Read my post again or ask someone to help you understand what i wrote i did not ask for lower prices
The miserable US$ to C$ exchange rate
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Read my post again or ask someone to help you understand what i wrote i did not ask for lower prices
Quite simply, no. In fact, they've gone down. The going rate in 2000 was $140-$150; today it is $160-$180. Can you name one other commodity that has performed nearly as well against the rate of inflation?
Actually, despite your inability to punctuate, I read you quite clearly. When you say "What the American brought here are higher prices," you are clearly saking for lower prices.
Rates went up very slightly as the exchange rate went DOWN. This had nothing to do with the exchange rate or Americans spending money in Montreal and everything to do with normal inflationary trends realized in all service businesses. My professional rates also went up during that time period as did my salary, but so did my cost of living although fortunately at not quite the same rate of inflation.
The lack of tourism has hurt the supply end just as much as the increase in tourism back in the early 2000s boosted it. It is silly and self-defeating for locals to root against the American contribution to the demand side of the Montreal escort market.
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The inflation rate between 2000 and 2009 has varied between 1 and 3.8%. Compounding the rate, $140 in 2000 inflated to $175.62 in 2009; $150 in 2000 inflated to $188.16 in 2009. Clearly, the price of sex has gone down in Montreal in the last 10 years, however slightly.
And using this model of analysis you can argue that Americans have actually kept prices down. The reason why is that with the exchange rate being at par, it is too dangerous for escort agencies in Montreal to increase prices up to and/or beyond the rate of inflation, because then the tourists stay home and bookings fall off dramatically. The agency owners know this, especially with the rate being at or close to par and factoring in the costs of travel and lodging for the tourist hobbyists.
A strong yankee presence has played a big role in making montreal the great place it is for hobbying, but if the US dollar jumps back to lofty levels for any sustained period I would bet it will be mirrored in price increases.
On the other hand there is a place like Cuba where a lack of American tourists has a situation where pussy is abundant and cheap, not to mention the cheap cost of vacationing there. Once /if the American influence returns I doubt it will be such a great bargain.
On the other hand there is a place like Cuba where a lack of American tourists has a situation where pussy is abundant and cheap, not to mention the cheap cost of vacationing there. Once /if the American influence returns I doubt it will be such a great bargain.
You make an excellent point, Beav. In fact, as the greenback has plunged, we've even seen a fair number of offerings at the 2000 rate of $150. There's one on the board within the last hour.
Interesting discussion.
Perhaps the answer lies within an old, archieved thread, but does anyone know what percentage of the Montreal market Americans constitute? Perhaps someone affiliated with an agency or a SP could chime in to give us an idea. Given the fact that the majority of communication on here is in English and given the ease with which someone can transact with agencies and providers in English, the percentage has to be significant. If many customers weren't American, why on earth would agencies even bother to invest so much in English language websites, answer the phones in English, or denote the fact that their girls are bi-lingual? Yes, I know people in the rest of Canada speak English, but I also know that English speaking Canadians are more likely to be able to speak French than your average American hobbyist. I'm not implying that Americans are a majority by any means, but I do think we are an important segment of the market that has an impact on supply, demand, and pricing. I would lean more toward thinking that the underperforming dollar and America's economic malaise have contributed to prices holding and the prevalence of specials.
In my opinion, a local hobbyist lamenting American sex tourists is a lot like what you see in my home state: locals lamenting the presence of flatlanders during ski season. Like it or not, without the dollars the flatlanders infuse into our economy, my state would go belly-up.
Perhaps the answer lies within an old, archieved thread, but does anyone know what percentage of the Montreal market Americans constitute? Perhaps someone affiliated with an agency or a SP could chime in to give us an idea. Given the fact that the majority of communication on here is in English and given the ease with which someone can transact with agencies and providers in English, the percentage has to be significant. If many customers weren't American, why on earth would agencies even bother to invest so much in English language websites, answer the phones in English, or denote the fact that their girls are bi-lingual? Yes, I know people in the rest of Canada speak English, but I also know that English speaking Canadians are more likely to be able to speak French than your average American hobbyist. I'm not implying that Americans are a majority by any means, but I do think we are an important segment of the market that has an impact on supply, demand, and pricing. I would lean more toward thinking that the underperforming dollar and America's economic malaise have contributed to prices holding and the prevalence of specials.
In my opinion, a local hobbyist lamenting American sex tourists is a lot like what you see in my home state: locals lamenting the presence of flatlanders during ski season. Like it or not, without the dollars the flatlanders infuse into our economy, my state would go belly-up.
You're absolutely correct. I was in Florida recently....in the Fort Lauderdale area. I also spent some time driving to Miami. Between the two cities, there were "Nous Parlons Francais" signs at many motels along my route. I do know for a fact that a faction of the local population aren't very fond of Quebecers who flock to their area (Fort Lauderdale, Dania, Hollywood, etc) yearly. However, those same tourists bring in a lot of $$ to their economy.
I regret my previous "joke" post. As a noob, I don't want everyone to think of me as a bloody idiot already with such few posts. I have never been screwed over by another hobbyist (let alone an American) so I have no grievance per se with anyone wanting to come up here for fun.
A financial seminar that I attended recently quoted the US-CDN exchange rate to be of fair value when it costs 85 cents US to buy 1 Canadian dollar. As of late, I have been spending much of the past few days monitoring www.xe.com and the exchange rate graph (I am leaving for the Southwest tomorrow). You will notice that throughout 2010, the Canadian dollar has been performing exceedingly well compared to what my bank considers to be fair value. The dollars are basically at par now - good for us Canadians who want to go down, but bad for the Americans who want to come up. The reason for the high exchange rate is essentially due to Alberta's oil sands development making our dollar very valuable. Combine that with the slow growth of the current US economy and voila. This is not to say that par has had nothing but good benefits for Canadians when we consider problems in exports (particularly lumber/forestry) and trucking industries.
Now, I can't say that I feel bad for the strip clubs that closed down in the past few years perhaps in large part due to this. I don't feel bad because there are many alternatives still available. I do remember the heyday of Teazers of course. Back then when I was in CEGEP, tipping twonies was alright, and there were many Americans that my friends and I met there. They were very cool to us locals, they were from Southie Boston and asked where to buy weed (not being a drug user and always wanting to be helpful, we steered them in the right direction).
My best non-scientific guess as to gauge the impact of our American brothers to the hobby scene in Montreal is to basically get the number of active hobbyists here (not sure whether to include the lurkers of which I was until recently one of them) and make a ratio with the SPs available. But you would have to compare how it was in the good old days for you when the CAD was weak to now. I would like to think that it is constant... but this question ought to be left for those with much more knowledge than me.
Well with the dollar at par it makes the cost of the hobby the same for Americans as for Canadians. I think that is only fair.
Americans still get a great deal for their money because in the US the prices are several times higher. So they still get first rate talent at a reasonable price.
Lets all have a great 2011 evjoying the great Montreal women.
Americans still get a great deal for their money because in the US the prices are several times higher. So they still get first rate talent at a reasonable price.
Lets all have a great 2011 evjoying the great Montreal women.
Not just Americans, but the rest of Quebec & Canada also get a great deal also. Name me another city in Canada that has first rate 'talent' at such great prices?
Hello all,
Aeolus, as usual your logic is pretty solid. Since 2001 I've very rarely ( just a few ladies of very limited English) had any trouble dealing with this hobby from research on about five different boards to making an appointment or enjoying my time with a lady using English only. Regardless of the bilingual city or the bilingual education system of Quebec the ease of doing business in English has to say a lot about the impact of American escorting clients. The first phone response before I speak is always in English, which is quite the opposite of my shopping experiences in downtown Montreal.
Voyager, you are saying the brothels were a good thing?
Yes, the flow of American money has had important influence on rates related to supply and demand. That's only natural. But as someone noted, in the boon of American rate differentials, as much as 1-1.56 around 2002-2003, the greater flow of the American dollar brought in more quality escorts offering more GFE services. A Montreal friend of mine hobbying since 1997 has pointed out these differences many times. Your narrow focus on price ignores several key benefits from the clients perspective American influence has brought in the general escorting scene.
Cheers,
Merlot
Aeolus, as usual your logic is pretty solid. Since 2001 I've very rarely ( just a few ladies of very limited English) had any trouble dealing with this hobby from research on about five different boards to making an appointment or enjoying my time with a lady using English only. Regardless of the bilingual city or the bilingual education system of Quebec the ease of doing business in English has to say a lot about the impact of American escorting clients. The first phone response before I speak is always in English, which is quite the opposite of my shopping experiences in downtown Montreal.
Voyager, you are saying the brothels were a good thing?
Yes, the flow of American money has had important influence on rates related to supply and demand. That's only natural. But as someone noted, in the boon of American rate differentials, as much as 1-1.56 around 2002-2003, the greater flow of the American dollar brought in more quality escorts offering more GFE services. A Montreal friend of mine hobbying since 1997 has pointed out these differences many times. Your narrow focus on price ignores several key benefits from the clients perspective American influence has brought in the general escorting scene.
Cheers,
Merlot
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