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How many terrorist attacks conducted by the Jews against the West?

You need to read some history of Palestine when the British were in control. The King David Hotel bombing for one.

The Jews can coexist with the West.

That's right, the attacks being reported in this country were against Muslim women failing to co-exist. :rolleyes: You do realize that such a blanket statement is xenophobic, Trump-esque?

https://twitter.com/ebolajulius2/status/796560854288310273 Video of group of black guys beating up a white old man for voting Trump.

Hardly surprising. I for one will say I condemn it, not make excuses. I'm still waiting for just one Trump sympathizer to say they condemn any of the violence in his name.

Helpless against the government? lol... didn't they just have a election to decide who they want? If they think they are gonna be helpless under Trump, get out and vote Clinton.

I said Trump used that tactic BEFORE the election, which he did a lot. You could not have missed the hard anti-government speeches and a key reason why he was elected as a government outsider. Now that his side won the attacks go on. So much for settling down after he won.

I just googled to see if Trump has come out and condemned these attacks, for the sake of unifying the country to be better than ever as he promised. Result: ZERO hits on Google.
 

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Well, didn't see that coming. I give full credit, he got out the rural vote, and Hillary didn't get her core out. 47.6 percent of eligible voters didn't vote. That's unbelievable. In the end, the DNC has to take responsibility for not accounting for this dissatisfaction from the rural areas, and for not getting their core out in higher numbers.

As for the protests, it's probably a simple case of Trump's message now scaring the hell out of those mentioned - immigrants, Muslims, women (Roe vs. Wade he promised to repeal, remember). Might be a case where now that he's in, he backs out of the most fear-mongering stands (kicking out 7-11M illegal immigrants who have family who are US citizens, getting a judge in on SC who will then seek to reverse Roe vs. Wade). But the fear-mongering has its consequences, too.
 

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I agree with most of what you wrote Sam and I myself rarely gamble because i always lose lol BUT not this time baby! Doc, you know where to find me brotha! ;)

Seriously though, i have a very good feeling about President Trump (ahhhh that sounds sooooooooooo much nicer than President Hillary don't you think, boyzzzz?) and the things his haters forget is that it is because of his massive ego that he will likely be a very good President if not a great one. Do you really think he went through a dog fight every day for the last year and a half to be a failure in the Oval office? His ego will push himself to be great every day he is in office, think about that.
Trump maybe an egotistical sexist jerk, but he is no Hitler.
For better or worse he was smart enough to win and now it is time for Americans to get behind him and make the best of it and give him a chance, he earned it, that is what democracy is all about.
There have been other Presidents that were not exactly exemplary human beings ( Bill Clinton, JFK ) and turned out to be decent Presidents.
Not a bad start so far, I thought I would lose a ton on the markets the very next day, wrong again, just as I was with Trump not having a chance to win.
Good thing I don't gamble.
 

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I agree with you,
His giant ego will push him to be remembered in history as a good President.

Whether he is motivated by a giant ego, a true passion for the people, patriotism, or something else doesn't matter as long as he is motivated, and he gets the job done.

I am sure that Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan did not have small egos either, but they got the job done in their chosen professions and that is the only reason why they are remembered historically as being great.
 

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Whether he is motivated by a giant ego, a true passion for the people, patriotism, or something else doesn't matter as long as he is motivated, and he gets the job done.
My instinct tells me he will likely step down within two years. If not, he won't seek re-election. He doesn't need this bullshit. I also believe he'd prefer staying at Trump Tower instead of the old White House. Living at the White House will drive his young son crazy! He currently has his own floor inside Trump Tower.

As soon Trump starts fighting with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, they might try to force him to resign in favor of Mike Pence. My guess is that it'll all depend on who he choses as his chief-of-staff. If it's Steve Bannon, he's likely to alienate everyone. Don't forget, Trump used to be a Democrat and Bannon hates the Republican establishment and especially Paul Ryan (and vice-versa). If Reince Priebus gets the nod, it'll be totally different and Trump may actually try to last the entire four years. As of today, Trump would prefer having Bannon. But Ivanka & her husband, who have a lot of influence over him, would prefer Reince Priebus.

What's ironic is that Trump had promised to 'drain the swamp' in Washington and this included getting rid of all the lobbyists. What was learned yesterday was that his transition team is filled with Washington 'insiders' and lobbyists. And people who are being considered for key cabinet positions just happen to be long-time Washington insiders (Gingrich, Rogers, Sessions, etc) themselves. I also doubt Trump will be able to reduce the terms of serving Congressmen, which actually would be a great idea. The Republicans simply won't let him get his wish.

Trump may not even be able to get rid of 'Obamacare'. However, i'm not even so certain he really wants to get rid of it. Campaign talk and reality are often two entirely different things.

Trump will also be extremely preoccupied during the first year of his presidency with legal matters. He's currently involved with 72 different lawsuits, including the one for Trump U.
 

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Trump is not used to having every single action, every single decision, analysed and debated in public forums.

He is used to being the boss in his company and on TV. He is going to have a tough time adjusting. Republicans may own Congress but they will not necessarily pass everything he proposes, they all have their own agendas.

How will he handle people saying no to him? How will he deal with constant pointed criticism? Has he ever dealt with this level of scrutiny and accountability? He was good at deflecting questions during the campaign but he will have a tough time in press conferences against seasoned White House correspondents.

Interesting times ahead!
 

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Trump maybe an egotistical sexist jerk, but he is no Hitler.

I'm asking what's the difference in the campaign methods so far. The parallels are strong, including the fear-mongering, race-baiting, and now violence against minorities. Instead of coming out against the pro-Trump violence or any violence he's blaming the media and "professional protesters". One of his campaign people and the Chairman of the Republican National Committee Reince Preibus, who is one of the two favorites for White House Chief of Staff, is saying Clinton is actively plotting it all. That's a continuance of the campaign divisiveness, not healing.

The groping pervert part of him is only a small part, another very strong parallel is he continually referred to himself as knowing more than anyone else in politics and the military. The second is especially astonishing considering he has NO military service or training. What it indicates is the most dangerous thing about him, that despite any advice he will put that advice aside and do things based on nothing more than his huge ego.

And yes Presidents all have big egos or they would not have run for the office, but they aren't foolish enough to think they know everything. Even Eisenhower, commander of all Allied forces in Europe, wasn't so confident in himself that he didn't listen to advice from others.

As for Presidents who "were not exactly exemplary human beings" none of them ever acted or spoke so purposefully or so profusely like cheap gutter trash at all, never mind so brazenly every day for all the world to see.

Now you've got recurring incidents of beatings against minorities, which no Trump supporter on this board has condemned. There are chants of "White Power" in many places across the country. Some have even called for an all white nation. Neo-Nazi groups are out front publishing their attacks...and all of these incidents have been carried out by thugs chanting for Trump or carrying his campaign signs. Not a word against any of this from Trump who is 100% responsible for giving hate groups encourgaement because of the utterly grotesque person he wanted to be throughout the campaign. Racism, Xenophobia, beatings and all the other ugliness Trump put into his campaign is NOT Democracy.







FOOTNOTE: Megyn Kelly said Trump called Fox News the day before the first debate angry about a debate question. Yes he knew the question before. Both sides were doing this, not one.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...emoir-‘settle-for-more’/ar-AAk9xe2?li=BBnb7Kz

The day before the first presidential debate, Mr. Trump was in a lather again, Ms. Kelly writes. He called Fox executives, saying he’d heard that her first question “was a very pointed question directed at him.” This disconcerted her, because it was true: It was about his history of using disparaging language about women.


Trump is not used to having every single action, every single decision, analysed and debated in public forums.

How will he handle people saying no to him? How will he deal with constant pointed criticism? Has he ever dealt with this level of scrutiny and accountability? He was good at deflecting questions during the campaign but he will have a tough time in press conferences against seasoned White House correspondents.

Interesting times ahead!

As I just said, that's the most troubling part of his record. He's used to running right over people. Presidents who tried that got nowhere. Reagan, Conservative ideologue that he was, built a good rapport with Tip O'Neill the Democratic Speaker of the House to get things done. Trump will have to change how he operates altogether. His biggest problem isn't going to be the media, it's going to be how the Washington establishment works because despite how Trump campaigned and how he threatened to over turn that establishment, the establishment is what he has to work with or they will make him very ineffective.

No one is going to come in and tell hundreds or thousands of people with the same big egos and very firm interests they're the ones who have to give up everything.

Protests continuing in Philadelphia, Oakland, Dallas, Denver, Portland, New York, etc. All because of Trump's divisive promises.

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Hitler was far more sexually unusual than Trump.

Hitler was considered celibate right to the end, except for the Geli Raubal affair. At least Trump has a normal attraction to good looking women and has fathered children.

Hitler was a product of a totally different environment. He did front line combat in the trenches, he was wounded and invalided, he was homeless and lived on the streets and in shelters. He was a very very angry man, and capable of extreme violence even against close friends. See the Rohm purges as an example, he had other former allies murdered.

Although Trump talks trash I cannot see him actually having Obama shot, like Hitler had Rohm. I cannot see Trump carrying out extermination policies like the attempted Final Solution. Hitler made all these clear right from his early days, he didn't beat around the bush. The SA was infinitely more violent than any scuffle at a Trump rally. The Nazis routinely sent armed groups into rivals meeting to disrupt and crack heads.

Finally, Hitler attempted an armed coup in 1923. Can you imagine Trump and some militiamen seizing a convention hall full of legislators and holding them hostage?

Hitler's name is thrown around way too much, people do not understand how violent and evil he really was.
 

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Finally, Hitler attempted an armed coup in 1923. Can you imagine Trump and some militiamen seizing a convention hall full of legislators and holding them hostage?

The "Beer Hall Putsch" of 1923 was a laughable attempt to take over the government of the German district of Bavaria. Unfortunately Rudolph Hess saved Hitler's life that day.

Hitler's name is thrown around way too much, people do not understand how violent and evil he really was.

I don't know about you. You seem to know plenty about him. I am extremely knowledgeable about him including his sexual habits and deformities. It would be very hard to find some bit of info I don't know about him. As for whether Trump is as sexually radical as him or not, we've had 70 years to learn everything about Hitler. What we have found out about Trump in 1 year is the evidence (from his own mouth) and testimony shows he feels he can demean and molest women, be accused of rape by his previous wife, have sexual ideas about his own daughter. That's a hell of a lot in very little time. What are the odds that's all of it???

You're right. People don't understand about all that Hitler was. That's what is most scary. It's a poor idea to compare Trump with Hitler because right away people think I'm accusing Trump of being willing to go as far as he did. I don't think that's possible. However, the basic parallels in style, messages, and methods are large and very scary. That's on top of the simple fact that Trump's personal qualities throughout the campaign mirrored that of a trash-mongering street punk with no shame for being so.

I meant everything I've said about him. I look back and 98% of it was accurate. Trump is filthy in character, unstable in temperament, dangerous in his views and actions, and he's a dirty lecher. Drop the name Hitler and Trump still has many of the characteristics of an egomaniac dictator regardless of any name references.

Trump's character is precisely reflected in who is emboldened by his words, actions, and policies. And right now we see bigots, racists, neo-Nazis coming out to harass, humiliate, and beat people and promote their hate views. With all that Trump's first choice to handle it all is to blame the media, not to simply come out and say he cannot support violence by anyone. Is that just another political tactic, or is it what Trump really is? Either way it's against the unity and healing he just promised.

Remember Trump retweeted the views of White Supremacists during the campaign, so it's all fair to connect him to all of it.

ONE MORE NOTE: I don't think most of those who voted for Trump believe in the ugly bigoted things he promoted. I think they put that aside and prioritized their views against Clinton, government, and the key issues. However that's scary too. Because those who voted for...THAT GUY...in 1933, said they thought the same thing about their man. Oh, he really doesn't mean everything he says. :rolleyes:

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If I am not mistaken Trump's son in law, the guy married to Ivanka, is Jewish. It seems unlikely Hitler would
Have tolerated Jews in his immediate family and he is not known to have dated any Jewish girls.
 

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My biggest regret in 2016 is not being in Montreal this week. The various emotional reactions of the participation trophy generation to the election results have been giving me some fierce boners the past few days that really could have been put to some good use :(

I guess schadenfreude is a real thing:eek:
 

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They have chosen Trump and it is time to give him a chance, it will be interesting to watch how he does when he will be under the microscope daily.

Okay. Give him a chance. Let's see if he follows through on his promises he said he would ABSOLUTELY fulfill for the country to "Make America Great Again". Remember one of the really big ones to get rid of all corrupt special interest groups/lobbyists in Washington and end this RIGGED SYSTEM against the American people.

Trump Campaigned Against Lobbyists. Now They’re on His Transition Team.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-on-his-transition-team/ar-AAk9Rg3?li=BBnb7Kz


WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.

Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.
Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.

Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.

Mr. Trump was swept to power in large part by white working-class voters who responded to his vow to restore the voices of forgotten people, ones drowned out by big business and Wall Street. But in his transition to power, some of the most prominent voices will be those of advisers who come from the same industries for which they are being asked to help set the regulatory groundwork.

The president-elect’s spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, declined a request for comment, as did nearly a dozen corporate executives, consultants and lobbyists serving on his transition team, which was outlined in a list distributed widely in Washington on Thursday.

A number of the people on that list are well-established experts with no clear interest in helping private-sector clients. But to critics of Mr. Trump — both Democrats and Republicans — the inclusion of advisers with industry ties is a first sign that he may not follow through on all of his promises.

“This whole idea that he was an outsider and going to destroy the political establishment and drain the swamp were the lines of a con man, and guess what — he is being exposed as just that,” said Peter Wehner, who served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush before becoming a speechwriter for George W. Bush. “He is failing the first test. And he should be held accountable for it.”

Transition teams help new presidents pick the new cabinet, as well as up to 4,000 political appointees who will take over top posts in agencies across the government. President Obama, after he was first elected, instituted rules that prohibited individuals who had served as a registered lobbyist in the prior year from serving as a transition adviser in the areas in which they represented private clients. They were also prohibited, after the administration took power, from lobbying in the parts of the government they helped set up.

“They wanted to make sure that people were not putting their thumb on the scale, or even the perception of that,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, the director of a nonprofit group called the White House Transition Project, which has studied two decades of presidential transitions.

Among the advisers assisting Mr. Trump who have no clear private-sector ties are Brian Johnson, a top lawyer for the House Financial Services Committee, who is helping to pick top staff members for the federal government’s many financial services agencies.

Edwin Meese, who served as attorney general under Mr. Reagan and is now associated with the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank, is helping oversee management and budget issues, along with Kay Coles James, a Bush administration official who now runs an institute that trains future African-American leaders.

Former Representative Mike Rogers, Republican of Michigan, who served as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee until 2014 and was once a special agent in the Federal Bureau of Investigation, is overseeing issues related to national security, including the intelligence agencies and the Department of Homeland Security.

But in other areas, most notably the energy sector, the transition team advisers are far from independent.

Mr. Catanzaro’s client list is a who’s who of major corporate players — such as the Hess Corporation and Devon Energy — that have tried to challenge the Obama administration’s environmental and energy policies on issues such as how much methane gas can be released at oil and gas drilling sites, lobbying disclosure reports show.

He also worked with oil industry players to help push through major legislation goals, such as allowing the export of crude oil. He will now help pick Mr. Trump’s energy team.

Michael McKenna, another lobbyist helping to pick key administration officials who will oversee energy policy, has a client list that this year has included the Southern Company, one of the most vocal critics of efforts to prevent climate change by putting limits on emissions from coal-burning power plants.

Advisers with ties to other industries include Martin Whitmer, who is overseeing “transportation and infrastructure” for the Trump transition. He is the chairman of a Washington law firm whose lobbying clients include the Association of American Railroads and the National Asphalt Pavement Association.

David Malpass, the former chief economist at Bear Stearns, the Wall Street investment bank that collapsed during the 2008 financial crisis, is overseeing the “economic issues” portfolio of the transition, as well as operations at the Treasury Department. Mr. Malpass now runs a firm called Encima Global, which sells economic research to institutional investors and corporate clients.

Mr. Eisenach, as a telecommunications industry consultant, has worked to help major cellular companies fight back against regulations proposed by the Federal Communications Commission that would mandate so-called net neutrality — requiring providers to give equal access to their networks to outside companies. He is now helping to oversee the rebuilding of the staff at the F.C.C.

Dan DiMicco, a former chief executive of the steelmaking company Nucor, who now serves on the board of directors of Duke Energy, is heading the transition team for the Office of the United States Trade Representative. Mr. DiMicco has long argued that China is unfairly subsidizing its manufacturing sector at the expense of American jobs.

In his campaign, Mr. Trump promised to take steps to close the so-called revolving door, through which government officials leave their posts and then personally profit by helping private companies reap rewards from policies or programs they had recently managed.

In October, declaring that “it’s time to drain the swamp in Washington,” he promised to institute a five-year ban in which all executive branch officials would be prevented from lobbying the government after they left. He has also promised to expand the definition of a lobbyist, so it includes corporate consultants who do not register as lobbyists but still often act like one.

Bruce F. Freed, the president of a nonprofit group called the Center for Political Accountability, which is pressing major corporations to be more transparent about their political spending, said Mr. Trump’s transition team had sent an unfortunate signal to his followers.

“This is one of the reasons you had such anger among voters — people rigging the system, gaming the system,” Mr. Freed said. “This represents more of the same.”

HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH!
So Trump has David Malpass (one example), whose investment banks collapsed in 2008, to oversee economic issues :pound: and the treasury department.
Breaking key promises and not even inaugurated yet. WAY TO GO ON SUPPORTING YOUR VOTERS DONNIE. YOU ROCK!!! :clap2:
 

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Not surprising since Orthodox Jews share a lot of the same values as Evangelical Christians.
Also they and Trump support the right wing in Israeli politics.

Hi Cloudy,
IMO, yes and no, and cheers

Israel has a giant wall around it, is populated by ethnic nationalists (or "Jewish Supremacists" to be consistent with NYTimes parlance), and is arguably an apartheid state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy
and this is all here to stay so I'd consider all of Israeli politics as right wing regardless of the alleged ideologies of their various parties.

More relevant to your comment though is the myth that "all" Orthodox Jews support Zionism at all, as there has always been outspoken vocal opposition within the community, since forever
http://www.truetorahjews.org/rabbinic-endorsements

There's always been a big fat major media blackout on the issue, which leads one to speculate that, jeez, maybe the Zionist establishment really does have influence over the media, and hides behind their accusations of anti-semitism even though so many of their vocal critics are the most devoted Jews.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/09/23/485973/Israel-UN-Orthodox-Jews-protest-Benjamin-Netanyahu-joke

With that being said, the propaganda has been a huge success, as almost every American Jew I have ever known, and I've known a Lot (no pun intended), considers themselves enlightened liberals, yet blindly supports Israel while having spent less than an hour total in their entire adult lives actually studying Judaism :confused: oy f#$%ing vey
 

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Will a Republican majority congress impeach Trump so that a true conservative like Mike Pense can become president?
If he becomes too hard to handle or breaks some laws then its all very possible.
 

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Like Cheney was the real power broker behind W, Trump will have a team to handle the routine grunt work.
He will be the front man, the big picture man, not the one to get bogged down in minutiae.
No need to impeach him. His presidency will be as leader of a team, not as a lone man at the top.
 
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