What happend to the scene in Montreal?

[LeDodo]

Yes, clearly, but about what? lol

Well venting purpose is to get things off your chest right here. Consider here a safe, confidential space where you can type out all your frustrations, stress, or worries without any judgment (except that we all judge lol)

 

[LeDodo]

Seems people are okay with recruiting ppl from poor countries to suppress wages while at the same time they are competing with Canadians for apartments and make rents go way up.

Except that it's not the influx of people making the property market going up.

It's still linked to inflation (on raw materials here for most of the part) that makes the final product expensive when talking about primary market.
That's also the reason why lot of new construction are rental properties meaning they are built to be rented not sold. The number of rental units under construction was almost twice the 10-year average.

Btw there no shortage of property at the moment. It's actually the opposite. New residential projects that were just completed or soon to be are not finding buyers especially in Toronto.

Reference to the monthly Spring 2026 Housing Supply Report

 

[CLOUD 500]

Except that it's not the influx of people making the property market going up.

It's still linked to inflation (on raw materials here for most of the part) that makes the final product expensive when talking about primary market.
That's also the reason why lot of new construction are rental properties meaning they are built to be rented not sold. The number of rental units under construction was almost twice the 10-year average.

Btw there no shortage of property at the moment. It's actually the opposite. New residential projects that were just completed or soon to be are not finding buyers especially in Toronto.

Reference to the monthly Spring 2026 Housing Supply Report

Not true at all. Not what the CMHC said or the banks said. The most basic law of economics is the law of supply and demand. If you import more people demand goes up thus prices. It does not get any simpler then that. Got to get out of the mindset we got to build more houses, we need to first stop rapid population growth. If a gas tank is leaking the Liberal government is saying to pour more gas but it still leaks and the gas drains, I am saying to seal the leak first.

Immigration and housing prices across municipalities in Canada - Canada.ca

Research report - Immigration and housing prices across municipalities in Canada

www.canada.ca

^^^^ Even on the Federal government website it says the same thing. Trudeau knew this would happen and he did not care. All he cared about was never ending GDP growth.

This was from AI ->
Yes, the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) has consistently identified unprecedented population growth, driven heavily by high levels of immigration, as a primary driver of rising housing and rental costs across Canada.
This dynamic is not uniform across all regions; its effects vary depending on local market conditions:

• National Demand & Supply Gap: Rapid demographic expansion quickly outpaced the country's housing supply. CMHC has emphasized that Canada's housing construction would need to nearly double to restore affordability to pre-pandemic levels.
• The Montreal & Quebec Context: While historically more affordable than cities like Toronto or Vancouver, Montreal has seen average rents surge over the past decade. This is due to a combination of sustained population growth, increased construction costs, and the local market catching up to other major Canadian urban centers.

I know many hardcore Liberal voters will say whatever to defend their party but the cold hard facts does not change.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Except that it's not the influx of people making the property market going up

Well... slowing down the influx did make the average rents go down! particularly in BC and Ontario.

"Immigration policy has had a strong impact on Canada’s rental market." -Royal Bank of Canada

Canada’s population downturn, rising supply to keep apartment rents in check

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

I know many hardcore Liberal voters will say whatever to defend their party but the cold hard facts does not change.

Even Trudeau, in a last ditch attempt to get re-elected admitted in a little fireside chat video on YouTube that he went too far with immigration levels.

With my apologies to @urquell for having strayed so far off topic.

 

[LeDodo]

Not true at all. Not what the CMHC said or the banks said. The most basic law of economics is the law of supply and demand. If you import more people demand goes up thus prices. It does not get any simpler then that. Got to get out of the mindset we got to build more houses, we need to first stop rapid population growth. If a gas tank is leaking the Liberal government is saying to pour more gas but it still leaks and the gas drains, I am saying to seal the leak first.

Immigration and housing prices across municipalities in Canada - Canada.ca

Research report - Immigration and housing prices across municipalities in Canada

www.canada.ca

^^^^ Even on the Federal government website it says the same thing. Trudeau knew this would happen and he did not care. All he cared about was never ending GDP growth.

This was from AI ->
Yes, the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) has consistently identified unprecedented population growth, driven heavily by high levels of immigration, as a primary driver of rising housing and rental costs across Canada.
This dynamic is not uniform across all regions; its effects vary depending on local market conditions:

• National Demand & Supply Gap: Rapid demographic expansion quickly outpaced the country's housing supply. CMHC has emphasized that Canada's housing construction would need to nearly double to restore affordability to pre-pandemic levels.
• The Montreal & Quebec Context: While historically more affordable than cities like Toronto or Vancouver, Montreal has seen average rents surge over the past decade. This is due to a combination of sustained population growth, increased construction costs, and the local market catching up to other major Canadian urban centers.

I know many hardcore Liberal voters will say whatever to defend their party but the cold hard facts does not change.

I'm more into property market rather than politics.

I'll leave that here and see whose predictions will realize
Immobilier à Toronto | « Les gens sont pris » | La Presse

 

[CLOUD 500]

Even Trudeau, in a last ditch attempt to get re-elected admitted in a little fireside chat video on YouTube that he went too far with immigration levels.

Trudeau just said that because he was loosing in the polls. He was already told two years prior by economists that his mass immigration policy would cause a housing crisis. This is public record, it was posted on the news.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I'm more into property market rather than politics.

I'll leave that here and see whose predictions will realize
Immobilier à Toronto | « Les gens sont pris » | La Presse

Property owners love rapid population growth. It inflates their existing property values.

 

[Hmmm…]

You want people to bid on humans?????

Technically with a dynamic pricing model, you are bidding on the appointment slot and not ownership of the person. The difference is that a slave has no agency. This is price discovery of market-clearing price. This is raising the price until the demand meets supply. Look at Euphoria and Forever, and when they drop their schedules at 11PM, some providers are fully booked in 30 minutes. Even for hair stylists or wedding photographers, if they get fully booked constantly, they raise their prices for their service until they are no longer swamped.

All other things being equal, I would rather live in a country where there are fewer incentives to become a sex worker at a young age...

And that's what makes Canada more ethnically that other places around the world that do have more incentives that would encourage younger providers to enter the field.

And the whole argument of importing labor to solve a labor shortage has been debated to death elsewhere. That's what some are arguing of easing immigration to import girls. There is no labor shortage if all you want is to lower labor costs. Higher pay with safe and stable working conditions are what attract new entrants to enter the field.

 

[urquell]

It's a general feeling that "things are not what they used to be". Granted that humans have expressed this thought since basically forever, there do seem to be some tangible underlying factors that explain our perceived changes in the industry. The causes are diffuse and hard to pinpoint with certainty. At the risk of repeating myself, I still think that the general public underestimates how the pandemic transformed our societies and affected each of us on an individual level.

Covid affected everybody, no question, but Covid gets demonized as the only agent of change and that's nowhere near close to the truth. Covid didn't do anything even remotely near as much to change the industry as did the popularization of the internet. There have been periods of time of more stringent law enforcement, the emergence of full contact strip joints, Onlyfans, etc etc etc. There's always something and some agent of change at work.

It's a constantly evolving industry, just like any of a number of other industries. Nothing really stays the same long term, and people have to adapt to newer market trends, economic factors and customer behaviour. The other issue is that it's easier and easier to attach blame to political factors and factions that overstate the effect of this or that with respect to the industry (ies). The hyperbole is real, and so is the finger pointing, but the real, tangible effects of things that get blown up in the press don't always translate into massive change, just massive coverage that gives the perception of change. Even the sex industry needs to be viewed through a critical lens these days. lol.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Even the sex industry needs to be viewed through a critical lens these days. lol.

And we can keep theorizing and intellectualizing as much as we want, but at the end of the day, there is little to no hard data to base our arguments on, so we are unlikely to come to a satisfying conclusion.

 

[urquell]

And we can keep theorizing and intellectualizing as much as we want, but at the end of the day, there is little to no hard data to base our arguments on, so we are unlikely to come to a satisfying conclusion.

Sure there is. There's lots of easily measurable data points. Doesn't really matter though. You've seen the current cultural climate. Truth and hard data have absolutely nothing to do with giving people a satisfying conclusion these days! Most people are happier not knowing the truth if it invalidates their narrative.

 

[EastWind]

Pre-Covid. Within a week or even less you have a list. +10 you want to see. You may not see all of them but you will get to see the ones you want to see.

Post Covid. You are still making that list. Since 2023. LOL.

Time to look at other cities. Like Toronto. Especially if you have an Equinox All-Access membership.

Back in the early to mid 2000s. Oh those days was like walking into a candy store. https://www.sexwork.com/montreal/spreadsheet.html Life Changing.