Euphoria agency in the news

[Lunaseraphim]

Honestly I feel like they are just trying to scare people. It is serious and honestly I'm considering getting this account deleted. Or even moving out of Montreal.

But they already had 50 officers, 15 more is a substantial addition but not a huge one... They also said they were still mostly targeting minors.
The police knows that if they shut down agencies and parlors and if they make it unsafe for everyone to work, a lot of women will be back on the street, or will face the possibility of being victimized further. They don't want that. Not because they particularly care about us and our future, but because it's a disturbance for people.

Personally this is my livelihood. These people would prefer someone like me to work minimum wage at Mcdonalds. They make it sound like there are resources for people who want to get out of this business, but that isn't true. There are resources that are supposed to help unemployed people, but all they can do is help you make a CV and browse job offers with you. Also most of us don't want to "downgrade". Some people here who hate indies think this is going to be better for us but that isn't the truth. Also right now, the market is really tough for indies in Montreal. For those of us who don't have other viable options, the idea of working for a massage parlor or an agency can exist as a safety net.

 

[Misfortune Teller]

What she said was pretty clear …

Fair enough.

 

[marcandre13]

Honestly I feel like they are just trying to scare people. It is serious and honestly I'm considering getting this account deleted. Or even moving out of Montreal.

But they already had 50 officers, 15 more is a substantial addition but not a huge one... They also said they were still mostly targeting minors.
The police knows that if they shut down agencies and parlors and if they make it unsafe for everyone to work, a lot of women will be back on the street, or will face the possibility of being victimized further. They don't want that. Not because they particularly care about us and our future, but because it's a disturbance for people.

Personally this is my livelihood. These people would prefer someone like me to work minimum wage at Mcdonalds. They make it sound like there are resources for people who want to get out of this business, but that isn't true. There are resources that are supposed to help unemployed people, but all they can do is help you make a CV and browse job offers with you. Also most of us don't want to "downgrade". Some people here who hate indies think this is going to be better for us but that isn't the truth. Also right now, the market is really tough for indies in Montreal. For those of us who don't have other viable options, the idea of working for a massage parlor or an agency can exist as a safety net.

Je vais te répondre en français because my English is bad :/
Je ne pense pas qu'ils veulent faire peur au monde mais je pense plutôt qu'ils n'avaient pas le choix de réagir fasse a la situation. Comme tu le dis, cest 15 de plus et cela porte surtout sur l'encadrement des mineurs. Si ils n'avaient pas bouger, peut-être que là ca aurait fait encore plus de bruits. En tant que clients, je suis plutôt -charmé- par l'idée qu'il y aille plus de protection. Encore là, je suis client et vous etes courtisanes donc nous ne voyons pas la situation de la meme façon.
De plus, je ne suis pas certain de l'impact sur les indies (quoique selon ce que j'ai vu ici, les agences sont beaucoup plus appréciées).
Si les autres agences n'ont rien a se reprocher, je ne vois pas pourquoi vos métiers seraient en jeu. Faut pas punir tout le monde pour une mauvaise entreprise.

 

[kevinsmith]

Yes, I know it’s monitored. I’m just sharing this for the people here who may not know.

I think this thread can be closed
What do

Of course it is lol. The Agencies are directly touched and the media is surely happy about the visibility and and they trying to gather as much as infos as they can.

On a side note Sonia Von Sacher posted a serie of stories on her insta about it and she explain why it took her longer to do so. It was interesting.

Also even tough Forever seem open, they didn't posted on Merb today? (Edit : they just did)

If you didn't write it, they would have never posted

 

[Lunaseraphim]

« Les mineurs rapportent le plus d’argent »

Les jeunes filles mineures seraient de plus en plus recherchées à Montréal par des clients souhaitant acheter des services sexuels, a appris Enquête.

ici.radio-canada.ca

Clever sleights of hand throughout the article. Consider how the article is laid out, paragraph by paragraph:

-Young girls are the most popular
-Creepy clients want girls who look underage
-A person the article identifies as a former escort and agency booker says agency bosses don't check the girls' ages and just make them up
-An expert criminologist says you can get 12 and 13 year old sex trafficked girls with a few clicks in Canada

Wouldn't a reasonable reader conclude that the so-called luxury escort agencies are the ones trafficking these underage girls? Sure, they mention Leolist and pimps who target at risk youth further down in the article, but a clear effort is made to associate the former with the latter.

This is a well done campaign against the escort industry, and the police respond to public outrage. I expect a crackdown in the not too distant future.

Honestly I don't know anybody who is talking about this except people who are in the industry. Literally, no one cares. Nobody watches TV anymore. No family member or friend contacted me to discuss this.

A lot of these statements that are made are half truths.

I think yeah there are creepy clients who like it when you look underage and vulnerable, but to say that this is the majority of clients is a lie.. There is a specific type of client who look for that type of girls, and I think that as a society we are still convinced that women are considered the most attractive to men when they are extremely young, when that is actually not so true.. I see people looking for milfs a lot. Among the SW'rs I know it's not necessarily the youngest ones that are the most popular..

I think it's possibly true that some agency bosses don't check the girls age and that is a real problem. I think some women don't want to reveal their identity to their bosses honestly.. because they're afraid. But they should definitely check if there's a possibility of the person being underage.

I think that yeah it's true that there are super young girls who are trafficked. That's a reality.. but are they advertised as such? Probably not. It's easier for pimps to target children because they are easier to mold and manipulate. It's pretty well known that some pimps hang out around places like ''centres jeunesse'' etc. But no client in their right mind would click on an ad that advertises a girl as being underage LOL that's not even a possibility on ad websites.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Je vais te répondre en français because my English is bad :/
Je ne pense pas qu'ils veulent faire peur au monde mais je pense plutôt qu'ils n'avaient pas le choix de réagir fasse a la situation. Comme tu le dis, cest 15 de plus et cela porte surtout sur l'encadrement des mineurs. Si ils n'avaient pas bouger, peut-être que là ca aurait fait encore plus de bruits. En tant que clients, je suis plutôt -charmé- par l'idée qu'il y aille plus de protection. Encore là, je suis client et vous etes courtisanes donc nous ne voyons pas la situation de la meme façon.
De plus, je ne suis pas certain de l'impact sur les indies (quoique selon ce que j'ai vu ici, les agences sont beaucoup plus appréciées).
Si les autres agences n'ont rien a se reprocher, je ne vois pas pourquoi vos métiers seraient en jeu. Faut pas punir tout le monde pour une mauvaise entreprise.

Ils n'ont pas le choix de réagir à la situation pas à cause de cet épisode de ''Enquête'' mais probablement par rapport à ce qui est arrivé avec XO.

Je suis vraiment troublée et déçue par ces journalistes. Ils ont fait plusieurs fautes éthiques selon moi. On savait qu'il voulait faire un reportage sur les agences, mais ça n'avait pas l'air sérieux.. Aussi montrer les photos des filles, nommer les agences, montrer les incall.. C'est terrible. J'espère qu'ils n'iront pas plus loin. C'est facile pour n'importe qui de trouver des agences d'escorte mais en général à moins d'être un client tu ne te réveille pas avec l'idée de faire des recherches sur les escortes.

Comme je le disais plus tôt ça ne change rien qu'on soit indy ou qu'on travaille pour une agence. Ces interventions n'empêchent pas les mauvais clients de venir nous voir.. Justement c'est les bons qui se questionnent. En général les bons clients ne vont pas voir des filles qui ont l'air des mineures, désolée. Il n'y a rien qui garanti que tu va pouvoir rester indy et continuer de faire de l'argent. Comme je disais plus tôt, depuis le dévoilement de l'affaire XO, j'ai remarqué que j'ai moins de clients... J'ai aussi moins de clients Américains à cause de l'économie et la situation politique, alors que j'en avais beaucoup avant surtout l'été.

En ce moment j'apprécie beaucoup mon expérience de retour en salon de massage parce que je ressens beaucoup moins de pression, pour plein de raisons différentes. Je ne veux pas perdre cette possibilité. Je ne suis pas la seule personne qui ressens ça. L'option d'avoir des endroits ou travailler est importante pour plusieurs personnes. Certaines personnes peuvent quitter l'industrie ou voir baisser leurs revenus car elles ont un emploi ''vanille'' convenablement payé, mais ce n'est pas le cas pour tout le monde. C'est une question de survie et de qualité de vie pour plusieurs.

 

[secretlover7529]

Ils n'ont pas le choix de réagir à la situation pas à cause de cet épisode de ''Enquête'' mais probablement par rapport à ce qui est arrivé avec XO.

Je suis vraiment troublée et déçue par ces journalistes. Ils ont fait plusieurs fautes éthiques selon moi. On savait qu'il voulait faire un reportage sur les agences, mais ça n'avait pas l'air sérieux.. Aussi montrer les photos des filles, nommer les agences, montrer les incall.. C'est terrible. J'espère qu'ils n'iront pas plus loin. C'est facile pour n'importe qui de trouver des agences d'escorte mais en général à moins d'être un client tu ne te réveille pas avec l'idée de faire des recherches sur les escortes.

Comme je le disais plus tôt ça ne change rien qu'on soit indy ou qu'on travaille pour une agence. Ces interventions n'empêchent pas les mauvais clients de venir nous voir.. Justement c'est les bons qui se questionnent. En général les bons clients ne vont pas voir des filles qui ont l'air des mineures, désolée. Il n'y a rien qui garanti que tu va pouvoir rester indy et continuer de faire de l'argent. Comme je disais plus tôt, depuis le dévoilement de l'affaire XO, j'ai remarqué que j'ai moins de clients... J'ai aussi moins de clients Américains à cause de l'économie et la situation politique, alors que j'en avais beaucoup avant surtout l'été.

En ce moment j'apprécie beaucoup mon expérience de retour en salon de massage parce que je ressens beaucoup moins de pression, pour plein de raisons différentes. Je ne veux pas perdre cette possibilité. Je ne suis pas la seule personne qui ressens ça. L'option d'avoir des endroits ou travailler est importante pour plusieurs personnes. Certaines personnes peuvent quitter l'industrie ou voir baisser leurs revenus car elles ont un emploi ''vanille'' convenablement payé, mais ce n'est pas le cas pour tout le monde. C'est une question de survie et de qualité de vie pour plusieurs.

They are actively investigating Forever and in the reportage they made it clear that they knew someone from XO contributed to making the agency forever escorts. I think that tells us about what they are planning to do next.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

From what I heard they are actively investigating Forever and in the reportage they made it clear that they knew someone from XO contributed to making forever. I think that tells us about what they are planning to do next.

Yeah, but to think that the police didn't know about those agencies, who owns them, etc is a bit naive..

 

[Ariel18 (Victoria)]

They are actively investigating Forever and in the reportage they made it clear that they knew someone from XO contributed to making the agency forever escorts. I think that tells us about what they are planning to do next.

What do you mean « actively investigating »?
I am sorry but these kinds of fast conclusions are juste spreading the fear out of thin air.
It was easy to name Forever in the reportage, because it is one of the last « known » agencies with incalls. People are reading too much into this.

To me, it’s a fear campaign.
Let’s work, be normal, continue to be good citizens of the weird world and let’s not fall into premises that are made from a reportage that we all know was half-assed.

 

[secretlover7529]

Honestly I don't know anybody who is talking about this except people who are in the industry. Literally, no one cares. Nobody watches TV anymore. No family member or friend contacted me to discuss this.

A lot of these statements that are made are half truths.

I think yeah there are creepy clients who like it when you look underage and vulnerable, but to say that this is the majority of clients is a lie.. There is a specific type of client who look for that type of girls, and I think that as a society we are still convinced that women are considered the most attractive to men when they are extremely young, when that is actually not so true.. I see people looking for milfs a lot. Among the SW'rs I know it's not necessarily the youngest ones that are the most popular..

I think it's possibly true that some agency bosses don't check the girls age and that is a real problem. I think some women don't want to reveal their identity to their bosses honestly.. because they're afraid. But they should definitely check if there's a possibility of the person being underage.

I think that yeah it's true that there are super young girls who are trafficked. That's a reality.. but are they advertised as such? Probably not. It's easier for pimps to target children because they are easier to mold and manipulate. It's pretty well known that some pimps hang out around places like ''centres jeunesse'' etc. But no client in their right mind would click on an ad that advertises a girl as being underage LOL that's not even a possibility on ad websites.

In fact, many people in my circle have read the La Presse article on this industry. For many, it was an eye-opener, revealing just how significant this line of work is in Montreal. People who had little or no awareness of its prominence are now taking notice and I believe this newfound awareness will inspire many to look deeper, ask questions

 

[megakev]

on what basis do you make that statement?

I mean, yeah, the mps are being watched by the spvm special unit, but they always have, as well as the agencies. Unless you are referring to a "Enquete" style report where they infiltrate the mps to show what goes on in there.

MPs are now agencies disguised as "massage salons". It's a ticking time bomb until they also get exposed, it's too good to be true.

 

[secretlover7529]

What do you mean « actively investigating »?
I am sorry but these kinds of fast conclusions are juste spreading the fear out of thin air.
It was easy to name Forever in the reportage, because it is one of the last « known » agencies with incalls. People are reading too much into this.

To me, it’s a fear campaign.
Let’s work, be normal, continue to be good citizens of the weird world and let’s not fall into premises that are made from a reportage that we all know was half-assed.

I have a credible source to support my claims, so dismissing this as fearmongering is simply unwarranted. I understand that some people would rather remain in denial than confront uncomfortable realities, but refusing to acknowledge something doesn't make it any less true. Unfortunately, facts don't change simply because they are difficult to accept. In fact, one of Forever escorts booker has reportedly stepped back amid allegations that she is facing charges. Dismissing these concerns as fearmongering when the situation is potentially this serious is deeply concerning. These are not matters that should be brushed aside without consideration. At the very least, the allegations warrant attention and should be approached with the seriousness they deserve.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

In fact, many people in my circle have read the La Presse article on this industry. For many, it was an eye-opener, revealing just how significant this line of work is in Montreal. People who had little or no awareness of its prominence are now taking notice and I believe this newfound awareness will inspire many to look deeper, ask questions

Articles on the industry in La Presse and other newspapers are very common in Montreal.. Literally every year almost around the F1 they talk about this. Montreal is known worldwide for it's sex industry.. It's also naive to think that most people aren't aware of this. Most people know what an escort agency is. Several cult books, magazine articles etc have been published about this industry over the years.

---

Massage parlors are not escort agencies. They don't function the same way at all. Don't say something that isn't true here.

 

[marcandre13]

Ils n'ont pas le choix de réagir à la situation pas à cause de cet épisode de ''Enquête'' mais probablement par rapport à ce qui est arrivé avec XO.

Je suis vraiment troublée et déçue par ces journalistes. Ils ont fait plusieurs fautes éthiques selon moi. On savait qu'il voulait faire un reportage sur les agences, mais ça n'avait pas l'air sérieux.. Aussi montrer les photos des filles, nommer les agences, montrer les incall.. C'est terrible. J'espère qu'ils n'iront pas plus loin. C'est facile pour n'importe qui de trouver des agences d'escorte mais en général à moins d'être un client tu ne te réveille pas avec l'idée de faire des recherches sur les escortes.

Comme je le disais plus tôt ça ne change rien qu'on soit indy ou qu'on travaille pour une agence. Ces interventions n'empêchent pas les mauvais clients de venir nous voir.. Justement c'est les bons qui se questionnent. En général les bons clients ne vont pas voir des filles qui ont l'air des mineures, désolée. Il n'y a rien qui garanti que tu va pouvoir rester indy et continuer de faire de l'argent. Comme je disais plus tôt, depuis le dévoilement de l'affaire XO, j'ai remarqué que j'ai moins de clients... J'ai aussi moins de clients Américains à cause de l'économie et la situation politique, alors que j'en avais beaucoup avant surtout l'été.

En ce moment j'apprécie beaucoup mon expérience de retour en salon de massage parce que je ressens beaucoup moins de pression, pour plein de raisons différentes. Je ne veux pas perdre cette possibilité. Je ne suis pas la seule personne qui ressens ça. L'option d'avoir des endroits ou travailler est importante pour plusieurs personnes. Certaines personnes peuvent quitter l'industrie ou voir baisser leurs revenus car elles ont un emploi ''vanille'' convenablement payé, mais ce n'est pas le cas pour tout le monde. C'est une question de survie et de qualité de vie pour plusieurs.

Je suis un bon client et ZERO questionnement ou peur. Si je sais qui je vois et je n'ai rien à me reprocher, je vais continuer à voir des filles. Comme tu l'as dit pour les mineurs ou filles jeunes, c'est une minime parti des clients qui ont ce penchant là. Au même principe que d'autres fétiches mais la différence c'est que c'est illégal. Mais pour le reportage, c'est sûr qu'ils sont allé dans le côté sombre. 99% des rencontres sont entre 2 personnes consentantes et les 2 parties sont bien contente. J'étais pas au courant de l'affaire XO donc avec Euphoria ca fait 2 gros bateaux qui coulent en 1 ans, c'est certain que c'est préoccupant pour vous autres les courtisanes saines. Reste à voir ce qui va se passer dans les prochaines semaines. Tu viendras t'installer à Québec!

 

[Ariel18 (Victoria)]

I have a credible source to support my claims, so dismissing this as fearmongering is simply unwarranted. I understand that some people would rather remain in denial than confront uncomfortable realities, but refusing to acknowledge something doesn't make it any less true. Unfortunately, facts don't change simply because they are difficult to accept.

This stops being a discussion the moment we start making sweeping assumptions that people who disagree are simply in denial and refusing to face reality. Maybe I’m naive, but yes, I do hope I’ll be able to keep working.

We probably have different sources, because the messages and information I’m receiving are quite different from what you’re describing.

By the way, I’m sorry to hear that Euphoria has closed. I hope you’ll be okay!

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Je suis un bon client et ZERO questionnement ou peur. Si je sais qui je vois et je n'ai rien à me reprocher

Je comprends, mais ce n'est pas tout le monde qui pense comme toi. J'ai eu beaucoup de clients qui m'ont parlé de leurs questionnements par rapport à l'industrie, dont plusieurs personnes qui ne voulaient plus fréquenter les agences.. Je ne vois presque plus de clients qui ne sont pas sur Merb. Il y a un désillusionnement général par rapport à tout ça que je ressens en ce moment. Ça fait que beaucoup d'anciens clients ne voient qu'une ou deux escortes. Ou les clients qui ne veulent pas faire de screening vont dans les salons..

 

[LC18]

Their man concern has always been minors, most of their effective is working on bringing down minor trafficking. When they can, they investigate legit places like agencies and spas which is why you were under the impression that those places were intouchable.

They’re just not hiring minors so their at the very bottom of that team’s list

With 15 new people, an investigation on national tv and a few news articles, they’ll move a little quicker. If they don’t, the public eye will be very harsh and lose trust

The public eye in this case is Monsieur madame tout le monde who’s never been an escort or hired one. All they know about the industry, they’ve learned it last Thursday while watching Enquête

 

[TheJames101]

There is something I am so curious about. Mia apparently distances herself from Forever....did she know that this was coming?

Well "Mia" has some big fish to fry as it relates to the XO case, so...

I've been surprised to see how many people I know are talking about the case - but it's always in relation to the "Docteur Vampire" angle, which catches the eye (or ear). Whatever the case, it's out there.

 

[panican]

In fact, one of Forever escorts booker has reportedly stepped back amid allegations that she is facing charges.

If we’re referring to the same booker, she had already “stepped back” a while ago, and that was hardly a secret. Unless you have information to the contrary, the charges against this individual are connected to the publicly documented case against Xo, not a separate case against Forever.

 

[secretlover7529]

If we’re referring to the same booker, she had already “stepped back” a while ago, and that was hardly a secret. Unless you have information to the contrary, the charges against this individual are connected to the publicly documented case against Xo, not a separate case against Forever.

Yes, Mia is the same booker we have been referring to. The charges pertain to XO. However, there is also an ongoing investigation involving Forever. Unfortunately, I am unable to disclose any further details, so this is all I can specify at this time.