Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[minutemenX]

My 2 cents to this extensive discussion. For me any outcall is not safe even with Indies. Anything can happen in a space you have no control off. Bad boyfriends, neighbors, gung “protectors” etc. Residential places or Airbnb are however problematic with indies as you usually must establish yourself with a girl beforehand renting for the first and probably the second meeting an expensive 5-star hotel. I disagree that massage parlors are safer especially when many are operating as incall places and LE knows that. There were also reports of cameras and microphones installed in the rooms. This leaves only agencies with outcalls as a most feasible option. It can be the safest bet if you stick to a reputable agency and a reputable middle age SP. LE can’t simply enter your private space without a warrant with a rare exception that somebody’s life is in danger.

As if it is ethical or not paying for sex. If you listen to hypocrites it is even not ethical to masturbate.

 

[chiff209]

I wonder too why they don't move at least once a year since the volume of client is high and noticeable. It's not like they accumulate a lot of furniture.

People tend to be lazy and get complacent. Things were going fine with a landlord who didn't bother them so why change things up. A new place also runs the risk of nosy neighbors or a landlord who catches on and calls the cops.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

People tend to be lazy and get complacent. Things were going fine with a landlord who didn't bother them so why change things up. A new place also runs the risk of nosy neighbors or a landlord who catches on and calls the cops.

I would think that after 3 years of your condo being as busy as a mall, the risks of neighbors calling the cops are higher. A year is short and when people start noticing you, you are already gone.

 

[chiff209]

My 2 cents to this extensive discussion. For me any outcall is not safe even with Indies. Anything can happen in a space you have no control off. Bad boyfriends, neighbors, gung “protectors” etc. Residential places or Airbnb are however problematic with indies as you usually must establish yourself with a girl beforehand renting for the first and probably the second meeting an expensive 5-star hotel. I disagree that massage parlors are safer especially when many are operated as incall places and LE knows that. There were also reports of cameras and microphones installed in the rooms. This leaves only agencies with outcalls as a most feasible option. It can be the safest bet if you stick to a reputable agency and a reputable middle age SP. LE can’t simply enter your private place without a warrant with a rare exception that somebody’s life is in danger.

It's so hard to tell which agencies are reputable. I got very close to a provider who has alternated between independent work and agency work in Montreal. Even though she was one of their top girls, and could often dictate higher rates and preferential treatment, they still booked a client with her who was on her blocked list for having attempted stealthing. The fact that this client was still allowed to book with the agency is abhorrent, on top of the fact that they let them see her.

At this point I only see independent providers or ones I've met before.

 

[chiff209]

I would think that after 3 years of your condo being as busy as mall, the risks of neighbors calling the cops are higher. A year is short and when people start noticing you, you are already gone.

Thankfully for the police criminals are often dumb.

 

[jeffmathers]

Only went once to this Agency, had a terrible time getting their. They did not tell me St. Antoine was closed, Atwater was closed as well, had to park almost at the Atwater market.
Actually really don't remember who I saw , or how much it cost. I was so pissed off, that they did not tell me this before hand, lost 20 minutes of my time for being late.

Have been for a while with Euphoria , and was told, twice when making an appointment that most of the door intercoms, had been broken by XO. To call first and go to the apartment # XXX
I guess it confirms probably true , the vandalism of XO towards Euphoria down the street.
Sorry for all the SP's who had worked their !

I heard the same

 

[Fradi]

It's so hard to tell which agencies are reputable.

None. They are all pimps and in it for the money.
XO was voted number one on Merb a few times I believe.
I wonder if that opinion has changed lol.

I will stick to Indies I have known for many years.

 

[LC18]

I wonder too why they don't move at least once a year since the volume of client is high and noticeable. It's not like they accumulate a lot of furniture.

I suppose clients would complain if they moved every year. It’s a bit like your favourite coffee shop moving every year, it sucks

 

[Flabert]

Like I said before just slightly kinder and perhaps not as violent pimps.
Yes XO SP came and left, how much blackmail and coercion was going on only they know but all indications are that there was a fair amount.

Does this make the owners “ better pimps” does this make them “ better scumbags” not in my books.
Does the fact that you were abused by your employer make these pimps better.

I worked 8 years for a company owned by someone born in the same country as I and actually a sponsor of the team I played for professionally also.
I was taken advantage of, underpayed, probably one of the worst places I ever worked in my life, yes I could have left at anytime but I learned a trade that later allowed me to travel the world, earn an amazing salary and be able to afford a much better life style for my family. I knew I had to stay and finish what I started no matter how difficult.

Having a choice to leave is not always the answer especially if the owners can blackmail you and make your life difficult . If you are a naive young woman with no back up and no one to look out for you for sure it must be extremely difficult and scary.

The crazy part here is that enforcing no minors (which I think is essential) means xo was getting full id from providers and then made it easy for them to blackmail (with full name, address, etc.)

We need legalization so everyone can work with police to stamp out minors and coercion. There is heated debate here but not sure why - everyone agrees minors and coercion have no place in this industry!

 

[chiff209]

None. They are all pimps and in it for the money.
XO was voted number one on Merb a few times I believe.
I wonder if that opinion has changed lol.

I will stick to Indies I have known for many years.

I have come to realize that wanting to run an agency is like wanting to run for president/PM. Those who want to do it are wrong for the job, and those who are right for the job would never want to do it.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

le DPCP doit avoir la conviction morale qu'un juge ou un jury pourrait raisonnablement en venir à une déclaration de culpabilité, hors de tout doute raisonnable, selon la preuve présentée.

C’est la fondation de notre système de justice

 

[Giselle Montreal]

I suppose clients would complain if they moved every year. It’s a bit like your favourite coffee shop moving every year, it sucks

Knowing I am a criminal (as a client, law wise), I would want the agency to keep a low profile and be as inconspicuous as possible.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Also, you kind of have to be naive if you think having men coming in and out of your unit every 60 mins or so won’t bring attention

Unless you rent an entire floor

 

[LeDodo]

Also, typically, when one signs a lease, they agree not to use the premises for criminal activity.

Usually everything out of just for a dwelling is excluded. Or at least they need to specify if it's a business activity.

 

[hob12]

None. They are all pimps and in it for the money.
XO was voted number one on Merb a few times I believe.
I wonder if that opinion has changed lol.

I will stick to Indies I have known for many years.

I think we got it

 

[boboi]

None. They are all pimps and in it for the money.
XO was voted number one on Merb a few times I believe.
I wonder if that opinion has changed lol.

I will stick to Indies I have known for many years.

I guess you decided to believe the myth that all Indys are ethical are you comfortable funding the life style of her BF? Is that ethical? What about degenerate families that syphon money from their escort daughters? Is that ethical?
There's still power dynamic, you still have control over her pay check, she will give you whatever version of her story that makes you the most comfortable, you will never know the truth.... sorry to bust your pink bubble.

 

[Flabert]

What happened to the units they were renting? The landlord cancelled the leases?

Also, you kind of have to be naive if you think having men coming in and out of your unit every 60 mins or so won’t bring attention

Personally if my neighbour’s door was basically a swinging door because of the traffic, I would assume they’re dealing drug

And you would tell the police those drugs must be amazing because you heard the client and the dealer scream of pleasure like they were having sex

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

you will never know the truth....

Thats the only certainty.

 

[Fradi]

I guess you decided to believe the myth that all Indys are ethical are you comfortable funding the life style of her BF? Is that ethical? What about degenerate families that syphon money from their escort daughters? Is that ethical?
There's still power dynamic, you still have control over her pay check, she will give you whatever version of her story that makes you the most comfortable, you will never know the truth.... sorry to bust your pink bubble.

Nobody is bursting my pink bubble because I don’t have one.
Where did I say that all Indy’s are ethical or can’t be bad people.
Quite frankly her BF life is not my main concern when I see them, they obviously have a life outside of escorting which is not my business.
The ones I see I have known for over 8 years so yes I believe them to be kind and nice ladies. They are to me and treat me well those are facts.
There are many indies who are drug addicts, mentally unstable and some just plain scam artists same goes for clients. I don’t have my head in the sand infact I would say that many SP, iIndy or agency have huge issues and it is part of the reason they turned to escorting.

Basically I very rarely see new ladies and the ones I do are usually recommended by the ones I have known for a long time.

 

[E.B.]

Here's a testimony from someone who worked at XO and decided to go public with their own experience:

Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escorte démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne

Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca