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...(yes, the Democrats) shut down the government and risked a default in the US's Debt.

CS,

If the Democrats did it, why is Republican Cruz taking credit for it???

I'm trying not to get involved in this endlessly hyper-partisan bickering, and treat you with a minimum of respect where possible. But come on, did you break all your mirrors so you don't have to look at yourself when you say this. If you are saying Ted Cruz and other Tea Party backers didn't engineer this shut down...you've lost it completely. Other Conservative and Moderate Republicans didn't want it, and Cruz himself leaves the threat of another one open.

In fact, a report from the website MR CONSERVATIVE just one day after avoiding the shut down declares the threat:

October 18, 2013 11:43am PST

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/10/26195-ted-cruz-threatens-another-govt-shutdown/

Many conservatives were disappointed when Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) said he would give up on trying to prevent a deal, which fully funded Obamacare.

Well, now he is threatening to shutdown the government against to prevent Obamacare from being fully funded.

He recently said he would “do anything” to stop Obamacare, even if that meant shutting down the federal government again.

On Hannity this Wednesday, the Texas Senator said that defunding Obama’s healthcare bill will be a “multi-staged, extended political battle.”

On Thursday, the Republican House “surrendered” to the Democratic Senate to reopen the federal government. The bill only authorizes the government to remain open until early January, however. At that time, the same back-and-forth process could happen again. This is when Cruz would likely push to shut down the government once again.

Senator Jon McCain (R-AZ), however, sees things differently. He said that it would be irresponsible to shut down the government once more, and he said he can “guarantee” it will not happen again. He said the Republican’s efforts to keep the government shutdown was “shameful” and “agonizing.”

Would you support Cruz if he decided to push for another government shutdown to stop Obamacare?


I know it's only a sex board CS, but you're here persistently showing how it matters here to you. Since you are taking this very seriously you can't rewrite reality and not look as bad as can be.

I think the sign-up for "Obamacare" debacle has been atrocious. People should be given at least a 4 to 6 months reprieve from signing up until this inexcusable problem has been fixed. But part of the problem is political. It might look like caving in to Ted Cruz blackmail, and this is exactly what Cruz and his Tea Party pals are dying for. President Obama should still just suck it up to do the right thing because the problems are so widespread in the government website system. So there's plenty of reason to justify delay without the politics.

But don't put yourself in a position to look like you have no idea what you're talking about or are just lying by saying the Democrats shut down the government. You ARE destroying your word.

BTW: saying "black" or "African American" is considered the norm in the U.S.. The first is more about pride, the second is more about political correctness.

:rolleyes:

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FYI: until further notice, or at least until CS "Maybe Next Time They'll Nominate a White Guy" Marty returns from whatever planet he's inhabiting, I'm taking a leave of absence from this foolish thread.
 
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FYI: until further notice, or at least until CS "Maybe Next Time They'll Nominate a White Guy" Marty returns from whatever planet he's inhabiting, I'm taking a leave of absence from this foolish thread.

I have one question. DO YOU PROMISE?? Just say you'll keep your word. Alyssa will you take the same oath?
 
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Senator Jon McCain (R-AZ), however, sees things differently. He said that it would be irresponsible to shut down the government once more, and he said he can “guarantee” it will not happen again. He said the Republican’s efforts to keep the government shutdown was “shameful” and “agonizing.”

You're quoting that idiot McCain?? ROFLOL. Look back in my posting history, I voted for Obama rather than be forced to vote for that loser. Come on Merlot don't make yourself such an easy target. Quoting McCain is no better than quoting Pelosi or Reid.

With respect to the balance of your post let's remember that my central and ongoing premise is that Obama is simply a VERY BAD MANAGER who shouldn't be president. Flat out, he had over 3 years to get this right. From a managerial standpoint he's done worse than failing, he's f__ked it right up.

With regards to the fact that it's a sex board I would point out two issues. First, let's remember that there exists multiple threads here on Sports issues. One of them being a very long multiyear thread. Second, I'm not the one who posted the famous first thread, "OBAMA AN HISTORIC PRESIDENCY" several years ago. It's only when Obama and the libs are on the run that you start questioning posting such issues on this board.

P.S. I know, "BTW: saying "black" or "African American" is considered the norm in the U.S.. The first is more about pride, the second is more about political correctness.". I was commenting on making a joke containing Black people in general. It's just not done here in the South, despite what people think. After living in the South for 55 years I can count on one hand the number of "Black Jokes" or jokes that have "Black People" in them that I've every heard here. I contend that the joke was in poor taste no matter the intent. PC joke or not, it's in poor taste. You can think what you wish. I would never laugh at such a thing. There are several PC jokes that can do the job as well.

OK, let me state my original premise: I voted for Obama the first time. McCain was a joke, yet the Democrats still quote him. I can handle a POTUS that has different values than I do or different political philosophies. What I cannot handle is a POTUS who is a piss poor manager and is to infantile to accept any responsibilities for his actions or inactions. Simple Obama should not be president for these reasons. I've stated it before and I'll state it again, my ideal candidate would be someone like Joe Lieberman. Yes, I know he used to be a democrat. Does that tell you something?

Now back to the important current matter here. Will Rumps and Alyssa promise not to post in this thread??
 
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Here's a prediction: Rumps and/or Alyssa and/or Doc or maybe one of their lesser pack will start a competing thread in which they extol the virtues of Obama and decry the Conservatives and/or the Tea Party. From this thread they'll take "pot shots" at me and this thread just like they did last time. You see they can only talk among themselves for so long telling us how great Obama is. Now that Rumps, using his bullying & smear tactics, has committed to abandon this thread I invite the Conservatives on the board to post in peace. Next post to be on Obama's imploding foreign policy.

P.S. Merlot, even the liberal press at CBS is now talking about how the Republicans waged battle with the Democrats to delay Obamacare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2pY5yEKfRk

Too funny!!!
 

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Gawd. there is still a thread on Obama from BO hater ?
It's really quite remarkable when you think about it. You have this guy from the I-4 corridor in Florida, (which by the way, is the hell-hole of the universe, nothing but malls, theme parks, condos, chain restaurants, highways, and Tea Party whackos), who comes to an escort review board in another country, totally ignores the primary function of the board, posts the most inane gibberish from the most whacked out nutblogs in all of the inter webs, only to be greeted with derision, mocked, scorned, and belittled by people from another country who clearly have a better sense of what's going on in his own country than he does.

And what does he do? He comes back for more. Go figure.

However, it all does make sense when viewed through a certain lens. Look at his handle (and overlook the fact that it's misspelled.) Where does it come from? Who was Vercingetorix? He was a barbarian chieftain, who was defeated, captured, and executed by Julius Caesar. Clearly, CS Marty has more than a bit of masochist in him.
 
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FYI: until further notice, or at least until CS "Maybe Next Time They'll Nominate a White Guy" Marty returns from whatever planet he's inhabiting, I'm taking a leave of absence from this foolish thread.

Rumps just like all promises that Liberals make YOU LIED. Your credibility is total shit. Just remember Rumps, I'm laughing my ass off at you. You couldn't keep your promise for even a short period. Pavlov would be so proud of how well I've trained you. "Sit up!" "Lay down." "roll over".......ROFLOL
 
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This is the first of a series of articles detailing how Obama has singlehandedly destroyed America's Foreign Policy. The article below details how Obama has embarrassed and caused our allies to abandon their previous trusted relationships with the US:

From Reuters on 10/22/13 By Amena Bakr and Warren Strobel

DOHA/WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:10pm EDT

DOHA/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Upset at President Barack Obama's policies on Iran and Syria, members of Saudi Arabia's ruling family are threatening a rift with the United States that could take the alliance between Washington and the kingdom to its lowest point in years.

Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief is vowing that the kingdom will make a "major shift" in relations with the United States to protest perceived American inaction over Syria's civil war as well as recent U.S. overtures to Iran, a source close to Saudi policy said on Tuesday.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan told European diplomats that the United States had failed to act effectively against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, was growing closer to Tehran, and had failed to back Saudi support for Bahrain when it crushed an anti-government revolt in 2011, the source said.

"The shift away from the U.S. is a major one," the source close to Saudi policy said. "Saudi doesn't want to find itself any longer in a situation where it is dependent."

It was not immediately clear whether the reported statements by Prince Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to Washington for 22 years, had the full backing of King Abdullah.

The growing breach between the United States and Saudi Arabia was also on display in Washington, where another senior Saudi prince criticized Obama's Middle East policies, accusing him of "dithering" on Syria and Israeli-Palestinian peace.

In unusually blunt public remarks, Prince Turki al-Faisal called Obama's policies in Syria "lamentable" and ridiculed a U.S.-Russian deal to eliminate Assad's chemical weapons. He suggested it was a ruse to let Obama avoid military action in Syria.

"The current charade of international control over Bashar's chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious. And designed not only to give Mr. Obama an opportunity to back down (from military strikes), but also to help Assad to butcher his people," said Prince Turki, a member of the Saudi royal family and former director of Saudi intelligence.

The United States and Saudi Arabia have been allies since the kingdom was declared in 1932, giving Riyadh a powerful military protector and Washington secure oil supplies.

The Saudi criticism came days after the 40th anniversary of the October 1973 Arab oil embargo imposed to punish the West for supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

That was one of the low points in U.S.-Saudi ties, which were also badly shaken by the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals.

Saudi Arabia gave a clear sign of its displeasure over Obama's foreign policy last week when it rejected a coveted two-year term on the U.N. Security Council in a display of anger over the failure of the international community to end the war in Syria and act on other Middle East issues.

Prince Turki indicated that Saudi Arabia will not reverse that decision, which he said was a result of the Security Council's failure to stop Assad and implement its own decision on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"There is nothing whimsical about the decision to forego membership of the Security Council. It is based on the ineffectual experience of that body," he said in a speech to the Washington-based National Council on U.S.-Arab Relations.

'FRIENDS AND ALLIES'

In London, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said he discussed Riyadh's concerns when he met Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal in Paris on Monday.

Kerry said he told the Saudi minister no deal with Iran was better than a bad deal. "I have great confidence that the United States and Saudi Arabia will continue to be the close and important friends and allies that we have been," Kerry told reporters.

Prince Bandar is seen as a foreign policy hawk, especially on Iran. The Sunni Muslim kingdom's rivalry with Shi'ite Iran, an ally of Syria, has amplified sectarian tensions across the Middle East.

A son of the late defense minister and crown prince, Prince Sultan, and a protégé of the late King Fahd, he fell from favor with King Abdullah after clashing on foreign policy in 2005.

But he was called in from the cold last year with a mandate to bring down Assad, diplomats in the Gulf say. Over the past year, he has led Saudi efforts to bring arms and other aid to Syrian rebels.

"Prince Bandar told diplomats that he plans to limit interaction with the U.S.," the source close to Saudi policy said.

"This happens after the U.S. failed to take any effective action on Syria and Palestine. Relations with the U.S. have been deteriorating for a while, as Saudi feels that the U.S. is growing closer with Iran and the U.S. also failed to support Saudi during the Bahrain uprising," the source said.

The source declined to provide more details of Bandar's talks with the diplomats, which took place in the past few days.

But he suggested that the planned change in ties between the energy superpower and the United States would have wide-ranging consequences, including on arms purchases and oil sales.

Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, ploughs much of its earnings back into U.S. assets. Most of the Saudi central bank's net foreign assets of $690 billion are thought to be denominated in dollars, much of them in U.S. Treasury bonds.

"All options are on the table now, and for sure there will be some impact," the Saudi source said.

He said there would be no further coordination with the United States over the war in Syria, where the Saudis have armed and financed rebel groups fighting Assad.

The kingdom has informed the United States of its actions in Syria, and diplomats say it has respected U.S. requests not to supply the groups with advanced weaponry that the West fears could fall into the hands of al Qaeda-aligned groups.

Saudi anger boiled over after Washington refrained from military strikes in response to a poison gas attack in Damascus in August when Assad agreed to give up his chemical weapons arsenal.

'A BIG MISTAKE'

Representative Chris Van Hollen, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives' Democratic leadership, told Reuters' Washington Summit on Tuesday that the Saudi moves were intended to pressure Obama to take action in Syria.

"We know their game. They're trying to send a signal that we should all get involved militarily in Syria, and I think that would be a big mistake to get in the middle of the Syrian civil war," Van Hollen said.

"And the Saudis should start by stopping their funding of the al Qaeda-related groups in Syria. In addition to the fact that it's a country that doesn't allow women to drive," said Van Hollen, who is close to Obama on domestic issues in Congress but is less influential on foreign policy.

Saudi Arabia is concerned about signs of a tentative reconciliation between Washington and Tehran, something Riyadh fears may lead to a "grand bargain" on the Iranian nuclear program that would leave Riyadh at a disadvantage.

Prince Turki expressed doubt that Obama would succeed in what he called an "open arms approach" to Iran, which he accused of meddling in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq and Bahrain.

"We Saudis observe President Obama's efforts in this regard. The road ahead is arduous," he said. "Whether (Iranian President Hassan) Rouhani will succeed in steering Iran toward sensible policies is already contested in Iran. The forces of darkness in Qom and Tehran are well entrenched."

The U.N. Security Council has been paralyzed over the 31-month-old Syria conflict, with permanent members Russia and China repeatedly blocking measures to condemn Assad.

Saudi Arabia backs Assad's mostly Sunni rebel foes. The Syrian leader, whose Alawite sect is derived from Shi'ite Islam, has support from Iran and the armed Lebanese Shi'ite movement Hezbollah. The Syrian leader denounces the insurgents as al Qaeda-linked groups backed by Sunni-ruled states.

In Bahrain, home of the U.S. Fifth Fleet, a simmering pro-democracy revolt by its Shi'ite majority has prompted calls by some in Washington for U.S. ships to be based elsewhere.

Many U.S. economic interests in Saudi Arabia involve government contracts in defense, other security sectors, health care, education, information technology and construction.

(Additional reporting by Angus McDowall and Arshad Mohammed in London, and Patricia Zengerle in Washington; Editing by Alistair Bell and Will Dunham)
 
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Take another look, Einstein. My recent response was to Gentle, not you, Bozo.

and I quote "taking a leave of absence from this foolish THREAD" Just like all liberals you're full of shit. Hell Tony has more credibility than you!!
 
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However, it all does make sense when viewed through a certain lens. Look at his handle (and overlook the fact that it's misspelled.) Where does it come from? Who was Vercingetorix? He was a barbarian chieftain, who was defeated, captured, and executed by Julius Caesar. Clearly, CS Marty has more than a bit of masochist in him.

As usual Rumps you're incorrect. Here's but a sampling of the "Vercingentorix" spellings around the internet:

http://us.fotolog.com/magno_kosmos/65091595/

http://www.greatnorthernprepper.com/the-coming-gun-ban/

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=...itle=1748&chapter=91282&layout=html&Itemid=27

http://books.google.com/books?id=QE...gQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=Vercingentorix&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=iS...QQ6AEwBDgU#v=onepage&q=Vercingentorix&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=vm...gQ6AEwDTgK#v=onepage&q=Vercingentorix&f=false

http://www.geolocation.ws/v/P/30835807/vercingentorix-statue-sc/en

http://us.fotolog.com/magno_kosmos/65091595/

http://www.miniaturasjm.com/uniformologia/uniformes-los-celtas-ii/

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/565412928187850472/

http://www.redrampant.com/2009/06/siege-of-alesia.html

Frankly I didn't feel like taking up a bunch of bandwidth just to prove the last idiot didn't do his homework when he made the initial allegation. The name has been spelled either way for hundreds of years. But as it the norm with airheaded liberals they only due the minimum of research to prove the point they wanted to make in the first place. Doesn't matter if it's wrong.

P.S. Your point several weeks ago that Obamacare and the ACA are one and the same thing apparently only highlights your total incompetence at understanding my point that the ACA had been so distorted by the POTUS that it no longer was anything like the original law. It had become Obamacare instead of the actual statute. But as usual you were looking for the bullying point rather than bother to understand the meaning of the sentence, you interpreted it on a first grade level. More towards the level of your writing.

Now for David Axelrod SPIN ON OBAMACARE: "Most People" (NOTICE NOT ALL or even near it) "Will be Able to Keep Their Plans Under Obamacare". So what rule to we apply to everything a Liberal says, "Anything referred to exactly or in the absolute that a Liberal says is not exactly or sometimes even close to the truth. Normally it's total BS". We'll call this the "Rumpletheorem" otherwise known as total BS. Here's the actual video from MSNBC (THE LIBERAL COMMUNICATIONS WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND OBAMA): http://patdollard.com/2013/10/axelrod-most-people-will-be-able-to-keep-their-plans-under-obamacare/
 
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It appears as though the President's personal propaganda network is starting to turn against him. Yes MSNBC has a report exposing Obama as the "Bystander President". Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAf0JQWM1xY#t=33
 
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Wow, things are really collapsing for the Obama Administration here and there's so much to post. But trying to keep to that once a day type of posting, I've chosen Jon Stewart for a bit of levity and because he features clips from two of the Lib's favorite news outlets (MSNBC & CNN): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYBI8Rin3g

What's really great is that I no longer have to depend on just Fox and a few European Outlets for content. It's so plentiful, just about everywhere now. The approval rating is now heading towards an all time low at -7.2 with only Rasmussen helping out Obama from sinking lower. Interestingly enough this is the same polling service that Rumps alleged was a Republican Outlet. CNN has got him at -10, as has The Economist/You Gov.
 

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I've been too busy with work to confront you in real time, CS, but I'll be doing some catch-up this weekend...now, about Obama's sinking approval ratings, you forgot to add the following:
TIME magazine online said:
Public anger at the GOP registered in polls throughout the shutdown, as their approval rating with the American public sank to the lowest level on record. With the shutdown over and public focus on the botched roll-out of Obamacare, now President Obama has joined them.

Obama’s approval rating is now 42% in an NBCNews/Wall Street Journal poll released Wednesday, an all-time low. His disapproval rating of 51% is an all-time high.

Republicans don’t come out looking any better, with only 22% of respondents saying they have a positive view of the GOP.


Read more: Obama’s Approval Rate at All-Time Low | TIME.com http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/30/obamas-approval-rate-at-all-time-low/#ixzz2jKGboQLV

One has to love your total lack of context when making your overly-dramatic postings...Yes, Obama IS falling in disapproval. Do you ever explain why? I'll help you: his lack of resolve in fighting the GOP when they mangled the proposed gun control initiative, then fumbled it when the NSA snooping scandal broke...What you fail to take into account is that people are starting to wake up and realize their president has precious little control over the military-industrial complex AND the billionaires who actually run your country...
But it was the same when Bush junior was the President, but back then he was a complete puppet for Cheney who actually made the ''decisions'' ordered by his corporate masters, including Halliburton...


So this weekend we'll be exploring how Obama has singlehandedly ''destroyed'' your country's foreign policy and relations... Really? I would have thought that it was mangled for years by the CIA's continued and unwelcomed activities for the last 6 décades as they propped up oodles of psychopathic dictators and tore down many otherwise-peaceful regimes internationally. The U.S.'s image abroad was fatally stabbed with a sai blade in the last 10 years when it invaded Irak and Afganistan under bogus pretenses, musn't forget that (those singlehandedly ensured plentiful arms and weapons purchases on a global scale for at least the next 30 years).
That Saudi Arabia is ''miffed'' at the U.S. for not quashing Syria a few months ago...well, so what? Like Israel, is the U.S. to be those two countries' attack dog whenever it is beckoned? I will remind you, it was an overwhelming majority of the U.S. population that was against any armed response against Syria. It is a great thing that Obama listened to his citizens and rethought that strategy.

Oh, and how about this little tidbit. Syria has by itself destroyed its chemical weapons factories in the last couple of days, despite the US staying on its side of the planet...?

So does that mean you were all for another pointless armed conflict in the middle east, just like it happened in Irak? What about these numbers, Iraqi casualties have numbered around 1, 455, 590 once breathing humans...

Let me repeat that: 1, 455, 590 Iraqis

So the Saudis are unhappy with the US's choice? What about the report that it just might be Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia who might be behind the chemical weapons that were used in Syria?

And you know what? You can keep referring to me as '' the last idiot'' as that pleases me to no end...

Wanna hear why? because everytime I read some new attempted political posting by yourself, I am always amazed that, for someone who tries to present himself as ''knowledgeable'' in political matters, what you truly are , in circus terms, is a mark. So sure, I'll be the idiot.
 

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Obama’s approval rating is now 42% in an NBCNews/Wall Street Journal poll released Wednesday, an all-time low. His disapproval rating of 51% is an all-time high.

I was watching a news report on the current review of the failures of the Obamacare website setup. A Republican Representative was blasting the administration for the sign-up debacle. Most of what he was saying was generally true, since he was only reporting the situation anyway, but adding a lot of vitriol to the tone. But then a disgusted Democrat pointed out something more tellingly despicable. The Republicans were really glorying in was the continuing failure to protect as many as 40 million Americans, which the Republicans themselves had targeted and done everything possible to keep going against those millions deprived through their efforts of 42 distinct votes.

Yes the sign-up is a tragic mess, but the public won't forget that is precisely the Republicans goal, and they've done everything they could to rob 40 million of health care the Republicans have guaranteed for themselves. No one is fooled by fake Republican anger, and the public isn't going to forget how the Republicans are enjoying this mess at their expense.

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Merlot
 

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P.S. the fact that you'd write such a thing really shows your abject ignorance. Nothing new so we'll add ignorant to full of shit.
I've been to your hellhole numerous times on business. One cannot get out of there soon enough. I almost pity you. I mean, I do pity you, sort of, for your miserable existence as evidenced by your endlessly returning to this page to bathe in further ridicule. The only thing I can possibly gather is that we're the only ones on Earth who will put up with you and to you ridicule is better than nothing.
 
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I've been to your hellhole numerous times on business. One cannot get out of there soon enough. I almost pity you. I mean, I do pity you, sort of, for your miserable existence as evidenced by your endlessly returning to this page to bathe in further ridicule. The only thing I can possibly gather is that we're the only ones on Earth who will put up with you and to you ridicule is better than nothing.

I see that you have the same "believability factor" as Obama. Basically you make a promise then immediately break it. THE RUMPLETHEOREM AT WORK IN ALL ITS GLORY!!! Yes, this is what your word is made of. How do you know Rumples is lying? He said or typed something.....LOL

On a more somber note this evening I've pretty much got over my gloating at Obamacare's self-destruction. In looking at my Facebook and Twitter Feeds the real pain of people having their current coverage cancelled and finding out they have to pay $150 or $300 more a month for their health insurance is starting to be very unsettling.

P.S. Rumples did any of your trips involve traveling up the St. Johns to see the Manetees? Have you ever Kayaked down the lazy Wekiva River? Tell me if you've ever spent the night in the infield of the 24hrs of Daytona? Have you ever won One Lap of Florida Endurance Rally three times in a row? How many Shuttle Flights have you seen take off at night? Have you ever tubed down the Rainbow Springs River with friends trailing each trailing a six pack chilling in the water? Gee none of those seem anything like jut hotels and tourist traps. The problem is you've never seen the real Florida. Most never have. It's about fun, it's about a feeling. The only idea you have of fun is sticking your thing in some escort each night. How empty.

P.S.S. I knew none of you could stay out of this thread. Ruff, Ruff Pavlov....LOL
 

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.S. Rumples did any of your trips involve traveling up the St. Johns to see the Manetees? Have you ever Kayaked down the lazy Wekiva River? Tell me if you've ever spent the night in the infield of the 24hrs of Daytona? Have you ever won One Lap of Florida Endurance Rally three times in a row? How many Shuttle Flights have you seen take off at night? Have you ever tubed down the Rainbow Springs River with friends trailing each trailing a six pack chilling in the water? Gee none of those seem anything like jut hotels and tourist traps. The problem is you've never seen the real Florida.
The problem is that most of the real Florida has been laid to waste, much like the hellhole area in which you live. None of the places you mention are anywhere near Orlando. Actually, Marty, I spent a year in grad school in Gainesville and have seen some of the places you mention, the redneck "sports" excluded of course. I've tubed. I've camped at Bahia Honda. I've visited the Everglades.
 

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You know, Marty, from my extensive experience with the Mall that is Florida, as a) a graduate student in Gainesville b) a businessperson working in and around the Convention Center in the hellhole that is Orlando and c) the son of a Gold Coast retiree, I'm aware that the population of Florida falls into the following categories:

a) Latinos and African Americans
b) Retirees
c) Shitkickers
d) Crackers
e) Cowards afraid of a little cold weather

Now, I know that you're not a or b as most of those in those categories are considerably more politically astute than you are. I'd always thought that you fell into category c, but now that I see you extolling the virtues of the hideous, toxic petroleum stench of the Daytona Speedway, it's now obvious that you're a cracker...and possibly a coward afraid of a little cold weather.
 
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