Who Is The Greatest Person Of French Nationality or Ancestry In History?
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Hello all,
We're being so modern-centric here is most cases. I'm surprised at myself for not thinking of:
Michelle de Nostradame (Nostradamus) 1503-1566.
Guy de Chauliac 1300-1368 (began to make medicine into a science during the Great Plague).
We're being so modern-centric here is most cases. I'm surprised at myself for not thinking of:
Michelle de Nostradame (Nostradamus) 1503-1566.
Guy de Chauliac 1300-1368 (began to make medicine into a science during the Great Plague).
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The poll does not make any such distinctions nor are such distinctions necessary for this poll. The nominees named here have included French nationals, Gauls, Normans, French Canadians and French Americans. I am not making any distinctions between these groups, but if you want to discuss the distinctions between these groups in another thread, you are welcome to start one.
As a pure laine québecios anglo, I'll stay far away from this one, thank you very much.
I agree with Cloudsurf. The original French people are a mixture of many people. They trace their roots from the Gauls, the Germans and the Romans. There are many races, nationalities who live in Modern day France. People from Northern Africa like Morocco, Algiers, Syria, Cambodians. Religions, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddists. The Quebecoise come from 17th and 18th Century France. There are many other nationalities that came over after the original French. I would think that the original French would intermarry amongst other Catholics that immigrated to Quebec, such as Irish, Italians, English, Polish in the course of more than 300 years. The language would remain a dialect of French since the majority of people in Quebec were originally French, just like the majority of people in the original United States were English, although a close second was German.
Two names not on your list:
Jacques Cartier founded New France.
General Lafayette was a decorated General under General Washington. Lafayette was born in France.
Two names not on your list:
Jacques Cartier founded New France.
General Lafayette was a decorated General under General Washington. Lafayette was born in France.
Right now, Martin is leading a still too close to call race over Louis Pasteur and Napoleon Bonaparte. An escort agency owner, a famous scientist and a great General, all seeking recognition as the greatest Frenchmen of all time.
I was very pleased to see Jean-Jacques Rousseau finally got a vote. I was made to study Rosseau's writings intensely in college and glad to see it was not deemed a total waste of my time. Victor Hugo, Alexandre Dumas and Pierre Trudea remain voteless, which shocks me to the core of my being. Show these guys some love. Victor could write, Dumas could entertain, and Trudeau was as intellectually powerful a statesman as has Canada ever had. He is to Canada what Clinton was to the USA.
I was very pleased to see Jean-Jacques Rousseau finally got a vote. I was made to study Rosseau's writings intensely in college and glad to see it was not deemed a total waste of my time. Victor Hugo, Alexandre Dumas and Pierre Trudea remain voteless, which shocks me to the core of my being. Show these guys some love. Victor could write, Dumas could entertain, and Trudeau was as intellectually powerful a statesman as has Canada ever had. He is to Canada what Clinton was to the USA.
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Hello all,
"I was made to study Rosseau's writings intensely in college and glad to see it was not deemed a total waste of my time. Victor Hugo, Alexandre Dumas and Pierre Trudea remain voteless, which shocks me to the core of my being."
You're fault. Those votes went to Martin...obviously a combination of the four...lol.
Go Louis...Go Louis...Go Louis!
Despite the mixed results, the courage of Jesuit priests in early New France was very important. So I want to mention Jean de Brébeuf a Jesuit brutally martyred by the Iroquois (now a saint of the Catholic Church). I first read about him about 12 years ago in a great book about those days called: "The Middle Ground: Indians, Empires, and Republics in the Great Lakes Region, 1650-1815 (Studies in North American Indian History)" by Richard White. Extremely fascinating.
Cheers,
Merlot
"I was made to study Rosseau's writings intensely in college and glad to see it was not deemed a total waste of my time. Victor Hugo, Alexandre Dumas and Pierre Trudea remain voteless, which shocks me to the core of my being."
You're fault. Those votes went to Martin...obviously a combination of the four...lol.
Go Louis...Go Louis...Go Louis!
Despite the mixed results, the courage of Jesuit priests in early New France was very important. So I want to mention Jean de Brébeuf a Jesuit brutally martyred by the Iroquois (now a saint of the Catholic Church). I first read about him about 12 years ago in a great book about those days called: "The Middle Ground: Indians, Empires, and Republics in the Great Lakes Region, 1650-1815 (Studies in North American Indian History)" by Richard White. Extremely fascinating.
Cheers,
Merlot
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I'll go with Jack Kerouac, Brett Favre and Mylene Farmer (she's a babe - go on Youtube - french singer with the most album sold in France by a french singer. She was born in Pierrefond, Qc... from parents from France, so I guess she qualified.
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Martin of Xxxtase is barely holding off Louis Pasteur to lead the poll. I think Martin may need to make a few new "discoveries" to keep up with Pasteur's whole lifetime of discoveries.
Possom Trot,
I believe you are correct, and as I said earlier there was already a thread started on the broader issue of who is the best agency owner. Posts on that issue should be in that thread. I already gave the reasons why I included Martin XXXtase as my Francophone escort agency owner nominee in this thread. If someone wants to start a thread about who the best French Canadian agency owners are they can start one. That is not what this thread is about.
I believe you are correct, and as I said earlier there was already a thread started on the broader issue of who is the best agency owner. Posts on that issue should be in that thread. I already gave the reasons why I included Martin XXXtase as my Francophone escort agency owner nominee in this thread. If someone wants to start a thread about who the best French Canadian agency owners are they can start one. That is not what this thread is about.
By the ways, I voted in this poll, and I DID NOT vote for Martin. I like Martin but do not believe he is the greatest French dude in history, LOL.
I will reveal who I voted for, and why, when the poll closes. I can say that after I selected the 10 nominees and posted the poll, I narrowed my selection down to two of the nominees. I went back and forth in my mind between the two for a long time before finally voting on one of them, although the way I set the poll up, I actually could have voted for both of them had I wanted to. However I decided to vote for one rather than both in the interest of knowing who it was in the event the poll ended up in a tie between the two. In that case, subtraction of my vote would be the tie breaker. There is no overtime in polls.
I can't believe I'm not nominated...
Ok, if Mod 11 can validate his French heritage can we nominate him into the poll???
Hell - I'll do it if he gets us some real Smileys!!! <insert rolleyes smiley here>
Actually, I don't know who Mod 11 is and whether he is of French ancestry or not, although he clearly speaks French. Martin of XXXtase I have met in person and I can verify he is of French Canadian of French ancestry . The last time I saw or spoke to Martin was about 3 years ago, at which time he beat me in a game of ping pong. I requested a rematch, and he refused, preferring to rest on his laurels. If the rematch ever happens, he will have the same experience as Joe Frazier did in his rematch against Muhammad Ali, and we will hear a lot of French curse words.
Hello all,
Of the top three vote receivers (not counting Martin) I don't see how anyone could vote for Napoleon. The temptation to view him as a national paragon of shining glory may be understandable, but when more thoroughly examined he was a typical self-glorying conqueror who finally buried whatever real democratic promise might have come out of the "Revolution". The code Napoleon may have made all classes equal, but it also promoted firm patriarchal dominance in the same way the Romans did and was more or less an updated form of old Roman Law. Napoleon did not even participate in forming it, though he did review and revise it.
As a military genius he matches up well with Hannibal, Alexander, Caesar, and Genghis Khan. But as a great man of the people, meaning what he really achieved for or contributed to his country and the well-being of the people, he fails. Any benefits the legal and governmental reforms generated under him may have had, they were subverted by his willingness to take power for himself, go to war and the economic and human price of it. Whereas Washington stopped the army from seizing control of the government Napoleon used his grenadiers to seize it.
At least William the Conqueror never killed off the chance of democracy. There wasn't any. He brought order, stability, and unified law...but ruthlessly to maintain power for himself and his progeny.
Unlike the other two the benefits of Pasteur's life work are incontestably positive and for all human kind...rather than being necessary for maintaining the power of an individual over all subjects. Countries and people should be proud of his kind...not conquerors. I'll never understand why so many feel pride in those who take lives and destroy promise over those who enhance both.
Go Louuuuuis,
Merlot
Of the top three vote receivers (not counting Martin) I don't see how anyone could vote for Napoleon. The temptation to view him as a national paragon of shining glory may be understandable, but when more thoroughly examined he was a typical self-glorying conqueror who finally buried whatever real democratic promise might have come out of the "Revolution". The code Napoleon may have made all classes equal, but it also promoted firm patriarchal dominance in the same way the Romans did and was more or less an updated form of old Roman Law. Napoleon did not even participate in forming it, though he did review and revise it.
As a military genius he matches up well with Hannibal, Alexander, Caesar, and Genghis Khan. But as a great man of the people, meaning what he really achieved for or contributed to his country and the well-being of the people, he fails. Any benefits the legal and governmental reforms generated under him may have had, they were subverted by his willingness to take power for himself, go to war and the economic and human price of it. Whereas Washington stopped the army from seizing control of the government Napoleon used his grenadiers to seize it.
At least William the Conqueror never killed off the chance of democracy. There wasn't any. He brought order, stability, and unified law...but ruthlessly to maintain power for himself and his progeny.
Unlike the other two the benefits of Pasteur's life work are incontestably positive and for all human kind...rather than being necessary for maintaining the power of an individual over all subjects. Countries and people should be proud of his kind...not conquerors. I'll never understand why so many feel pride in those who take lives and destroy promise over those who enhance both.
Go Louuuuuis,
Merlot
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Hello all,
Best hanging judge poll is in May...lol.
Of the top three vote receivers (not counting Martin) I don't see how anyone could vote for Napoleon. The temptation to view him as a national paragon of shining glory may be understandable, but when more thoroughly examined he was a typical self-glorying conqueror who finally buried whatever real democratic promise might have come out of the "Revolution". The code Napoleon may have made all classes equal, but it also promoted firm patriarchal dominance in the same way the Romans did and was more or less an updated form of old Roman Law. Napoleon did not even participate in forming it, though he did review and revise it.
As a military genius he matches up well with Hannibal, Alexander, Caesar, and Genghis Khan. But as a great man of the people, meaning what he really achieved for or contributed to his country and the well-being of the people, he fails. Any benefits the legal and governmental reforms generated under him may have had, they were subverted by his willingness to take power for himself, go to war and the economic and human price of it. Whereas Washington stopped the army from seizing control of the government Napoleon used his grenadiers to seize it.
At least William the Conqueror never killed off the chance of democracy. There wasn't any. He brought order, stability, and unified law...though ruthlessly to support his own power and keep it for himself and his progeny.
Unlike the other two the benefits of Pasteur's life work are incontestably positive and for all human kind...rather than being necessary for maintaining the power of an individual over all subjects. Countries and people should be proud of his kind...not conquerors. I'll never understand why so many feel pride in those who take lives and destroy promise over those who enhance both.
Just my view...Go Louuuuuis,
Merlot
I can't believe I'm not nominated...
Best hanging judge poll is in May...lol.
Of the top three vote receivers (not counting Martin) I don't see how anyone could vote for Napoleon. The temptation to view him as a national paragon of shining glory may be understandable, but when more thoroughly examined he was a typical self-glorying conqueror who finally buried whatever real democratic promise might have come out of the "Revolution". The code Napoleon may have made all classes equal, but it also promoted firm patriarchal dominance in the same way the Romans did and was more or less an updated form of old Roman Law. Napoleon did not even participate in forming it, though he did review and revise it.
As a military genius he matches up well with Hannibal, Alexander, Caesar, and Genghis Khan. But as a great man of the people, meaning what he really achieved for or contributed to his country and the well-being of the people, he fails. Any benefits the legal and governmental reforms generated under him may have had, they were subverted by his willingness to take power for himself, go to war and the economic and human price of it. Whereas Washington stopped the army from seizing control of the government Napoleon used his grenadiers to seize it.
At least William the Conqueror never killed off the chance of democracy. There wasn't any. He brought order, stability, and unified law...though ruthlessly to support his own power and keep it for himself and his progeny.
Unlike the other two the benefits of Pasteur's life work are incontestably positive and for all human kind...rather than being necessary for maintaining the power of an individual over all subjects. Countries and people should be proud of his kind...not conquerors. I'll never understand why so many feel pride in those who take lives and destroy promise over those who enhance both.
Just my view...Go Louuuuuis,
Merlot
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