américains à cause de l'économie et la situation politique, alors que j'en avais beaucoup avant surtout l'été.
En ce moment j'apprécie beaucoup mon expérience de retour en salon de massage parce que je ressens beaucoup moins de pression, pour plein de raisons différentes. Je ne veux pas perdre cette possibilité. Je ne suis pas la seule personne qui ressens ça. L'option d'avoir des endroits ou travailler est importante pour plusieurs personnes. Certaines personnes peuvent quitter l'industrie ou voir baisser leurs revenus car elles ont un emploi ''vanille'' convenablement payé, mais ce n'est pas le cas pour tout le monde. C'est une question de survie et de qualité de vie pour plusieurs.
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Je suis un bon client et ZERO questionnement ou peur. Si je sais qui je vois et je n'ai rien à me reprocher, je vais continuer à voir des filles. Comme tu l'as dit pour les mineurs ou filles jeunes, c'est une minime parti des clients qui ont ce penchant là. Au même principe que d'autres fétiches mais la différence c'est que c'est illégal. Mais pour le reportage, c'est sûr qu'ils sont allé dans le côté sombre. 99% des rencontres sont entre 2 personnes consentantes et les 2 parties sont bien contente. J'étais pas au courant de l'affaire XO donc avec Euphoria ca fait 2 gros bateaux qui coulent en 1 ans, c'est certain que c'est préoccupant pour vous autres les courtisanes saines. Reste à voir ce qui va se passer dans les prochaines semaines. Tu viendras t'installer à Québec!
Je comprends, mais ce n'est pas tout le monde qui pense comme toi. J'ai eu beaucoup de clients qui m'ont parlé de leurs questionnements par rapport à l'industrie, dont plusieurs personnes qui ne voulaient plus fréquenter les agences.. Je ne vois presque plus de clients qui ne sont pas sur Merb. Il y a un désillusionnement général par rapport à tout ça que je ressens en ce moment. Ça fait que beaucoup d'anciens clients ne voient qu'une ou deux escortes. Ou les clients qui ne veulent pas faire de screening vont dans les salons..
Their man concern has always been minors, most of their effective is working on bringing down minor trafficking. When they can, they investigate legit places like agencies and spas which is why you were under the impression that those places were intouchable.
They’re just not hiring minors so their at the very bottom of that team’s list
With 15 new people, an investigation on national tv and a few news articles, they’ll move a little quicker. If they don’t, the public eye will be very harsh and lose trust
The public eye in this case is Monsieur madame tout le monde who’s never been an escort or hired one. All they know about the industry, they’ve learned it last Thursday while watching Enquête
They’re just not hiring minors so their at the very bottom of that team’s list
With 15 new people, an investigation on national tv and a few news articles, they’ll move a little quicker. If they don’t, the public eye will be very harsh and lose trust
The public eye in this case is Monsieur madame tout le monde who’s never been an escort or hired one. All they know about the industry, they’ve learned it last Thursday while watching Enquête
I seen Reddit threads about it. Peoples are definately talking and TLMEP is a huge show. If Enquete was not enough, this is certainly it.
Don't forget that "activism" is a huge trend these days for better or for worst. We live in a world of "influencers" and any person can say anything online. Be it true or not.
Simple minds are easily manipulated.
This would mean A LOT of work for very small results. Have you ever heard of a drug bust not involving actual drug trafficking? I mean i never seen the police track downs clients who bough a bag of coke 6 months ago.
The "fardeau de la preuve" wouldn't stand in court.
But could this mean more stings operation? That is possible.
Ah, et c'est tout à fait normal. Ca bouille à Montréal présentement. Je ne peux pas comprendre ce qui se passe sur le terrain. Ici, à Québec, c'est une situation bien différente. Mais ca reste que je vois toujours la même courtisane question de sécurité et de questionnement justement
Est-ce que les prix peuvent avoir un lien aussi? Ce n'est pas impossible. Après, c'est toujours une question personnelle. Je comprends que le problème semble venir du INCALL alors que j'ai toujours pensé que le OUTCALL était plus dangereux. Mais, effectivement, si je serais à montréal en ce moment, je laisserais les choses retomber avant de voir une courtisane autant en salon que agence. Bien à toi très chere
Arrest you for what? There have no proofs you had sexual activities. Some people booked girls for talking or cuddling only. Everyone needs are different.They have nothing against you. You can chill my friend
Il faut aussi faire la différence entre les "preuves médiatiques" et celles admissibles par une cour, pour l'instant il y un grand déballement de "révélations" pas vraiment nouvelles d'ailleurs, est ce que ça peut mener à des arrestations? Peut être, mais il faudrait que les preuves et les accusations soient solides et comme disait @LC18 le trafic des mineurs reste la priorité première. Accessoirement la prostitution est aussi vieille que l'humanité et ce n'est pas en supprimant les agances qu'elle disparaitra. Je parle à travers mon chapeau mais j'imaginerai que les autorités préfèrent une activité, certes illégale mais relativement facile à surveiller sur le web, que le retour vers des réseaux souterrains totalement controlés par le crime organisé.
La suite des évènements va surtout dépendre de l'influence de l'opinion suite aux différents reportages et, pour l'instant on n'en sait pas grand chose.
La suite des évènements va surtout dépendre de l'influence de l'opinion suite aux différents reportages et, pour l'instant on n'en sait pas grand chose.
If it turns out these agencies employed many underage girls, then yeah, it could happen. Otherwise, they'll go after the owners.
Probably worth reposting for those who have not watched yesterday's Tout le Monde En Parle segment:
ici.radio-canada.ca
It's a shame that the voices are so limited - someone with recent relevant experience, like @Ariel18 (Victoria) would be a valuable voice to add to a segment like that (not saying she'd want to, obviously, but someone in a similar position). This whole thing is completely lacking any nuance whatsoever - but that's common these days.
Enquête sur l’exploitation sexuelle dans les agences d’escorte de luxe
Le journaliste Romain Schué parle de son reportage à l'émission Enquête en compagnie de Clémentine.
ici.radio-canada.ca
It's a shame that the voices are so limited - someone with recent relevant experience, like @Ariel18 (Victoria) would be a valuable voice to add to a segment like that (not saying she'd want to, obviously, but someone in a similar position). This whole thing is completely lacking any nuance whatsoever - but that's common these days.
Haha they're all going down. I guess they can move certain volumes of money but past a certain limit they become a problem. In this kind of business better be discreet.
For clients or providers? Honestly i think both have their + and their - in term of security. Also depend on the location. An outcall in a classy hotel seem more secure than at a private residence or a motel. At least at first glance. For a client hosting in a hotel also seem more secure than going at an incall location. But if an SP suddenly lost it (because intoxicated or whatever) it can kill the discreet side. The risks are never 0 in any scenarios imo but the consensus was that major agencies were safe for both clients and providers. Now if agencies for whatever reasons didn't do enough for the providers, its on them. As a client tough i knew if i was going to Euphoria's place that i wouldn't be robbed, assaulted etc.
I know some will laugh at this, and maybe it is irrealistic, but before i became "used to how it work" my tought was always that there was a guy nearby to make sure things would be smooth. Either in another unit beside, just outside close, maybe even in the corridor. Or when it comes to outcall someone would stay in the car nearby. I also expected a "panic button" as April Rose talked about in her text. Obviously my nature would always be to respect the SPs so its irrelevant to ME specifically, but i expected that there would be bad clients and SPs had to be safe. I was surprised at first it was not the case. But then i learned about the financial aspect it would cost (imagine one driver per escort outcall, the cost would be a lot more because nobody would wait an hour for a 20...) and i learned that such incidents were indeed rare.
Indies now have decided to use more the "information route" (trough screening) rather than actual muscle on location if something bad happened on the spot. It can obviously be a deterrent because you know if you screw up, you would face severe consequences. But this mean there is always some kind of risk if someone snap or such.
What im trying to say is the risk is never zero, but there is ways to dismish it.
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