Pourquoi autant de time waster ?

[Halloween Mike]

They promise to book and ask questions & never book, or they ask for services that aren't advertised and they are just trying to see if I'm willing to cross my own boundaries.

On this specific part... I think personally its ok to ask a few questions even if you don't intend to book right now. Obviously don't promise you'll do it tough and keep short and simple. Especially on services, of course if its clearly said "restrictions : this and that" and they still ask i agree its pushing boundaries but if its not mentioned at all i think its fair game to ask no? Not all providers who allow cim or cof for instance will list it on their website. Asking then become the only way to know for sure.

Otherwise im with you on the rest, i know there is lots of time wasters unfortunately.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

On this specific part... I think personally its ok to ask a few questions even if you don't intend to book right now. Obviously don't promise you'll do it tough and keep short and simple. Especially on services, of course if its clearly said "restrictions : this and that" and they still ask i agree its pushing boundaries but if its not mentioned at all i think its fair game to ask no? Not all providers who allow cim or cof for instance will list it on their website. Asking then become the only way to know for sure.

Otherwise im with you on the rest, i know there is lots of time wasters unfortunately.

Oh I totally agree with you that it's ok to ask questions when services are not clear even if you're not sure you want to book! I don't view that as "time waster" behavior.

I'm more talking about clients who ask endless questions and have not read the ad or website, or are asking about services that are clearly not offered. Some clients ask for "custom made sessions" for a lower rate for instance... Some want to see if they can get you to offer something "just for them"

 

[Frank The Tank]

Time wasters affect many industries. I heard horror stories from real estate agent.

I myself was involved in negociating the sale of a golf course as a laŵyer. Potential buyer was presented as a rich man from the middle east. My client did preliminary due dilligence to qualify the buyer.He had a nice car and designer clothing.First info seemedncredible. Turned out, the potential buyer had not enough money and was just negociating for fun. He was doing the dealing himself and was not using a lawyer. This was fishy. It lasted weeks. We just wasted time until we uncovered his game and got confirmation that he did not have access to the cash to make the deal.

If I am contacted by a new, I always ask ŵhere they got my name and contact information. If it is random because of a website or likedin, it usually is a waste of time. If it is a business reference, I always call the contact to get inside info. Last test : I tell them upfront it is 530$ per hour to meet and usually files always cost more than 5000$. When I had my firm, I asked a deposit to cover 50% of the estimated fees and put it in my in trust account. No free meeting. If they accept without complaing, its a good start. Once we meet, if I can't help, I usuallly waive the fee and try to find a reference. I am honest. If the person is a nut job, I send them to see Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Time wasters affect many industries. I heard horror stories from real estate agent.

I myself was involved in negociating the sale of a golf course as a laŵyer. Potential buyer was presented as a rich man from the middle east. My client did preliminary due dilligence to qualify the buyer.He had a nice car and designer clothing.First info seemedncredible. Turned out, the potential buyer had not enough money and was just negociating for fun. He was doing the dealing himself and was not using a lawyer. This was fishy. It lasted weeks. We just wasted time until we uncovered his game and got confirmation that he did not have access to the cash to make the deal.

That's really awful

 

[jeffmathers]

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Time wasters affect many industries. I heard horror stories from real estate agent.

I myself was involved in negociating the sale of a golf course as a laŵyer. Potential buyer was presented as a rich man from the middle east. My client did preliminary due dilligence to qualify the buyer.He had a nice car and designer clothing.First info seemedncredible. Turned out, the potential buyer had not enough money and was just negociating for fun. He was doing the dealing himself and was not using a lawyer. This was fishy. It lasted weeks. We just wasted time until we uncovered his game and got confirmation that he did not have access to the cash to make the deal.

If I am contacted by a new, I always ask ŵhere they got my name and contact information. If it is random because of a website or likedin, it usually is a waste of time. If it is a business reference, I always call the contact to get inside info. Last test : I tell them upfront it is 530$ per hour to meet and usually files always cost more than 5000$. When I had my firm, I asked a deposit to cover 50% of the estimated fees and put it in my in trust account. No free meeting. If they accept without complaing, its a good start. Once we meet, if I can't help, I usuallly waive the fee and try to find a reference. I am honest. If the person is a nut job, I send them to see Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton.

I know Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton is a big firm Is there a particular reason to send them there? Is there a news story about them? Just curious. It would be cool if all time wasters for travailleurs de sex and lawyers were held accountable.

 

[neverbored]

I'm speculating here, but with generational population growth, there's just more Millennials and Gen Z entering the client space, and probably doing it earlier as a side-effect of early internet-driven hypersexualization. For Boomers and Gen X, engaging SPs, was always pretty jaded. For a lot of these younger guys, texting and digital conversation is part of their arousal ritual. I would guess, that alone adds a ton of traffic. So perhaps, more eyes, more DMs, more bullshit.

Also wouldn't be surprised if a chunk of those DMs are from minors too. They're getting exposed way earlier, and obviously can't book even if they wanted to. Just more noise.

Legit curious question to the girls: (Apart from the usual requests) What does the breakdown look like for you? How often are guys trying to pick you up for free, or just trying to chat just for the conversation? What are weird messages you guys get that aren't job related.

 

[Shantie_mtl]

Classique tw .. 50 x par semaine

Toutes des questions qui sont sur mon site ou annonces

 

[neverbored]

and I'll bet that's not even the worst case.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

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I'm speculating here, but with generational population growth, there's just more Millennials and Gen Z entering the client space, and probably doing it earlier as a side-effect of early internet-driven hypersexualization. For Boomers and Gen X, engaging SPs, was always pretty jaded. For a lot of these younger guys, texting and digital conversation is part of their arousal ritual. I would guess, that alone adds a ton of traffic. So perhaps, more eyes, more DMs, more bullshit.

Also wouldn't be surprised if a chunk of those DMs are from minors too. They're getting exposed way earlier, and obviously can't book even if they wanted to. Just more noise.

Legit curious question to the girls: (Apart from the usual requests) What does the breakdown look like for you? How often are guys trying to pick you up for free, or just trying to chat just for the conversation? What are weird messages you guys get that aren't job related.

I don't think it's related to generation personally.. a lot of good client I have are under 40.

I'd say most of my messages are serious, but it fluctuates. I got a lot of messages from guys who "just want to chat" when I joined this forum. I don't think everyone has negative intentions, but some of them seem to want to gossip or gain information from me in ways that are really not subtle.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

People rarely waste my time and I never had a client who no called-no showed, so I don't know, if a provider thinks she has too many time wasters and it's become unbearable, maybe it's time to change something.

 

[Salbandini]

Classique tw .. 50 x par semaine

Toutes des questions qui sont sur mon site ou annonces
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Lol 98 percent man 98 percent .

 

[Lunaseraphim]

People rarely waste my time and I never had a client who no called-no showed, so I don't know, if a provider thinks she has too many time wasters and it's become unbearable, maybe it's time to change something.

I agree that it's important to set boundaries to avoid this, I get a lot less time wasters than I used to.

 

[Shantie_mtl]

People rarely waste my time and I never had a client who no called-no showed, so I don't know, if a provider thinks she has too many time wasters and it's become unbearable, maybe it's time to change something.

C'est normal certain façon faire font qui apporte plus de time waster mais aussi certain sont ... en text mais de très bon client en personne et deviennent des réguliers....

 

[LotusFlower]

That's why I ask a deposit, and some times, people pay the deposit and dont show up.

 

[Shantie_mtl]

That's why I ask a deposit, and some times, people pay the deposit and dont show up.

Yes but deposit garantis pas toujours

 

[urquell]

I'm not trying to minimize this, because time wasters are frustrating, but it's not something that's not limited to this industry. Real estate agents, car salesmen, restaurants etc etc. all suffer from people who are either no-shows or who back out of a deal after wasting someone's time. Salespeople in general across many industries have people who take up time without completing the deal all the time. It's a far greater numbers game in some industries than it is in this one. In an ideal world people would be as good as their word, wouldn't waste people's time, and when the inevitable curves that life throws them happen they would be kind about advising others as soon as possible so that SPs (or others) could make alternate arrangements and get on with their lives, but people are people, and not all people are good people, and not everyone is thoughtful and considerate. It's an occupational hazard across many industries and unfortunately all you can do is to take the steps necessary to minimize it as much as possible. If it does happen a lot then perhaps you might want to consider changing things in your approach to see what works to get as many as possible out of your life.

 

[MCTJ]

That's why I ask a deposit, and some times, people pay the deposit and dont show up.

Yes but deposit garantit pas toujours

Parfait, souper chez St-Hubert avec le dépôt.

 

[Merbified]

Perso ça me dérange quand les gens précisent qu'ils sont blancs en intro parce que c'est absolument pas dans mes critères de sélection, la couleur de peau d'un client, et ça ne m'indique rien de très utile. Je sais que la plupart le font au cas où j'aurais des restrictions à ce niveau, mais c'est comme si la personne qui m'écrit assume que je suis raciste et n'y voit aucun problème (ce qui me dérange déjà en partant car j'aime pas rencontrer les gens qui cautionnent le racisme et assument que moi aussi), y en a aussi certains qui le précisent en espérant recevoir un traitement préférentiel et comme il est impossible de savoir qui a quelles motivations, ça me dérange dans 100% des cas.

Je parle juste pour moi, évidemment.

Je suis pas mal sûr qu'ils le font pour unique raison que PLUSIEURS escortes demande la nationalité/race du client et qu'ils n'acceptes pas les noirs, indiens ou autres races. Donc d'après moi, ceux qu'ils le disent dès le début, sans pré-avis, ou même si ce n'est pas écrit dans ton annonce de le mentionnez c'est juste pour éviter aux deux parties de perdre du temps. C'est simplement ça. Il faut aussi arrêté de overthink les choses parfois c'est rien de personnel à toi qui semble le prendre comme si le client assume que tu es raciste. Ce n'est rien de personnel contre toi..

 

[Julia Sky]

Je suis pas mal sûr qu'ils le font pour unique raison que PLUSIEURS escortes demande la nationalité/race du client et qu'ils n'acceptes pas les noirs, indiens ou autres races. Donc d'après moi, ceux qu'ils le disent dès le début, sans pré-avis, ou même si ce n'est pas écrit dans ton annonce de le mentionnez c'est juste pour éviter aux deux parties de perdre du temps. C'est simplement ça. Il faut aussi arrêté de overthink les choses parfois c'est rien de personnel à toi qui semble le prendre comme si le client assume que tu es raciste. Ce n'est rien de personnel contre toi..

Il y en a vraiment qui pensent obtenir un traitement préférentiel ou qui pensent que c'est un exploit d'être blanc. On m'a dit plus d'une fois "T'en fais pas je suis blanc" ou "si je suis blanc je peux avoir des extras? ". Même si la raison est simplement "beaucoup d'autres escortes le demandent" je trouve ça rude d'assumer que moi aussi j'aurais des demandes motivées par le racisme, et/ou rude de ne pas avoir pris le temps de lire mon site web, qui énonce ce qui est demandé pour prendre RDV avec moi. Plusieurs escortes demandent des dépôts également mais c'est drôle très peu de gens décident d'en envoyer sans qu'on leur demande, curieux hein?

et comme il est impossible de savoir qui a quelles motivations, ça me dérange dans 100% des cas.

 

[Merbified]

Il y en a vraiment qui pensent obtenir un traitement préférentiel ou qui pensent que c'est un exploit d'être blanc. On m'a dit plus d'une fois "T'en fais pas je suis blanc" ou "si je suis blanc je peux avoir des extras? ". Même si la raison est simplement "beaucoup d'autres escortes le demandent" je trouve ça rude d'assumer que moi aussi j'aurais des demandes motivées par le racisme, et/ou rude de ne pas avoir pris le temps de lire mon site web, qui énonce ce qui est demandé pour prendre RDV avec moi. Plusieurs escortes demandent des dépôts également mais c'est drôle très peu de gens décident d'en envoyer sans qu'on leur demande, curieux hein?

Ah alors là s'ils pensent et leurs intentions avoir des offres et un traitement préférentiel en disant ça, ça change tout. Je comprend alors