The mileage variation

[terrybogard88]

I noticed there seems to be a higher rate of YMMV cases in hobby lately. All contexts considered (Indies, Agency, duo). Expectations in the content of sessions, seem to not be met, more than what i could imagine.

* Do you make the same remark ?

* is "eager to please" an outdated human quality that we no longer want to invest into ?

* What could explain that ? Are SP finding more ways to just get out of meetings with easy money with no hard work or are we all just less tolerant to each other ? Could be also that clients have unrealistic demands and surprises

I guess im just worried that exceptions become the new rules. Please share your thoughts

 

[CLOUD 500]

I noticed there seems to be a higher rate of YMMV cases in hobby lately. All contexts considered (Indies, Agency, duo). Expectations in the content of sessions, seem to not be met, more than what i could imagine.

* Do you make the same remark ?

* is "eager to please" an outdated human quality that we no longer want to invest into ?

* What could explain that ? Are SP finding more ways to just get out of meetings with easy money with no hard work or are we all just less tolerant to each other ? Could be also that clients have unrealistic demands and surprises

I guess im just worried that exceptions become the new rules. Please share your thoughts

Yes big time in 2025 and that is because a lot of the members are accepting sub-par service. I also see too many overly positive reviews and many are too afraid to write negative reviews. Many negative things are omitted. If the clients began to stand there ground and not accept it things would change fast. I remember years ago an escort who posted as an anonymous SP who worked at one of the agencies vented out on how she hated doing DFK and was disgusted by the clients who wanted it and how that was only for her BF. In reality she kept doing DFK because the clients wanted it and if she did not offer it she would not get much bookings. Indys are the most YMMV, agencies do have some standards that need to be meet but it has become lax in 2025, some of the stuff I read today would have resulted in the SP being booted out of the agency 15 years ago.

 

[terrybogard88]

Yes big time in 2025 and that is because a lot of the members are accepting sub-par service. I also see too many overly positive reviews and many are too afraid to write negative reviews. Many negative things are omitted. If the clients began to stand there ground and not accept it things would change fast. I remember years ago a stripper who posted as an anonymous SP who worked at one of the agencies vented out on how she hated doing DFK and was disgusted by the clients who wanted it and how that was only for her BF. In reality she kept doing DFK because the clients wanted it and if she did not offer it she would not get much bookings. Indys are the most YMMV, agencies do have some standards that need to be meet but it has become lax in 2025, some of the stuff I read today would have resulted in the SP being booted out of the agency 15 years ago.

I have to agree with this 100%, that is unfortunate

 

[Fradi]

I noticed there seems to be a higher rate of YMMV cases in hobby lately. All contexts considered (Indies, Agency, duo). Expectations in the content of sessions, seem to not be met, more than what i could imagine.

* Do you make the same remark ?

* is "eager to please" an outdated human quality that we no longer want to invest into ?

* What could explain that ? Are SP finding more ways to just get out of meetings with easy money with no hard work or are we all just less tolerant to each other ? Could be also that clients have unrealistic demands and surprises

I guess im just worried that exceptions become the new rules. Please share your thoughts

This is why I see the same couple of young ladies ( Indy’s) now for years.
Never a disappointment, they are always doing their utmost to please me.
I know every time I see them I will have an amazing time.

 

[urquell]

This is why I see the same couple of young ladies ( Indy’s) now for years.
Never a disappointment, they are always doing their utmost to please me.
I know every time I see them I will have an amazing time.

I'm the same way, and it's why I see the same circle of people as well. It helps that none of them ever have to worry about reviews and client acquisition so I'm sure that the reaction I'm getting is honest, natural and true to me, whether positive or negative (everyone has bad days too, lol. It's usually fine the next time). I also find that people put a lot of pressure on themselves to try to get the same experience that someone else had (why did so-and-so get DFK but not me?), when every individual interaction is different and some people just simply click better together. It doesn't make anyone a bad person. People just need to find people whose vibe and energy latches theirs. I don't understand why people get disappointed when their interaction wasn't the same as someone else's. A service is what's offered, not automatic chemistry. It just seems unreasonable to me to presume that that a personal connection should be the same for every person. Oh well, people are the heroes of their own story, I guess.

Still, what does seem clear is that as a general statement service is becoming more impersonal and is being broken into too many pieces and acronyms for organic sessions to be as common as they were in previous environments. The world just keeps on spinning, and some stuff gets better and some stuff gets worse. Everybody gets to decide hat that is for themselves.

 

[terrybogard88]

This is why I see the same couple of young ladies ( Indy’s) now for years.
Never a disappointment, they are always doing their utmost to please me.
I know every time I see them I will have an amazing time.

So you are not in the dating circuit anymore, i mean regarding new encounters. That s indeed one solution... And time makes connection even deeper between people that have a genuine "eager to please" quality

 

[Fradi]

So you are not in the dating circuit anymore, i mean regarding new encounters. That s indeed one solution... And time makes connection even deeper between people that have a genuine "eager to please" quality

I do see someone new from time to time maybe two or three a year, sometimes in a duo with one of the ladies I know for many years.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I'm the same way, and it's why I see the same circle of people as well. It helps that none of them ever have to worry about reviews and client acquisition so I'm sure that the reaction I'm getting is honest, natural and true to me, whether positive or negative (everyone has bad days too, lol. It's usually fine the next time). I also find that people put a lot of pressure on themselves to try to get the same experience that someone else had (why did so-and-so get DFK but not me?), when every individual interaction is different and some people just simply click better together. It doesn't make anyone a bad person. People just need to find people whose vibe and energy latches theirs. I don't understand why people get disappointed when their interaction wasn't the same as someone else's. A service is what's offered, not automatic chemistry. It just seems unreasonable to me to presume that that a personal connection should be the same for every person. Oh well, people are the heroes of their own story, I guess.

Still, what does seem clear is that as a general statement service is becoming more impersonal and is being broken into too many pieces and acronyms for organic sessions to be as common as they were in previous environments. The world just keeps on spinning, and some stuff gets better and some stuff gets worse. Everybody gets to decide hat that is for themselves.

It is a question about money, at least for me. If I have to fork out $500 on an Indy and jump the hoops to book her but get no DFK and a poor service then that is a pricey loss for me but she still expects the full amount. Before I even would book an Indy I would ask directly for the services I want. What about some of the guys on this board who dished out $700 on a session but the girl spent the entire time talking? If it were a 30 min session at $200 then I am okay if I did not get the service I wanted, but $500? Totally unacceptable. In 2021 I did a few TOFFT and it resulted in a good session but man in 2025 there are just so much sub-par SPs and the prices are much higher. Something just does not ad up.

This is why I see the same couple of young ladies ( Indy’s) now for years.
Never a disappointment, they are always doing their utmost to please me.
I know every time I see them I will have an amazing time.

I do the same. I got my regulars but I at times want to indulge in variety because after 5 years of the same group of girls you loose the novelty and excitement. But eventually these regulars will move on to other things.

 

[terrybogard88]

It is a question about money, at least for me. If I have to fork out $500 on an Indy and jump the hoops to book her but get no DFK and a poor service then that is a pricey loss for me but she still expects the full amount. Before I even would book an Indy I would ask directly for the services I want. What about some of the guys on this board who dished out $700 on a session but the girl spent the entire time talking? If it were a 30 min session at $200 then I am okay if I did not get the service I wanted, but $500? Totally unacceptable. In 2021 I did a few TOFFT and it resulted in a good session but man in 2025 there are just so much sub-par SPs and the prices are much higher. Something just does not ad up.

I do the same. I got my regulars but I at times want to indulge in variety because after 5 years of the same group of girls you loose the novelty and excitement. But eventually these regulars will move on to other things.

Aerk ! dont even remind this to me , a lot of time this year i have been stucked with SPs who appear to just want a sweet chit-chat, she will talk forever and not follow your directions to move into action. You even book her a second time because she is sexy, another 2 hours yet she does the exact same thing infinite talking ditching your touches and not following at all your direction, just enjoying the drink and the music

Not to mention those that indeed follow your direction towards action but a few seconds later find an excuse like "ouch you touched my skin i hate when someone touches my skin, yes anywhere", you have to pull everything right ? We are all respectful and everything

I believe we cannot ignore the fact that there are now hundreds of SPs out there who think they can do that activity but really THEY CANNOT and they should not.

 

[urquell]

It is a question about money, at least for me. If I have to fork out $500 on an Indy and jump the hoops to book her but get no DFK and a poor service then that is a pricey loss for me but she still expects the full amount. Before I even would book an Indy I would ask directly for the services I want. What about some of the guys on this board who dished out $700 on a session but the girl spent the entire time talking? If it were a 30 min session at $200 then I am okay if I did not get the service I wanted, but $500? Totally unacceptable. In 2021 I did a few TOFFT and it resulted in a good session but man in 2025 there are just so much sub-par SPs and the prices are much higher. Something just does not ad up

Yeah, that's why I don't see people who do timed sessions anymore (except when in MPs) because the value simply isn't there. I usually consider any session that's timed to be a waste of money almost irrespective of what the amount is. With massages the approach is a bit different, because I'm principally paying for the massage and somewhere between 60-90 mins is the most I would want to spend on that anyway. Anything over and above the massage is just a cherry on top, although it's a very enjoyable cherry. When it comes to the full sex experiences none of the people I see operate on a timer, and sessions last for as long as they last, often with a social component. It just makes everything so much more relaxed and I personally like to take my time and dislike the pressure of having to define my session and/or perform on a time schedule.

As for TOFTT I agree with you that these days it's tougher to take the plunge because the cost of getting it wrong it so high, in both time and money. It's getting harder to trust in reviews being objective and accurate too.

 

[Fradi]

I do the same. I got my regulars but I at times want to indulge in variety because after 5 years of the same group of girls you loose the novelty and excitement. But eventually these regulars will move on to other things.

Perhaps I am just too easy to please lol.
I have been mostly seeing the same 2 ladies for 8 years now. My ATF I see quite often.
The novelty hasn’t worn off if anything we have become friends and I look forward to seeing them not just for sex but as friends, they are kind and interesting young ladies whose company I enjoy.
They never disappoint me and it is so easy and natural to be with them.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Yeah, that's why I don't see people who do timed sessions anymore (except when in MPs) because the value simply isn't there. I usually consider any session that's timed to be a waste of money almost irrespective of what the amount is. With massages the approach is a bit different, because I'm principally paying for the massage and somewhere between 60-90 mins is the most I would want to spend on that anyway. Anything over and above the massage is just a cherry on top, although it's a very enjoyable cherry.

I tried the MP during the covid lockdowns, just was not my cup of tea and at the time prices were good. Now they are just too high for what you get.

When it comes to the full sex experiences none of the people I see operate on a timer, and sessions last for as long as they last, often with a social component. It just makes everything so much more relaxed and I personally like to take my time and dislike the pressure of having to define my session and/or perform on a time schedule.

That is the type of experience I have with the regulars I see. There were strippers I meet at the club, when you click with one it is so much better. About the timer this is very apparent with the incalls, you immediately feel that you are in an assembly line in a factory.

As for TOFTT I agree with you that these days it's tougher to take the plunge because the cost of getting it wrong it so high, in both time and money. It's getting harder to trust in reviews being objective and accurate too.

Yep. Just not worth it anymore with these prices. It will only get worse till guys stop accepting sub-par service, go out of their way to please the girls, and to post overly positive reviews (the reviews cannot even be trusted as you said here because they are overly positive). I checked some members and they always post a positive review, how can anyone never have a negative review? To me negative reviews are much more valuable then the positive ones.