Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[Gazoo64]

The complaints from the neighbours is one of the real reasons that they got busted. Obviously there’s the serious stuff, like the minor that was working there, girls forced to do orgies, drugs, horrible working conditions, etc.

But I witnessed firsthand an issue with a neighbour. I was going to see an SP that I was seeing semi-regularly and I noticed the woman was standing in the corridor when I was walking to the apartment. I told the SP about it and she said something like: “don’t worry about it. She’s been asking me quite a few times why there are so many different girls that use this apartment.” WTF !?!
This should have been a WARNING sign!!

Apparently, she told the neighbour that they were college students and couldn’t afford the expensive rent, so there’s about four girls sharing an apartment. That made no sense. How can 4 ladies be living in a studio??

I don’t know if she flagged it to one of the owners or not. If it was me, I would have stopped using that unit. Move elsewhere and continue operations. If you’ve got a nosey neighbour asking questions, it’s time to move on.

In fact, if I remember correctly, they were occupying four units in that one building. So once you get a nosey neighbour on your case, she’ll tell other neighbours and then all of a sudden they catch on.

If you have a bunch of guys coming in and out those buildings every day, and different girls coming in and out, it’s not long before the neighbours catch on.

That’s greed on the owners part to continue using those units despite neighbours catching on about what was going on.

And guess what happened a few months later? I think it was in the spring time of 2023, they were renting out hotel rooms downtown and hosting from there for a couple of months. Obviously the neighbours found out, filed a complaint and they were forced to leave those units, and they eventually set up shop elsewhere. But then all the other stuff caught up with them, LE was on it and they eventually got busted.

So bad mgmt and greed caught up with them, besides obviously all the other immoral stuff that they did.

 

[transatlantic]

Lates and cancellations has consequences for any business. John's time is valuable also. As with any business, if someone is late or has frequent cancellations then there must be consequences.

The consequences is she is off the roster. Can't be "coerced" into sex work when the penalty is you are no longer being booked for sex work. Financially, lates/cancellation can modeled in; thus cost of doing business. And this isn't just "any" business. When words like "minor", "coerced", "trafficking" is in the press, it's bad business for everyone involved.

John's time is valuable also.

I hope you are not being serious. My time is valuable but I'm not going to session with someone who isn't there voluntarily. Even if some johns don't care she doesn't really want to be there, I'm pretty sure she ain't bringing her A-game into the session. Because of these reasons, I don't complaint to the booker or here on MERB when agency cancels last minute because she "has an emergency," or "has her period." If she doesn't want to be there to begin with, the session is already off to a bad start.

 

[Ducon]

I am glad I have not used an agency in a long while. I had plans to book one but now I will leave it. I will not book Indys for sure. I rather to other things. Perhaps MPs and of course there are stripclubs.

I don't think MPs are any different.
The only time someone told me they jumped ship because the boss had become abusive (because of hard drugs), it was about a MP.

 

[Johnny test]

Nobody seems very willing to give the benefit of any doubt to XO here

TBH my comments were more related to the ladies i spoke too who were previously working at XO than the article itself. I tend to trust what they said to me, especially since it was different girls at different sessions at different time of the year. As i mentioned i was not aware of everything that is in the article.
This will most likely creat another debate (but almost everything creates a debate so that's ok), but it doesn't particularly shocks me that a French speaking media doesn't feel the need to have an English version in Quebec

 

[Johnny test]

Perhaps MPs and of course there are stripclubs

Booking Military Police can be risky too

 

[transatlantic]

It's also that life happens. A lot of women are in this business because it's flexible. Many sex workers I know have to stop working for some periods of time, because they have chronic health problems, or they get burned out. If a girl is coerced to work when she's sick, possibly even sick with an STI, or in a really bad mental state that could push her to the edge, what will happen?

In the corporate world they sometimes send you home if you’re late or will deduct the missing hours from your pay but no extra fee from out of your pocket

It just shows at the end of the day, management was only interested in $$$. I'm renting X number of condos, how much $$$ can I forecast getting out them (the condos) per week/per month etc. Since cancellations cause me money, I'm just going "manage this risk" to the financial forecast by offloading it to the girl in the form of a penalty. That is a crazy business model.

I don't know when the focus really became hardcore $$$ but when XO first started 10 years ago, my ATFs from that time had positive things to say. I just forwarded article to an XO girl who was on roster in 2017 and she replied she didn't experience that.

 

[Flabert]

It just shows at the end of the day, management was only interested in $$$. I'm renting X number of condos, how much $$$ can I forecast getting out them (the condos) per week/per month etc. Since cancellations cause me money, I'm just going "manage this risk" to the financial forecast by offloading it to the girl in the form of a penalty. That is a crazy business model.

I don't know when the focus really became hardcore $$$ but when XO first started 10 years ago, my ATFs from that time had positive things to say. I just forwarded article to an XO girl who was on roster in 2017 and she replied she didn't experience that.

I think the penalties (which I knew nothing about so am not defending them) are more to incentivize the right behaviour.

One think to know is that providers who arrive late spend the day trying to get back on schedule and that makes for poor meetings: low tips, unhappy customers, etc.

Some parlors are very tolerant of women being late or cancelling and it does annoy people and hurt the provider's business.

I think a happy medium would be ideal - penalties or free for all don't seem right.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

It just shows at the end of the day, management was only interested in $$$. I'm renting X number of condos, how much $$$ can I forecast getting out them (the condos) per week/per month etc. Since cancellations cause me money, I'm just going "manage this risk" to the financial forecast by offloading it to the girl in the form of a penalty. That is a crazy business model.

I don't know when the focus really became hardcore $$$ but when XO first started 10 years ago, my ATFs from that time had positive things to say. I just forwarded article to an XO girl who was on roster in 2017 and she replied she didn't experience that.

From what I heard 10 years ago the industry was much different. And yes, of course management is mostly interested in money. When you think about it, in order to make profit, they have to cut corners as much as possible and make the girls work extremely hard in order to keep the prices low.

Massage parlors are often a different business model. it's one single building and rooms are usually rented to the client. a standardized type of service is also rarely promised. I'm shocked to hear that girls kept only 180$ doing full gfe. One hour of basic service for me was 150, and I often reached much more with extras and I never ended up giving a full gfe service. The difference with agencies is that it seems like there is better marketing, and girls are more likely to be fully booked.

I think if a company has a certain business model there is a reason for it.. there's a reason why girls are often late at their shifts at places like these. a lot of girls work too much or are on drugs. a lot of them have debts and are exhausted, are students or have other jobs.. some girls i worked with had 2 jobs and worked at the parlor all weekend, all night long for 48 hours in a row.

 

[Rabbits]

It just shows at the end of the day, management was only interested in $$$. I'm renting X number of condos, how much $$$ can I forecast getting out them (the condos) per week/per month etc. Since cancellations cause me money, I'm just going "manage this risk" to the financial forecast by offloading it to the girl in the form of a penalty. That is a crazy business model.

If we do some math they have on average 15 girls a day and the cut is 80$ and if each make 5 clients it would be 5x80x15=6,000 a day. And a month rent is about 2k?

It’s just greed at this point. I stopped using their service when all my regulars jumped ship abt 2/3y ago. Some went to other agencies some went Indy. Somehow around the same time, by magic, euphoria buzzer screen got smashed and some girls told me it was XO owner who did it when he was highly intoxicated and i hear he had drug problem from several girls. We all know hard drugs are expensive.

I’m not saying this is the real story but hearing the same story from several girls does raise red flags.

Basically to feed his own drug addiction, it’s easier to fine the girls unreasonable fees and take risk using unit with noisy neighbour

One of my regular back then told me she tried to quit but the owner threaten her to out her to her family and friends so she ended up staying for a few more months before quitting. And she was not the only one.

There was a girl who also told me the owner would have a stash of hard drug hidden in the incall for her friend when she comes to work so she can work long hours from morning till late at night. And that girl was barely legal back then. She was advertised as 19yo but who knows.

like Luna said, this article is just the tip of the iceberg what was really happening can only be worst.

 

[Rabbits]

I think the penalties (which I knew nothing about so am not defending them) are more to incentivize the right behaviour.

One think to know is that providers who arrive late spend the day trying to get back on schedule and that makes for poor meetings: low tips, unhappy customers, etc.

Some parlors are very tolerant of women being late or cancelling and it does annoy people and hurt the provider's business.

I think a happy medium would be ideal - penalties or free for all don't seem right.

Like many said above, if an employee cannot be punctual and cancel last minute. The best way is to let them go instead of charging unreasonable fees. They want to keep her around because she brings in income so instead they make her pay fees to keep working

 

[Harvey]

I wonder if these people have any association with street gangs. There was a LE sweep of low life street gangs a few years ago. On top is the Italian Mafia, then the bikers with the Hells on top of that group, then at the bottom of the heap is the street thugs. Any association with these scum will bring LE heat.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I wonder if these people have any association with street gangs. There was a LE sweep of low life street gangs a few years ago. On top is the Italian Mafia, then the bikers with the Hells on top of that group, then at the bottom of the heap is the street thugs. Any association with these scum will bring LE heat.

They are not street gangs lol street criminals don't own big bucks agencies.... it's more likely that places like this may have affiliation with the police actually, or with higher organized crime. This is probably part of why it's so difficult to dismantle them.

 

[transatlantic]

If we do some math they have on average 15 girls a day and the cut is 80$ and if each make 5 clients it would be 5x80x15=6,000 a day. And a month rent is about 2k?

It’s just greed at this point. I stopped using their service when all my regulars jumped ship abt 2/3y ago. Some went to other agencies some went Indy. Somehow around the same time, by magic, euphoria buzzer screen got smashed and some girls told me it was XO owner who did it when he was highly intoxicated and i hear he had drug problem from several girls. We all know hard drugs are expensive.

I’m not saying this is the real story but hearing the same story from several girls does raise red flags.

Basically to feed his own drug addiction, it’s easier to fine the girls unreasonable fees and take risk using unit with noisy neighbour

One of my regular back then told me she tried to quit but the owner threaten her to out her to her family and friends so she ended up staying for a few more months before quitting. And she was not the only one.

There was a girl who also told me the owner would have a stash of hard drug hidden in the incall for her friend when she comes to work so she can work long hours from morning till late at night. And that girl was barely legal back then. She was advertised as 19yo but who knows.

like Luna said, this article is just the tip of the iceberg what was really happening can only be worst.

I think they can do 10 (maybe 11) 60-minutes sessions in a given condo per day. Earliest incall starts around 9 or 10. Latest starts around 11 for XO. Let say they do try to squeeze usage out with only 15 minute break, that will give you 10-11 maximum.

Realistic there will be some underutilized times. So giving them benefit of the doubt, 8 max per day on average per condo. 8x80=$640 per day. $19,000 per month per condo unit. Don’t know how much rent costs for those units.

I seem to recall they had 4-5 units.

 

[Rabbits]

I think they can do 10 (maybe 11) 60-minutes sessions in a given condo per day. Earliest incall starts around 9 or 10. Latest starts around 11 for XO. Let say they do try to squeeze usage out with only 15 minute break, that will give you 10-11 maximum.

Realistic there will be some underutilized times. So giving them benefit of the doubt, 8 max per day on average per condo. 8x80=$640 per day. $19,000 per month per condo unit. Don’t know how much rent costs for those units.

I seem to recall they had 4-5 units.

The break from what I heard from my regular is only given to new girls. For most it was back to back

 

[CLOUD 500]

I don't think MPs are any different.
The only time someone told me they jumped ship because the boss had become abusive (because of hard drugs), it was about a MP.

You are right. I was just saying in the sense if all agencies were to disappear I would check MPs and of course stripclubs. I would not use Indys.

Like many said above, if an employee cannot be punctual and cancel last minute. The best way is to let them go instead of charging unreasonable fees. They want to keep her around because she brings in income so instead they make her pay fees to keep working

Stripclubs charge strippers a much higher bar service fee for being late. It can go to $100 sometimes. Some strippers like to come late because they go when it is max busy. But the clubs need to maintain a more equal distribution of strippers. In the case of XO, they got rent to pay for incalls. If a girl cancel then that is lost revenue. We all have situations where we must cancel but I am talking about repeat problematic girls. Clients that are repeat cancel or no shows are blocked by the agency and Indys do the same thing.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

The break from what I heard from my regular is only given to new girls. For most it was back to back

I've never heard that. That is insane honestly. When I worked at parlors we often had to do back to back, but there were down times.. and we could choose to do short shifts.

 

[transatlantic]

The break from what I heard from my regular is only given to new girls. For most it was back to back

Come to think of it, you're right in number of sessions per condo. Girl could get longer break because they may not be booked back to back but the condo can be back to back when utilized by a different girl.

10AM-11PM would be 13 hours max. Let's say 12 sessions X $80 = $960 per condo per day; $29,000 a month give or take. Rental is $2,000/month.

Not like they are paying taxes, health care, retirement plan, or other insurance. So they can clear $26-$27K per month per condo before management "salaries."

 

[terrybogard88]

Après avoir lu ceci, ça ne me surprend pas que le prix des agences soit encore en-dessous à 280$ de l'heure, et on ne peut pas ne pas abuser pour fonctionner au volume.

J'espère que ce n'est pas le cas de toutes les agences, sûrement pas, mais ces situations ne doivent pas être exceptionelles. Des mineurs et de l'abus? Ces hommes propriétaires d'agences marchent sur la ligne du proxénétisme, il n'est pas difficile de la franchir et ils ont tout mis en place pour le devenir.

On le dit toujours, dans cette industrie il faut être irréprochable pour ne pas se faire remarquer par la police. Mais, l'appât du gain...

L'appât du gain... tout converge vers cela

 

[powtvani]

I think there is a balance to be had here.

If agencies are all blood thirsty and only about the money, I highly doubt they would allow the girls to have restriction on whom they accept to meet.

Also as far as I can see, most agencies have 15 min break in between sessions which is good for both parties involved.

Hopefully the current agencies take a note of this incident and priotize the well being of girls above profitability.