Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[LC18]

Je trouve ça particulièrement fâchant que plusieurs personnes continuent de défendre cette agence et leurs pratiques abusives parce qu’ils n’en n’ont pas été témoins. Il y a plusieurs personnes qui ont dénoncé et pas qu’ici mais certains hommes sur merb continuent de dire que c’est pas grave ou que c’est la faute des victimes parce qu’elles avaient juste à quitter si elles n’aimaient pas se faire battre et racketter.

Ça démontre un certain manque de discernement et d’empathie

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Je trouve ça particulièrement fâchant que plusieurs personnes continuent de défendre cette agence et leurs pratiques abusives parce qu’ils n’en n’ont pas été témoins. Il y a plusieurs personnes qui ont dénoncé et pas qu’ici mais certains hommes sur merb continuent de dire que c’est pas grave ou que c’est la faute des victimes parce qu’elles avaient juste à quitter si elles n’aimaient pas se faire battre et racketter.

Ça démontre un certain manque de discernement et d’empathie

Je ressens le même malaise que toi.. Et même si je trouve ça cool que des femmes qui travaillent en agence ont de bonnes expériences et viennent nous le dire ici, c'est plate qu'elles se sentent obligées de devoir le faire probablement par crainte de perdre du travail ou pour justifier leur choix. On ne devrait pas toujours justifier nos choix dans cette industrie et sentir cette précarité.

 

[Alicemay]

Mes expériences en agences et en salon ont toutes été négatives. Trop de clients dans la même journée de la pression coercitive pour accepter des clients que je ne voulais pas voir (personne dans l’agence voulait les voir). Pas assez de temps de pauses entre les clients. À un point ou je pleurais et la propriétaire voulais sa cut et que je fasse un autre client après ca. Je ne travaillerais plus jamais pour quelqu’un d’autre. Ils s’en foute que le client soit intoxiqué, méchant, rough, enleve le condom, soit connu pour transmettre des itss. La seule chose qui compte pour eux c’est leur argent. Que le propriétaire soit un homme ou une femme ca ne change rien ils sont dénués d’empathie et sont là pour faire du cash…

Toutes les fois que j’ai été agressé sont arrivés parce que je n’ai pas booké mes rendez-vous moi même.

Sans parler de l’atmosphère désagréable dans la salle des filles en salon. Les voles, les insultes, le parlage dans le dos non merci pu jamais.

 

[mauricevachon]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Was a client there for the entire ten years.

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

In fact, as with all agencies, most of the girls were 2-5 years older than advertised.

2. Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.
Won't say it did not happen.
Dope is everywhere.
But you did not notice it at the client level.

3. Saw zero signs of "trafficking."

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.
There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.
But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion.
Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

4. There were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

*****

Things declined somewhat during the last 2-3 years.
Escorting is an opaque business.
Over ten years, a dozen+ or so employees, hundreds of SPs .... lots of things happen.

However IMHO on the whole for most of the time it was in business (excluding Eleganza) ....

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

 

[Alicemay]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Was a client there for the entire ten years.

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

In fact, as with all agencies, most of the girls were 2-5 years older than advertised.

2. Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.
Won't say it did not happen.
Dope is everywhere.
But you did not notice it at the client level.

3. Saw zero signs of "trafficking."

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.
There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.
But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion.
Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

4. There were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

*****

Things declined somewhat during the last 2-3 years.
Escorting is an opaque business.
Over ten years, a dozen+ or so employees, hundreds of SPs .... lots of things happen.

However IMHO on the whole for most of the time it was in business (excluding Eleganza) ....

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

You’re a client not a victim…. We are repeating ourselves again and again. Trust us Ive been in the business for 12 years now so Ive seen it and I heard testimony from other people…

 

[TheJames101]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Given everything, it's funny that you felt the need to confidently make that statement in bold. It's also funny, that, given Euphoria and Forever exist... which are just as good if not better. But better and good and so on are all called into question now - so what does any of it really mean to say it's the best, anyway.
But more pertinently, you only saw the surface. You didn't see what went on behind the scenes. Do you think this article was made up? Certainly, some experiences are good, and some bad. Some exaggerations are no doubt going to happen, and some understatements as well. But to declare this agency, now taken apart by the police, as the best ever while never having peeked behind the curtain is quite the thing to do. You may be thinking with the wrong head.

 

[LeDodo]

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

Did you watch the video from the girl who reported them? She clearly says that they didn't check and care of her ID.

 

[Julia Sky]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Read the room.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.

Are yoy sure? Because Clementine said the exact opposite. They never bothered asking for her ID or age.

Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.

Maybe not visibly. Maybe you didn't notice. To believe drug use doesn't happen in an environment where women are pressured to see 10-12 clients a day is naive at best. Plenty of people can function normally on drugs. Take a look at doctors and cooks for example.

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.

I'm certain some were but where do you get 90% from? Is "appear" the key word here?


There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.

But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion. Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

Why would she have called the cops on a Montreal agency if her abuser was her bf back home in Toronto?

there were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

Plenty of people stay in abusive situations due to lack of ressources, fear and coercion

 

[Dorkhat]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Was a client there for the entire ten years.

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

In fact, as with all agencies, most of the girls were 2-5 years older than advertised.

2. Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.
Won't say it did not happen.
Dope is everywhere.
But you did not notice it at the client level.

3. Saw zero signs of "trafficking."

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.
There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.
But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion.
Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

4. There were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

*****

Things declined somewhat during the last 2-3 years.
Escorting is an opaque business.
Over ten years, a dozen+ or so employees, hundreds of SPs .... lots of things happen.

However IMHO on the whole for most of the time it was in business (excluding Eleganza) ....

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

Ouf. If be shaking right now if I was a client of theirs. Especially if you've been there for ten years and now know all this info.

Btw, you declaring you saw them here, I hope you are using a VPN. If not, gg on the easy confession

 

[Smokemeal2]

XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen

Was a client there for the entire ten years.

1. Never saw a single girl that resembled a minor.

My understanding from several girls was they checked IDs before hiring.
Not saying that a 17 year old did not sneak in.
But this would have been rare.
it was not an agency practice.

In fact, as with all agencies, most of the girls were 2-5 years older than advertised.

2. Also, never met a single XO girl who looked drugged up.
Won't say it did not happen.
Dope is everywhere.
But you did not notice it at the client level.

3. Saw zero signs of "trafficking."

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.
There was a report of a "trafficked" girl from Toronto.
But there is no indication that it was the agency doing the coercion.
Might have been a pimp BF doing it.

4. There were also many signs the girls were well treated. Many stayed for long periods of time.

*****

Things declined somewhat during the last 2-3 years.
Escorting is an opaque business.
Over ten years, a dozen+ or so employees, hundreds of SPs .... lots of things happen.

However IMHO on the whole for most of the time it was in business (excluding Eleganza) ....

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

 

[powtvani]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

According to the article, the main ring leader accused is a guy named "Sam".

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

I don't want to name anyone but as we all mentioned, the employer of XO was abusive, coercive, assaulted girls, drugged girls, threatened to out girls, etc.

I also heard that XO was different at first, like many other agencies 10-15 years ago.. Things went downhill. That's how it usually goes. An abusive workplace environement isn't established right away, kinda like an abusive relationship. I had a friend who started in the industry at a popular place before the pandemic.. The climate was already toxic back then, but it became worse and worse, with rape & trafficking allegations, minors being present etc.

Agency and spa employers aren't your friends. You're their clients, they want your money. Of course they aren't going to be an asshole to you and tell you they are abusing girls.

 

[EagerBeaver]

....XO was by far the best agency Montreal has ever seen.

My vote would go to IN and Eleganza, although Eleganza ironically suffered a similar fate to XO. I did use XO a few times, but not since 2017 or so.

All agencies tend to go downhill usually after 5 years or so. Same thing as TV shows, they "Jump the Shark."

 

[Julia Sky]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

Did you even check the article? And Clémentine's testimony?

I swear some of you are doing gymnastics to try to protect your conscience for the sake of your penis. Shame on you.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

According to the article, the main ring leader accused is a guy named "Sam".

From what friends told me it was the same person all along

 

[Julia Sky]

From what friends told me it was the same person all along

It was. I know not only from what friends told us, but also from the fact that Sam himself messaged me in recent years to ask for social media advice for his agency.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

XO girls stood out because almost all (90%+) appeared comfortable with their work.

Are you saying that because 90% of them "appeared" comfortable, it's reasonable that the remaining 10% could be abused because the majority is fine? 100% of the women working in an agency should be treated like queens and be (and not simply appear) comfortable doing their job.

Your "understanding" and what "appeared" are no facts.

Even if a client saw one provider at some point during her time with an agency, doesn't mean things didn't go downhill afterward.

But indeed, considering all the agencies in Montreal, most of the time the experience of both the provider and the client should be positive. As I said above, this story only reminds us that exploitation is closer to us than we think and as a client, you probably have met at least one girl that has been affected by the abuse and violence in her agency without knowing it.

 

[Gazoo64]

I had the same experience as you.

Because, like me, you were a client of the first version of XO. Run by Sam. He was not perfect, but everything went downhill after he had to leave.

Please, someone, correct me if we are wrong.

No, that’s not correct, according to what I heard. It’s the other way around!

He only “had to leave” after they got busted and the agency closed.

From what I heard, early on when it started 2015, XO was a decent agency.

In the last 2-3 years, it went downhill (2022-24). Drugs, orgies, forcing girls to participate in orgies and having sex, coercion, PLUS all the stuff mentioned in the article.

 

[mauricevachon]

Did you watch the video from the girl who reported them? She clearly says that they didn't check and care of her ID.

To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.

However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.

1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.

2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.

Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.

*****

Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.
Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.

She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).

Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escorte démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne

Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca

 

[Lunaseraphim]

It was. I know not only from what friends told us, but also from the fact that Sam himself messaged me in recent years to ask for social media advice for his agency.

Interesting. We also know things about agency & spa owners because they book providers including indies and tell us things or have abusive behavior toward us.. let's just put it that way.

Are you saying that because 90% of them "appeared" comfortable, it's reasonable that the remaining 10% could be abused because the majority is fine? 100% of the women working in an agency should be treated like queens and be (and not simply appear) comfortable doing their job.

Your "understanding" and what "appeared" are no facts.

Even if a client saw one provider at some point during her time with an agency, doesn't mean things didn't go downhill afterward.

But indeed, considering all the agencies in Montreal, most of the time the experience of both the provider and the client should be positive. As I said above, this story only reminds us that exploitation is closer to us than we think and as a client, you probably have met at least one girl that has been affected by the abuse and violence in her agency without knowing it.

I think it's so funny that people who have been in ''the hobby'' (lol) for a long time don't realize the pressure of clients and employers on us to act a certain way. If we look unhappy, we risk getting fired, or getting a bad review, or both.