Its easy on video... Not IRL (peoples hurt)

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

The US doesn't ban guns AND doesn't fund mental health supports so it's literally the worst example of what to do re: gun violence. Quick access to a mass killing tool in a nation with poor social welfare policies is a recipe for disaster and everything they're doing is a cautionary tale to the rest of the world that has already realized this kinda of hand-waving blather about "gun culture" nonsense doesn't save lives. Banning guns, on the other hand, does. Only decades of propaganda make this even remotely something people can even dispute.

A responsible person with a gun can save countless innocent lives by stopping a dangerous person with a gun before more harm is done.

What stopped the attacker in yesterday’s shooting? A gun.

Criminals don’t obey laws, so why would they obey gun bans? Violent people will always find a way to commit violence, whether it’s with a gun or something else.

What happens during a hostage situation? Do we hand the hostage-taker a copy of the law and hope they have a sudden change of heart? Do gun bans activate a magical force field that stops bullets mid-air? Does a criminal in the middle of pulling the trigger suddenly think, “wait, this is illegal”?…

Everyone hates guns until the guy with one is protecting them from the guy trying to kill them. Bad people will always exist. The real question is who stops them.

 

[twenty4seven]

A responsible person with a gun can save countless innocent lives by stopping a dangerous person with a gun before more harm is done.

What stopped the attacker in yesterday’s shooting? A gun.

Criminals don’t obey laws, so why would they obey gun bans? Violent people will always find a way to commit violence, whether it’s with a gun or something else.

What happens during a hostage situation? Do we hand the hostage-taker a copy of the law and hope they have a sudden change of heart? Do gun bans activate a magical force field that stops bullets mid-air? Does a criminal in the middle of pulling the trigger suddenly think, “wait, this is illegal”?…

Everyone hates guns until the guy with one is protecting them from the guy trying to kill them. Bad people will always exist. The real question is who stops them.

Directly from the NRA speaking points. Rubbish, the whole lot of these. The rest of the world laughs at this stupidity while people die senselessly in the US.

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

this kinda of hand-waving blather about "gun culture" nonsense doesn't save lives. Banning guns, on the other hand, does.

Did it do so in this case?

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

Directly from the NRA speaking points. Rubbish, the whole lot of these. The rest of the world laughs at this stupidity while people die senselessly in the US.

Wtf is NRA? It comes from my brain but okay. Hey I didn’t tell you that your contributions were dumb. Nonetheless, I’m used to emotional outbursts coming from people who don’t agree. Hahahah. It’s always the same fkn story.
Btw. People die senselessly everywhere all the time from violence, poor choices, DUIs, stabbings, arson etc…

 

[PatHibulaire]

A responsible person with a gun can save countless innocent lives by stopping a dangerous person with a gun before more harm is done.

What stopped the attacker in yesterday’s shooting? A gun.

Criminals don’t obey laws, so why would they obey gun bans? Violent people will always find a way to commit violence, whether it’s with a gun or something else.

What happens during a hostage situation? Do we hand the hostage-taker a copy of the law and hope they have a sudden change of heart? Do gun bans activate a magical force field that stops bullets mid-air? Does a criminal in the middle of pulling the trigger suddenly think, “wait, this is illegal”?…

Everyone hates guns until the guy with one is protecting them from the guy trying to kill them. Bad people will always exist. The real question is who stops them.

In the USA, some people push for the teachers in schools to be armed with guns, saying that to stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun. I can't understand that. That would lead to more incidents involving guns and the only good guys that I want to see having guns are the police officers. The power NRA have over politicians in the states is appaling.

 

[twenty4seven]

Did it do so in this case?

Yes, most likely. Having more guns in the hands of untrained civilians would not have made things easier or less deadly, that's for sure.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

K just googled NRA.

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

I'd prefer Swiss-style gun laws over Canadian, American or British-style gun laws. Once you agree to sallow the government to take your guns away, they can take any other rights away at their leisure. Behold the Anglosphere and lament that Charlton Heston was right.

https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

Yes, most likely. Having more guns in the hands of untrained civilians would not have made things easier or less deadly, that's for sure.

Why would a civilian be untrained? That would be totally stupid. Did you think the SPVM were trained for this situation? Heck no. Unlike the states are.

You’re talking like people aren’t trained to carry in the states. Preposterous!

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

Yes, most likely. Having more guns in the hands of untrained civilians would not have made things easier or less deadly, that's for sure.

I'd laugh if your logic wasn't so sad. Did the shooter obey the law or not?

 

[twenty4seven]

Wtf is NRA? It comes from my brain but okay. Hey I didn’t tell you that your contributions were dumb. Nonetheless, I’m used to emotional outbursts coming from people who don’t agree. Hahahah. It’s always the same fkn story.

You don't know the source of these weird talking points or why they keep spouting them while people die to gun violence to an unheard of degree? Hmm

Btw. People die senselessly everywhere all the time.

I guess it's not a big deal then, nevermind.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

In the USA, some people push for the teachers in schools to be armed with guns, saying that to stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a good guy with a gun. I can't understand that. That would lead to more incidents involving guns and the only good guys that I want to see having guns are the police officers. The power NRA have over politicians in the states is appaling.

Would you rather have a responsible adult carrying a firearm as a preventative measure, or rely on plastic chairs as makeshift shields to protect children in the event of a shooting? It’s not only in schools that these events happen also …

I’m not saying the situation isn’t sad, it absolutely is. But if there’s a way to help prevent something from happening, why wouldn’t we consider it?

It’s similar to turning right on a red light. You’re allowed to do it, but it’s still up to your judgment and discretion. The fact that you can do it doesn’t mean you won’t make a mistake or cause an accident. So what we have to ban that because one person caused an accident?

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

You don't know the source of these weird talking points or why they keep spouting them while people die to gun violence to an unheard of degree? Hmm

I guess it's not a big deal then, nevermind.

Again very emotional response. People have different point of views in case you’re not aware lmao. The source was my brain. I legit had to google NRA.

This whole collective guilt becomes problematic. If we say that ownership or existence of a tool makes everyone partially responsible for its misuse, then we blur accountability. It would imply that law-abiding citizens share moral blame for the actions of criminals simply because they exist in the same system.

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

To me, firearms are like AI. In that we've let the genie out of the bottle and now we have to live with the reality we have created. Some normies I talk to assume that I'm some sort of gun nut/collector when in reality, I actually think that gunpowder is probably the worst invention in human history. I long for the bygone era of swords, maces and battle axes before guns took all the fun out of warfare, so yeah, a big weaponry trad with a fixation for medieval combat that borders on the erotic. But because guns sadly exist, we must adapt to that reality and afford the right to responsible citizens to own them. People who favor draconian gun control laws tend to have a high level of trust in their governments. I live in an Anglosphere country, I'm the local Dale Gribble, I can't say the same for myself.

 

[twenty4seven]

Pro-gun arguments are literally the bottom of the barrel (the intellectual one, not that barrel, relax) and everyone with a couple brain cells to rub together can see that emulating what they're doing down there is obviously the wrong idea. That's why the rest of the western world doesn't do it. It would be insane to think "hmm, we have a gun violence problem, we should prob add more guns in to the mix," but there it is.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

To me, firearms are like AI. In that we've let the genie out of the bottle and now we have to live with the reality we have created. Some normies I talk to assume that I'm some sort of gun nut/collector when in reality, I actually think that gunpowder is probably the worst invention in human history. I long for the bygone era of swords, maces and battle axes before guns took all the fun out of warfare, so yeah, a big weaponry trad with a fixation for medieval combat that borders on the erotic. But because guns sadly exist, we must adapt to that reality and afford the right to responsible citizens to own them. People who favor draconian gun control laws tend to have a high level of trust in their governments. I live in an Anglosphere country, I'm the local Dale Gribble, I can't say the same for myself.

I’m not a gun person either I prefer the stabby stabs.

Well said. We gotta live in the reality that’s been created!

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

Pro-gun arguments are literally the bottom of the barrel (the intellectual one, not that barrel, relax) and everyone with a couple brain cells to rub together can see that emulating what they're doing down there is obviously the wrong idea. That's why the rest of the western world doesn't do it. It would be insane to think "hmm, we have a gun violence problem, we should prob add more guns in to the mix," but there it is.

The rest of the Western world is on the verge of anarchy and the vaunted high-trust society is becoming a thing of the past. Guns aren't the cause of that, letting the wrong people in is the cause. And the collapse of social cohesion that follows, increasing the feelings of alienation and atomization. I'd rather try my luck with a Wild West-style society like US and A than a penal colony like Australia or UK, where they send the 5-O to your house for saying the wrong thing on Twatter. I'd only have two reasons to trust any party in power to do right by me: a) I'm a senior citizen or b) I'm a "temporary" worker. And if I can't trust those who lead me, why would I trust them with being the only legitimate arbiters of violence? Not an anarcho like the shooter gave the impression of being, but also immune to the usual statist claptrap that impresses Gen X-ers.

 

[PatHibulaire]

Pro-gun arguments are literally the bottom of the barrel (the intellectual one, not that barrel, relax) and everyone with a couple brain cells to rub together can see that emulating what they're doing down there is obviously the wrong idea. That's why the rest of the western world doesn't do it. It would be insane to think "hmm, we have a gun violence problem, we should prob add more guns in to the mix," but there it is.

I did a little research and I found that 62 % of all gun related death in the states were suicides in 2024 (27583). 35% were homicides (15364). Almost 2 out of 3 are suicides? Wow. How many of those 15364 homicides were claimed to be DGU (defensive gun use) but later found to be homicides like in the case of Susan Lorincz (Google it, it is so sad) in 2023? I don't know. NRA spread so many lies, this is scary. So glad I don't live in DT's country.

Edit for a spelling mistake.

 

[Hmmm…]

The US is heavily segregated where some conditions are correct in certain situations and some not. Most problematic crime and gun crime occurs in the city/downtown and in neighborhoods of people with people of color. Middle class and even some working class people don't care what happens there or in those situations downtown (eg. at a bar at midnight) as they just go to work and come back home. There's also a more individualistic attitude and less dependence on the government sentiment which tempts even those who wouldn't want to own a gun to own a gun for protecting their home and family especially when police response may take 10-30 minutes. If you have a gun, you don't have to use it, but it just gives you another option especially when the criminal is armed. It does give some criminals pause in some areas like Texas where you can assume that every convenience clerk is armed and every third patron is also armed. There's also certain situations like during the LA riots or the recent George Floyd riots when there was no police and hoards of people looted and burned down businesses. Recall the roof Koreans

 

[Halloween Mike]

A responsible person with a gun can save countless innocent lives by stopping a dangerous person with a gun before more harm is done.

What stopped the attacker in yesterday’s shooting? A gun.

Criminals don’t obey laws, so why would they obey gun bans? Violent people will always find a way to commit violence, whether it’s with a gun or something else.

Like i said before when its harder to find a gun, it can deter some peoples from even trying. Im not worried about that italian mobster that have one. 99.9% of chances in my life i never cross path with him because im not interested in his criminal activities.

Im more concerned about a mentally unstable person having acces to one and waking up on the wrong foot one morning.

The exemple of yesterday is a very different thing. Not only was the gun used by a police officer (im ok with police having guns) but on top of that a TRAINED police officer still messed up and kill a civilian by accident. Guess what? Bet you she won't be held accountable because of the context. But change that police officer by an armed civilian and im sure he is getting prosecuted.

Yes violent peoples will always find a way to commit violence but again i rather have someone charge me with a knife rather than try to shoot me...