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If Russia invades it's 100% the Ukrainians will fight as hard as the Poles did in WWII against the German and Russian invasion, and cause heavy Russian casualties.
I do not doubt the Ukrainian people. Its their politicians (like the French) the problem.

Look at Poland/ Roumania and Ukraine. 3 times richer than Ukraine since 1990. Poland, roumania, baltic states looked west and never looked back.

Ukrainian politician's want the West wealth and development but made no changes to their corruption, oligarch, soviet structure. Oligarchs in Ukraine, like min Russian own about 20 percent of GDP vs. Poland/ romania 2-3 percent of GDP.

Ukraine would be a NATO and Euro member but didn't clean up their act... and here we are...
 

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Ukrainian politician's want the West wealth and development but made no changes to their corruption, oligarch, soviet structure. Oligarchs in Ukraine, like min Russian own about 20 percent of GDP vs. Poland/ romania 2-3 percent of
This is all supporting Putin's "Big Brother" argument. He can't return to the "good ole days" of the USSR, so annexation of Ukraine is the next best thing.

The Beatles song "Back in the USSR", although written as a sarcastic response to The Beach Boys song "California Girls", somehow strangely fits the current situation. Note that the song very prominently mentions Ukrainian girls:
Ohh!
Flew in from Miami Beach B.O.A.C.
Didn't get to bed last night
On the way the paper bag was on my knee
Man, I had a dreadful flight
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the U.S.S.R. (Yeah!)
Been away so long, I hardly knew the place
Gee, it's good to be back home
Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case
Honey, disconnect the phone
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the U.S.
Back in the U.S.
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Well,
The Ukraine girls really knock me out (... Wooh, ooh, ooh)
They leave the West behind (Da, da, da)
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout (... Wooh, ooh, ooh)
That Georgia's always on
My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my mind
Oh, come on
Woo (Hey)
(Hoo) Hey
Woo hoo (Yeah)
Yeah, yeah
Hey, I'm back In the U.S.S.R.
You don't know how lucky you are, boys
Back In the U.S.S.R.
Well,
The Ukraine girls really knock me out (...Wooh, ooh, ooh)
They leave the West behind (Da, da, da)
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout (... Wooh, ooh, ooh)
That Georgia's always on
My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my mind
Oh, show me 'round your snow-peaked mountains way down south
Take me to your daddy's farm
Let me hear your balalaikas ringing out
Come and keep your comrade warm
I'm back In the U.S.S.R.
Hey, you don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Oh, let me tell you, honey
Hey, I'm back
I'm back In the U.S.S.R. (Woo, ooh, ooh)
Hey, it's so good to be home (Woo, ooh, ooh)
Yeah, back In the U.S.S.R.
 
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what a shame, lives will be lost. we should be offering ourselves to save as many willing Ukraine women who wish to come 2 months ago.
 

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Russian State TV has been discussing how to divide or ‘share’ Ukraine with the West. Basically Eastern Ukraine + areas bordering Crimea would go to Russia while the western section can go to whomever wants it.

Makes sense since Putin wouldn’t want his invading force (all excited with live ammo) moving too near NATO forces in case an accident happens.

 

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Russian State TV has been discussing how to divide or ‘share’ Ukraine with the West. Basically Eastern Ukraine + areas bordering Crimea would go to Russia while the western section can go to whomever wants it.
They had the exact same deal with Germany when Poland was invaded in 1939, although that deal later was broken when Germany invaded Russia. It sets up the possibility of the new countries of Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine, just like East Germany and West Germany after WWII.

There could be a pissing match over who gets Kiev, which is in the middle of the country. And whether it should be part of the East or West, I suspect the Russians will want Kiev and tell NATO "you can have the rest of the pie."
 
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They had the exact same deal with Germany when Poland was invaded in 1939, although that deal later was broken when Germany invaded Russia. It sets up the possibility of the new countries of Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine, just like East Germany and West Germany after WWII.

There could be a pissing match over who gets Kiev, which is in the middle of the country. And whether it should be part of the East or West, I suspect the Russians will want Kiev and tell NATO "you can have the rest of the pie."
The deal was called the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact..., I guess it was respected untill somebody started to play with matches ;)
I really hope history will stop repeating itself.
 

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Looks like the Americans and Biden haven't been telling us the truth on what's at stake!
All Putin wants is a solution to the Russian Cossack (a large separatist group located in eastern Ukraine) situation in Ukraine!
For all intents and purposes these are Russians that are fighting to take back their own distinct territory or merge back with their Russian compatriots.
The problem is that the Government in Kiev refuses to sit down at the negotiating table with the Russian backed separatists!

If one looks at a map of Ukraine, one must wonder why the eastern part territory occupied by the separatists is so far into Russian!!!...However, I agree with Putin and Russia "it's time to bring your family home" and reclaim that territory!

...And the Americans sending two clowns (Blinken and Kabala) at some stupid Munich Security Conference or any other organized leader's summit is not going resolve anything! I don't think they have a clue as to what is at stake or what is going on there!

Like I said after Sleepy Joe took over after the US elections..."Sweet dreams Sleepy Joe!!!...Sweet dreams"!!!...lol!
 
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Apparently there was a huge explosion in Eastern Ukraine.
False flag operations. The Germans did the exact same thing in Poland in 1939- staging a provocation to invade:
"The German troops, dressed in Polish uniforms, would storm various border buildings, scare the locals with inaccurate shots, carry out acts of vandalism, retreat and leave behind dead bodies in Polish uniforms. The bodies were really prisoners from concentration camps who were dressed in Polish uniforms, killed by lethal injection, shot for appearances and left behind."
 
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...Russia would be happy to stop after taking this region. They don’t give a shit about Kiev.
Exactly, like I mentioned in Post #22...it's almost all about the energy pipeline and the land!...and a message to the U.S. not to meddle in other people's business!
 

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I heard a military analyst on the news tonight say Kiev is in fact a target. I assume they will stop there.
That's the problem when you hear things from a military 'anal'yst that is an American trying to stir up shit!...What are they going to stop in Kiev for..."a shot of vodka"!

In any event, I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing has a taste of Republican zest with the help of course of the dynamic duo of "Exxon and Chevron" and their Russian drinking buddy Gazprom and let's not forget the other duo of "Raytheon and Northrup"...

...just so that the Republicans can stick it up the Democrats asses!!!...Make America Great Again!
 
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...Biden addressed the media an hour ago, saying he's convinced that Russe will invade.
In fact, Biden was supposed to address the media at 4pm ET after the close of the stock market...but Sleepy Joe took a long nap instead!!!...lol!
 
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