Need to end this incall business model and return to outcall for one. Best for an agency to be formless and not be some sitting duck and open target with a physical location.
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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I still don’t understand why guys use incall locations in Montreal. Makes zero sense unless you’re a local. The charm of Montreal is outcall to your hotel. More relaxed and fun.
I understand the economics for agencies, but out of dozens of appointments I always turned down incall. I can get that in NNJ and NYC.
I understand the economics for agencies, but out of dozens of appointments I always turned down incall. I can get that in NNJ and NYC.
Most of the wolves on merd are from Montreal and its vicinities.
As for people not denouncing rape.. we don't do it because people blame victims, they don't believe us, the process of reporting or calling out can be extremely traumatic etc. Particularly for someone who is a sex worker.. a lot of people think we're asking for it
I also want to remind you guys that not everyone is treated the same way in this industry and our experiences vary a lot. It's not surprising to me that a teenage girl would have bad experiences while other more experienced providers who know their boundaries don't as much
There is favoritism at certain places and some people will get exploited while others won't..this is why this is so touchy. Some people are more vulnerable than others for many different reasons and individuals who have bad intentions will see that vulnerability as a weakness to exploit
I also want to remind you guys that not everyone is treated the same way in this industry and our experiences vary a lot. It's not surprising to me that a teenage girl would have bad experiences while other more experienced providers who know their boundaries don't as much
There is favoritism at certain places and some people will get exploited while others won't..this is why this is so touchy. Some people are more vulnerable than others for many different reasons and individuals who have bad intentions will see that vulnerability as a weakness to exploit
i'm sure 50% of clients are with a significant other and cannot do outcalls
As for "why did she stay" it was stated in this thread several times that the boss was threatening girls with outing... And even beyond that. There are reasons why people stay in abusive situations.. these situations often have some sort of appeal on some level and there's a lot of manipulation involved too. 19 is really young. When I was 19 I was still a virgin and I was really naive.
I think someone can be too young and inexperienced for sex work personally. You have to have had some life experiences in order to handle it
I think someone can be too young and inexperienced for sex work personally. You have to have had some life experiences in order to handle it
It is on youtube now. Since those outside of Canada cannot access it previously.
There are countless agencies in NYC and NNJ, and damn good ones. I think we’re getting ridiculous here.
The fact that they knew your first name is very spooky...
I suspect Agencies have a way of doing a soft background check.
I googled my own phone number and my full name and city came up...I had it removed by submitting a request though
Hey EB, do you recall JuliesNYC back in the day? That agency got busted in early 2005. Julie Moya raked in millions, but the DA trumped up charges of her employing a 17 year old. The real story is the girl used fake ID, and when Julie found out, they jettisoned her. The underage may have worked a month or so. And that 17 year old was introduced to Julie by one of her girls, swearing she was 19.
I always found the girls there to be on the older side, 26+, some early 30s, so I was amused when I read the DA charging her with employing underage escorts. I was paranoid because I was a regular and never suspected the agency would employ anyone underage. But competing agencies helped bring her down, and apparently Julie stopped greasing some LE who helped her stay open for years and years.
The only clients arrested were those present during the bust. And Julie had like five locations around the city. Julie’s was best deal in town, Montreal quality and more for 250.
I have no doubt XO management are scum bags and I’m sure many allegations are true. But it’s also possible a lot of stuff is really embellished to help prosecute the case. These are heinous allegations, but let’s step back and assume many are true, many aren’t. Regardless, human depravity like what I’m reading never ceases to amaze me.
LE isn’t going after XO clients unless those clients saw an underage girl. That I’m fairly certain of, unless I’m missing something.
Everyone predicted other agencies in NYC would falll after Julie’s got busted. The opposite happened. So many opened to fill the gap.
One final amusing point which I heard from a Julie’s escort at the time whom I saw on the side post-bust. When it became evident a close friend and relative of one of the prosecutors was a regular at Julie’s, of course the sweet plea bargain came into play, with Julie agreeing never to reveal a “client list.”
Every case is different, but my guess is you’ll never see an XO client list unless prosecutors have a mark on a high profile person (eg Elliot Spitzer).
Google Julie Moya. Fascinating read. She did a bit of time…and of course she re-opened under a different brand a couple years later.
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Great idea !
Imagine a world where you visit an indy for GFE and she gives you an insurance receipt.
A world where your employer's insurance package would cover sexual services as long as the SW is a certified members of the APQ (I'll let you guess the acronym ) alongside massage therapists and physiotherapists.
I am surprised that nobody mentioned that another XO Escort Agency- the US based "XO Companions"- was busted in 2023 and their owner/operator was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison in October of 2025, following which he will be deported back to Russia. It seems like escort agencies named XO are having a tough few years- maybe it's a good idea to leave the name XO to the iconic Hong Kong sauce:
I had heard of this agency before, but never used it. They had always come up in Google searches when I looked for the XO website in Montreal in years past. I think they were a touring agency. Obviously operated by Russians, and specialized in Russian and other Eastern European imported escorts. Most of whom were likely illegally in the USA and enticed to come here with various bullshit promises.
I had heard of this agency before, but never used it. They had always come up in Google searches when I looked for the XO website in Montreal in years past. I think they were a touring agency. Obviously operated by Russians, and specialized in Russian and other Eastern European imported escorts. Most of whom were likely illegally in the USA and enticed to come here with various bullshit promises.
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It may not be the world you expect... The consensus among sex workers advocates is that what you describe (legalization) is not the way to go (and honestly what you describe sounds quite far fetched). I would suggest to start with "prostitution in Nevada" for more information.
Decriminalization has been proven to have the most benefits, not legalization. It took a 2 second Google search to find this..
https://piamp.net/en/faq/what-is-th...ization-and-the-legalization-of-prostitution/
https://piamp.net/en/faq/what-is-th...ization-and-the-legalization-of-prostitution/
C'est une de mes craintes et l'aspect que je déteste le plus dans ce Hobby, ne pas pouvoir être certains qu'une SP est dans l'industrie de son plein gré et en toute connaissance de cause.... même des high END Indy dans certains cas, tu crois qu'elle est 100% indépendante pour apprendre peu de temps après qu'elle a un "boy friend PIMP" qui participe à la buisness et prend une partie des profits.
Je veux juste être capable de rencontre des femmes qui sont 100% libre dans cette industrie man...This XO shit going to make me think twice before using an agency again cause what else could we learn? Of all agency....XO seems okay and it wasn't at all...
Je veux juste être capable de rencontre des femmes qui sont 100% libre dans cette industrie man...This XO shit going to make me think twice before using an agency again cause what else could we learn? Of all agency....XO seems okay and it wasn't at all...
Je pense que souvent il y a des rumeurs à propos des indy qui ne sont pas tout à fait fondées. Oui ça se peut qu'une high end indy ait un chum qui profite de son travail, mais il y a des nuances. Par exemple, dans le passé j'ai entendu parler d'une femme dont le mari s'occupait de la publicité et des bookings. Ma première réaction c'était ''omg c'est son pimp''.. mais j'y ai réfléchi plus longuement. Est ce que c'est vraiment son pimp ou il fait juste l'aider? C'est dur à dire. Si j'avais une blonde escorte et qu'elle avait besoin d'aide pour faire ses bookings, je dirais sûrement oui, surtout si elle remmenait plus d'argent que moi à la maison et qu'elle aimait son travail.
Oui c'est vrai que ça peut faire partie d'une dynamique de violence conjugale de prendre l'argent de sa blonde ou sa femme qui fait du TDS, ou de forcer sa blonde ou sa femme à se prostituter pour prendre l'argent, mais ça ne veut pas dire que toutes les escortes indépendantes ont quelqu'un derrière elles qui prennent leur argent. J'ai eu une copine et ensuite un copain pendant mon parcours d'escorte. Je leur payais souvent des choses mais ils ne me le demandaient pas, et je n'était pas exploitée par eux. Ce type d'abus financier est commun dans d'autres milieux aussi, pas juste dans l'industrie du sexe..
Une autre dynamique assez commune : une escorte qui commence à sortir avec un client bien nanti (ou un non client), qui l'oblige d'arrêter son travail et l'isole complètement, ce qui fait qu'elle ne peut pas se sauver de lui et continue à subir des abus.
Pour la plupart d'entre nous, le travail du sexe est une façon d'être indépendantes financièrement.
https://sosviolenceconjugale.ca/fr/articles/6-formes-de-violence-economique
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I agree with you….. agency, nassage or indy you never know exactly the whole story of the lady…
Oon Tryst you can see “independants” who actually also work in agencies…
That’s why its important to use judgement and feel out the situation. Talking to the lady to feel the vibe, try to see regulars who seem 100% of free mind and body. Also ask for consent, always. Its not implied because she took the money.
I have no doubt that agency was one of the worst. And if you listen to her carefully, she uses the r word not because every client forced her, but because she felt trapped by the agency hence any activity that occurred was not of free choice…..
My question is, when are they going to start going after the obvious cases such as asian agencies who have girls who barely can say a few words in English?
What’s unfortunate about this situation, besides her experience of course, is the message to the population. As if her story is the story of every women in the industry which only feeds their legal strategy and legitimizes going after the clients….. legalization is the way, not moving this industry further under ground.
I know many smart, beautiful women of free will who chose this line of work and are happy with it. Many if these women have careers outside this industry and a successful life.I think society should protect them.
Oon Tryst you can see “independants” who actually also work in agencies…
That’s why its important to use judgement and feel out the situation. Talking to the lady to feel the vibe, try to see regulars who seem 100% of free mind and body. Also ask for consent, always. Its not implied because she took the money.
I have no doubt that agency was one of the worst. And if you listen to her carefully, she uses the r word not because every client forced her, but because she felt trapped by the agency hence any activity that occurred was not of free choice…..
My question is, when are they going to start going after the obvious cases such as asian agencies who have girls who barely can say a few words in English?
What’s unfortunate about this situation, besides her experience of course, is the message to the population. As if her story is the story of every women in the industry which only feeds their legal strategy and legitimizes going after the clients….. legalization is the way, not moving this industry further under ground.
I know many smart, beautiful women of free will who chose this line of work and are happy with it. Many if these women have careers outside this industry and a successful life.I think society should protect them.
A lot of indies work for agencies and spa as well, just to have different sources of income. That doesn't mean they are not fully independent under their indy persona. It can also be that while they are beginning to build a reputation as an indy, they still need to work for an employer for a little while. I know girls like this and they don't have to rely on agency or MP work for all of their income, they have a lot more freedom.
Actually you should take it as a good sign for the agency because that means their employer is allowing them to work as an indy and didn't try to discourage them from doing work independently.
The other point you're making, about agencies with girls who can barely speak english or french, is an excellent thing to note and think about in my opinion. But I don't think anyone here should be upset that a 19 year old who didn't have a good experience in the industry is speaking out lol I think we should be allowed to talk about negative experiences without being accused of demonizing every client and encouraging abolitionist honestly... Nuances are great.
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