US-Canada Border To Open Soon For Immediate Families

[sene5hos]

It's perfect we are on a discussion forum.

I read your posts, and I respect your ideas.

I give my opinion and you give yours.
We will stay on each side of the fence as it happens in USA.

Like Fradi said "a player doesn't make a team", but that can help team. Take the case of Mario Lemieux with the Pittsburgh Penguins.

 

[Fradi]

In all fairness no country was prepared for this and how could they, we have never faced anything like this.
Does Trump have to shoulder some of the blame, for sure, he is the President but I doubt any other would have done much better.
It is this collective reluctanct stubborn attitude of I will not be tolled what to do and the politicians that continue to beat their own drum and not wanting to head and follow the lead of the countries that turned this around to a manageable situation for now.

I have always admired the US and it’s people for being able to unite as a country and they have been the protector of the free world for decades now.
Yes they often meddle in situations where they should have stayed out of, but whenever a country is in trouble the first place they look for help is the United States.
This time however they have collectively dropped the ball and continue to be in denial, I just hope they wake up before it goes down in history as one of the worst disasters to hit them.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I disagree,
He is one man, one man doesn’t make a country just like one player doesn’t make a team.
It is this inherent attitude of nobody is going to tell me what to do.

Fradi,

If you want to analyze the issue in terms of the "team", which is fine, you and the other Canadian posters have overlooked a significant built in advantage that the Canadian "team" has: although it has a geographical area comparable to that of the USA, it has 1/10 the population that is spread out over that area. That natural isolationism of the population makes it much easier for the Canadians to obey reasonable pandemic protocols. Excepting Montreal and a few other major urban areas, the spread out population means supermarkets are less crowded, and there is less human interaction. Yet you are in denial over this obvious, natural, built in advantage enjoyed by the Canadian "team."

 

[Fradi]

EB,

The majority of the population for both countries is in the large cities and that is the reason Montreal is the New York of Canada.
I admire your patriotism, but perhaps it is time to admit that collectively you guys have royally fucked up and instead of criticising the “ Canadian team“ and trying to find excuses you should be learning from them as you guys are still doing in hockey.

 

[donbusch]

I don't believe this is true. When the quarantine was still in force against CT residents, the hotel told me I had to produce a negative test within 72 hours of the trip. In fact what I already posted in this thread which was a copy and paste from the hotel's website specifically says if you don't have proof, you are not allowed to check in. So your above comment is not correct.

You’re looking at it from the perspective of a responsible person trying to obey rules & protect others. Unfortunately, many idiots out there who don’t care about the rest of us. Don’t have or can’t forge a negative Covid-19 test result then just declare that you’ve already quarantined in Maine for 14 days, how would the Maine hotel clerk know or even care to check? See article below:

Commissioner Heather Johnson with the Department of Economic and Community Development says they’ve been meeting with industry leaders and recognized how critical it is for hotels and resorts to take reservations now.

As for the 14-day quarantine for out-of-staters, Johnson admits it will be on the honor system for guests and the people taking the reservations.

"It is not, kind of, maybe, necessarily the ideal solution, but what it is right now is the current solution and really the only solution available from a public health perspective to implement at this moment,” Johnson said.

Somebody who is calling from a Massachusetts phone number or New Hampshire number or somewhere, and tells me that they’ve quarantined in Maine for two weeks, there’s no way for me to prove that,” Sarah Diment of the Beachmere Inn said. “So I have to trust that they’re telling me the truth.”

Officials say 14-day quarantine for out-of-staters relies on honor system

AUGUSTA (WGME) – There have been 69 people in Maine killed by the coronavirus, and with 50 new cases, Thursday saw the third-biggest daily spike so far. Three new deaths, Maine coronavirus cases reach 1,565. As the state battles the virus, Governor Janet Mills says she's fighting for Maine's...

wgme.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

You’re looking at it from the perspective of a responsible person trying to obey rules & protect others. Unfortunately, many idiots out there who don’t care about the rest of us. Don’t have or can’t forge a negative Covid-19 test result then just declare that you’ve already quarantined in Maine for 14 days, how would the Maine hotel clerk know or even care to check?

DonBusch,

The hotel clerk sees the guest leave their room and go out, they have a duty to call the cops. Don't you remember the wave of arrests in Hawaii for disobeying quarantine? Honor system, my ass:

Trapped in paradise: Breaking quarantine could mean prison time for tourists in Hawaii

Hawaii officials have been enforcing some of the strictest measures in the country aimed at stopping the spread of the coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Breaking quarantine stopped making news in Hawaii because peopled stopped doing that after the wave of arrests set an example for their behaviors. The people in Maine are more no nonsense than in Hawaii.

Until now Maine has been in quarantine. Their tourist season is July and August, up until Labor Day. It's only just started. They will figure this out and like in Hawaii, arrests will be made. In fact, if I see someone from Texas at the hotel breaking quarantine, I will inform the authorities.

 

[donbusch]

DonBusch,

The hotel clerk sees the guest leave their room and go out, they have a duty to call the cops. Don't you remember the wave of arrests in Hawaii for disobeying quarantine? Honor system, my ass:

Trapped in paradise: Breaking quarantine could mean prison time for tourists in Hawaii

Hawaii officials have been enforcing some of the strictest measures in the country aimed at stopping the spread of the coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Breaking quarantine stopped making news in Hawaii because peopled stopped doing that after the wave of arrests set an example for their behaviors. The people in Maine are more no nonsense than in Hawaii.

Until now Maine has been in quarantine. Their tourist season is July and August, up until Labor Day. It's only just started. They will figure this out and like in Hawaii, arrests will be made. In fact, if I see someone from Texas at the hotel breaking quarantine, I will inform the authorities.

Read my post #83 and the accompanying article again. The article quoted a Maine state official & a hotel staff, highlighting the holes in their so-called quarantine.

Anyone can simply tell the Maine hotel clerk that they already quarantined elsewhere in Maine for 14 days and the hotel clerk either won’t know & has no way to verify.

It’s not that state officials don’t know there are holes in the quarantine. The problem is lack of resources to enforce plus it will decimate whatever is left of their tourist industry. A 72-hour Covid test is regarded as an expedited test & estimated around $300 assuming people can even get it given all the test shortages. For a family of 4, that’s $1200 even before the trip has started.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The people quoted in that article are overstating the difficulties of proving violations of quarantine. Most tourists not in the Sensational 6 are flying into Maine and LE knows with a simple flight record check when they arrived in Maine so made up stories about where else they quarantined in Maine are easily proven as bullshit. Although I cannot recall for sure, I believe Maine is also an electronic toll state meaning when you enter the State by car a photo is taken of your car's license plate. This is 2020 DB, and the lies that you are suggesting have been attempted and easily shot down in other settings. And that also brings another criminal charge: making a false statement to an officer of LE.

How do you think Hawaiii was able to make all the arrests that they did? You can only fly to get to Hawaii, and with the Sensational 6 buffer around Maine, most tourists subject to quarantine rules need to fly to get there.

Don't believe everything you read in the news media. The people interviewed spoke to LE and know what the enforcement strategy is and were told not to discuss it specifically, just like banks do not tell their customers what security measures they have against robberies.

 

[donbusch]

Actually even Cuomo admitted the quarantine is based on the honor system. Also don’t forget about business travellers who arrive & leave on the same day are not subject to quarantine.

I really hope that I will be wrong but the fact is lots of idiots out there who don’t care if they spread the coronavirus. We’ll know more in a few weeks about imported infections from other states. Stay safe.

Gov. Cuomo wants travelers from states with high coronavirus rates to isolate

A 14-day quarantine will be imposed on travelers coming to New York, New Jersey and Connecticut from states like Florida where coronavirus cases are skyrocketing.

nypost.com

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

Seems like a lot of folks have been crossing the border lately , illegal immigrants and what not
Trudeau ought to do a better job ,,, Canada should keep the borders closed until Sir William finally wears a mask lol , or until our neighbors down south manage to get the virus a bit more under control ,,, sorry fellas but I think it’s too early , but no worries I’m sure the time will come

 

[IamNY]

White House press secretary was asked about the US/Canada border closure expiring on the 21st and she mentioned there was no update. No news is good news depending what your rooting for.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It's going to be reopened to 6 states:

Maine
New Hampshire
Vermont
New York
New Jersey
Connecticut

Also known collectively as the Sensational 6.

It will be the Canadian message that the other 44 States need to get their fucken acts together. It's a message Trudeau wants to send.

 

[IamNY]

It's going to be reopened to 6 states

If your right steaks on me at La Queue de Cheval Steakhouse!

 

[Zaeballo]

The idea of a partial reopening of the border on a state by state basis is of course ridiculous on its face. If anything, it is Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine who would then close their borders with Quebec. Not much harm in daydreaming though.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The idea of a partial reopening of the border on a state by state basis is of course ridiculous on its face.

No more ridiculous than States quarantining against one another on a State by States basis, which is a reality. It's fact. A partial reopening to States deemed worthy of it enables a partial recoupment of lost tourist revenue. While you obviously do not give 2 shits about some of the downtown Montreal vendors who are heavily reliant on tourist revenue, those vendors are making their voices heard to the powers that be. The loss of the festivals is already a devastating blow. Are you so cruel as to hammer the final nail into the coffins of some of these vendors?

 

[Zaeballo]

No need putting words in my mouth, I am capable of expressing my thoughts myself, thank you.

I never said that I support the continuing closure, did I? When and if it is lifted, though, it will be done at the federal level (both ways), that much is clear.

The idea of rewarding the states that have fucked up their management of the virus especially severely, may seem tempting to some, but likely not so much to others.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The idea of rewarding the states that have fucked up their management of the virus especially severely, may seem tempting to some, but likely not so much to others.

It's actually the opposite- you would be rewarding the states that have managed things the best, and punishing those who fucked up their management of the virus.

 

[Zaeballo]

Right. Just look at the numbers. Deaths per 100,000 people is a good indicator.

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023| Statista

As of March 2023, Arizona had the highest COVID death rate in the U.S., with 455 deaths per 100,000 population. Hawaii had the lowest death rate.

www.statista.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

The numbers you should be looking at are actual case counts. That's what the State of Maine looked at in applying its quarantine rules.

 

[Zaeballo]

We, you and I, may well look at whatever numbers we prefer, it won't help either one of us to cross the border in the foreseeable future.