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The Never Ending Saga of the Epstein Sex Scandal

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I 100% agree with your first sentence and I said as much in the previous post. Just appearing in the files doesn't mean anything, but the context and what was said absolutely does.

Of the few people who have stepped down from their posts or the public eye, like Larry Summers, CEO of Chuck E Cheese, Peter Mandelson, why are they doing so if they've done nothing wrong?

I don't doubt that Clinton, Dershowitz et al. know that cavorting with teenage girls is morally and legally wrong. What you're missing is what applies to all those people applied to Epstein too: they thought they were invincible and wouldn't get caught. And it's not hard to believe that when these activities have been happening for decades. Even when Epstein first dealt with legal consequences, he got a deal that netted him 13 months behind bars.
You forgot that in the US using escort service is considered a turpitude and a borderline crime. This is why these people are stepping down. You again are trying to make people guilty by association with the logic that no way all these people did not use service of underaged girls if Epstein did. I don’t buy it. Maybe very selective few but not in general. These few need to be persecuted and the rest left alone by the hypocritical media and public.
 

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I doubt these people used Epstein to hook up with underage girls but I think pretty much everyone who knew Epstein knew he was hooking up with young girls. Even Trump joked that Epstein "likes 'em young." They all knew this. In that sense you could argue that all of them, even if they didn't use Epstein to connect with underaged women, nevertheless were enablers of Epstein just like Ghislaine Maxwell, who went to jail for enabling his activities. Epstein profited either from their money or their reputations and used their association to promote his own illegal activities. This should be clear. And for this reason nobody should be feeling sorry for Wasserman and others going down.

The bigger question is who is the next Epstein- "pimp for the celebrities and the stars"? There is clearly a lot of money in this and a demand for the service. I want to know who the 2026 Epstein is. He or she is out there. Who is filling this demand?
 
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You forgot that in the US using escort service is considered a turpitude and a borderline crime. This is why these people are stepping down. You again are trying to make people guilty by association with the logic that no way all these people did not use service of underaged girls if Epstein did. I don’t buy it. Maybe very selective few but not in general. These few need to be persecuted and the rest left alone by the hypocritical media and public.
(A) If I readily conceded--twice--that appearance in the files is not in and of itself evidence of wrongdoing, there's no logical connection of any sort to me making people guilty by association.

(B) "Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this."


Those were words attributed to Donald Trump about Epstein and teenage girls by a Palm Beach sheriff. Trump purportedly told the sheriff that in 2006, and the sheriff relayed that information to the FBI in 2019.

You can choose to believe there was a separate pool of girls for Epstein, but not Epstein's friends. The little evidence we have and the recruitment don't suggest that, but have at it.

(I chose not to dwell on Trump's very obvious contradiction of the different versions of Trump said about he knew about Epstein's activities).

(C) There were a ton of people who were emailing Epstein after his 2008 guilty plea for underage prostitution, with some trying to make arrangements to see girls. It's impossible not to know at that point, but people still wanted in. It's naive to think people didn't know or Epstein was only procuring of-age women.
 
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(A) If I readily conceded--twice--that appearance in the files is not in and of itself evidence of wrongdoing, there's no logical connection of any sort to me making people guilty by association.

(B) "Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this."


Those were words attributed to Donald Trump about Epstein and teenage girls by a Palm Beach sheriff. Trump purportedly told the sheriff that in 2006, and the sheriff relayed that information to the FBI in 2019.

You can choose to believe there was a separate pool of girls for Epstein, but not Epstein's friends. The little evidence we have and the recruitment don't suggest that, but have at it.

(I chose not to dwell on Trump's very obvious contradiction of the different versions of Trump said about he knew about Epstein's activities).

(C) There were a ton of people who were emailing Epstein after his 2008 guilty plea for child abuse, with some trying to make arrangements to see girls. It's impossible not to know at that point, but people still wanted in. It's naive to think people didn't know or Epstein was only procuring of-age women.
Again, there is no hard evidence that somebody met underaged girls besides Epstein, only speculation. I would like to see the evidence that can stay in court.
 
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There was a story in the Epstein files about how a little girl said Jesus made her feel warm and safe and protected so Epstein and his accomplices dressed up as Jesus when they raped and murdered her. And a lot of the protestants both right wing and left who morally grandstand about how everyone who is catholic or muslim or has melenin in their skin is "dangerous to women and kids" seem silent about it. Why do you think so many from that community seem to roar like lions when the bad men are framed as immigrants with dark skin but are as silent as mice when the bad men are white billionaires?
 
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There was a story in the Epstein files about how a little girl said Jesus made her feel warm and safe and protected so Epstein and his accomplices dressed up as Jesus when they raped and murdered her...
Somehow, I missed that story. :rolleyes:

Please provide a link to the file in question or a news report about that story.

Who were his accomplices? What did they do with the body? What was the girl's name? How old was she? How was she killed? There is no statute of limitations for murder-what is the status of the police investigation into this crime?
 

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So The Trans movement is a freaking Epstein Harvard Science project??
Robert Trivers is an evolutionary biologist at Harvard. Epstein had a lot of contact with some Harvard faculty who tried/hope to get money from him for their research. This email is explaining some very basic facts about trans-sexuals to Epstein. Like everything in the Epstein files, it has no context. There is no way to know what led to this email exchange, but it's just a meaningless, casual email exchange containing info that anyone could easily find using ChatGPT or by doing a Google search. The "trans movement" has nothing to do with Epstein or Trivers. :rolleyes: It's just another crazy part of the democrats' diversity platform that was rejected by the American people in the 2024 election.
 
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There is some big hypocrisy going on this board that is most transparently manifested itself in the discussions of the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Granted, Epstein himself was a proven pedophile which practically everyone on this board agrees is a crime. However, there is little evidence that he proposed service of underaged girls to his guests (read clients). In fact, there is plenty of the opposite evidence that most of his clients used the service of the legal age girls. I doubt that Clinton, Gates or Trump were engaged with underage girls. One of the big motivations to get rich is to have access to beautiful women either through marriage (which has its drawbacks) or by other means and Epstein has provided these means with an assumed security and confidentiality. As soon as there is no evidence that any particular client was engaged in sex with an underaged girl it is nobody business in my opinion. How it is different from running some high-end escort agency? Why every girl of the legal age that participated in this business is a victim? With this view we all on this board deserve a jail time. So, I have nothing against if Trump had good time with some legal age girls.
Thank you, MMX, for an excellent, concise summary of the truth about the Epstein saga. Though I disagree that Epstein was a "proven pedophile" (he never had any encounters with or expressed an interest in pre-pubescent girls) but he did have sexual encounters with a number of underage (under 18) girls and that is indeed a crime. He plead guilty, served time and was obliged to register as a sex offender. What most people overlook about those encounters is that he paid the girls which makes them prostitutes. In fact, he was specifically convicted of two crimes-one was sex with an adult (18+) prostitute and the other was sex with a minor prostitute (a girl who was almost 18 at the time). Also, it was the girls themselves, led primarily by Virginia Giuffre) who recruited their friends and acquaintances to provide services to Epstein in exchange for cash. They knew exactly what they were doing. That doesn't make it morally right or legal, but it shows that the girls were willing "partners in crime."

After his Florida conviction and jail sentence, Epstein seems to have restricted his activities to adult (18+) women. Through his numerous friend and acquaintances, he developed a network of attractive Russian and East European women who desperately wanted to come to the U.S. to make their fortunes and they were willing to trade their bodies and time for cash, rent, education benefits, movie auditions, etc. There is a near endless supply of such women in Europe and I can verify that by my experiences in numerous FKKs in Germany and Switzerland (I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that some of Epstein's post jail time women had some experience working in an FKK or brothel :D).

MMX is correct in characterizing what Epstein was doing as not fundamentally different from operating a high end escort agency--you know the kind that all of us here have patronized in Montreal! Except doing so is widely tolerated in Montreal (even though it is technically illegal). But in the U.S. the Feds along with some states and their feminist and conservative religious allies have managed to pass laws that equate almost any activity associated with paid sex as "sex trafficking." That was the big charge made by the Feds against Epstein in his 2019 indictment.

All the hoopla about the Epstein Files is just another big moral panic-similar to MeToo, campus rape hysteria, the 1980s daycare child sexual abuse scare, the Salem Witch trials etc. There are quite a few men who knew Epstein, fell into his network (Epstein should have written a book on networking!) and some made use of his free service of escort referrals. The only crime some of those men committed was using the services of an (adult) prostitute. There is no evidence in any of the files that Epstein ever referred any of his many friends and acquaintances to any underage girls.

Epstein is dead and gone. The Epstein saga should have ended the day he died.
 

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UK Police Arrest Prince Andrew, on morning of 66th birthday, Over Epstein Ties!!!!!! The arrest is timed as a birthday "present":


The charge is misconduct while in public office:
 
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Well, the dominoes are starting to fall regarding the Epstein Files with Prince Andrew's arrest by the British authorities. Judging by the photos I have seen to date, this monster is capable of much more than garden-variety sexual misconduct.

Who will be next?

Do you think Andrew will talk? Negotiate some deal?
 

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Well, the dominoes are starting to fall regarding the Epstein Files with Prince Andrew's arrest by the British authorities. Judging by the photos I have seen to date, this monster is capable of much more than garden-variety sexual misconduct.

Who will be next?

Do you think Andrew will talk? Negotiate some deal?
The allegation against Prince Andrew concerns his sharing of inside information about British trade policy with Epstein. The allegation has little or nothing to do with any sexual improprieties that have been rumored about Andrew. Virginia Giuffre made up a bunch of lies about having sex with him but she retracted her lies when she was required to swear to them under the threat of perjury. She had her photo take with him when she was 18+. So what--that proves nothing, other than the fact that she was one of Epstein's prostitutes who sometimes traveled with him.

No one will be next unless someone else has committed a non-sexual offense like sharing privileged information. There is simply no evidence of anyone besides Epstein of having sex with an underage prostitute.

Andrew might have to admit to sharing inside info with Epstein but there is no reason for him to admit to illicit sex because there's no evidence he committed any sex crimes.

Also, you should have posted this in the existing thread about the Epstein files. There is no need to start a new thread every time there is some news item about Epstein. :rolleyes:
 

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The allegation against Prince Andrew concerns his sharing of inside information about British trade policy with Epstein.
This sounds like insider trading except instead of being able to sell stock at an inflated price due to the inside information, he instead thought he was getting leads or intel from Epstein regarding either young pussy or, perhaps, legal pussy. So it's really a different kind of insider trading. But I suppose the bottom line for British LE is that trade policy isn't up for trade to private individuals, whether the gain is financial or just sexual leads.

I can see that it is analogously criminal to insider trading as we know it.
 
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This sounds like insider trading except instead of being able to sell stock at an inflated price due to the inside information, he instead thought he was getting leads or intel from Epstein regarding either young pussy or, perhaps, legal pussy. So it's really a different kind of insider trading. But I suppose the bottom line for British LE is that trade policy isn't up for trade to private individuals, whether the gain is financial or just sexual leads.

I can see that it is analogously criminal to insider trading as we know it.
Yep, he was paying for his hobbling with state secrets.
 
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Yep, he was paying for his hobbling with state secrets.
Although in one sense this may be amusing, it's a real concern that we could have politicians making pillow talk with spies and others, even getting blow jobs in exchange for State secrets.

A few years ago a Chinese spy named Christine Fang insinuated herself into the inner circle of Democratic Congressman Eric Swalwell, who eventually cut ties with her after he was warned by the FBI. Although an ethics probe cleared Swalwell, rumors abounded that he was fucking Fang:
This kind of thing is a real concern for any government and I think the British maybe ought to be concerned that loose lips could sink ships.

Getting back to Christine Fang, I wonder what Swalwell would have told her, to get a blow job, had the FBI not warned him?
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