Its easy on video... Not IRL (peoples hurt)

[Halloween Mike]

Actually, according to latest news, the shooter distributed incel manifesto targetting women.

I saw this too but i think its stretching. Im not denying the guy may have had something against women but the ambush toward cops seem to be front center.

Im gonna be honest, i hate the term "incel" because it means "involontary celebataire" or something like that. Basically a guy that would like a girlfriend but can't have one.

Technically im kinda that ... I mean i said it often i would love to have a girlfriend and experience a relationship. But that does not mean i have something against women...

I just feel these words have been tainted to represent something very negative. Kinda like "masculinism" wich is now linked to big jerks like Andrew Tate and a terrible culture when at the core there is nothing wrong in masculinity and enjoying classic men values.

You know what i mean?

 

[mtlspacial]

I saw this too but i think its stretching. Im not denying the guy may have had something against women but the ambush toward cops seem to be front center.

Im gonna be honest, i hate the term "incel" because it means "involontary celebataire" or something like that. Basically a guy that would like a girlfriend but can't have one.

Technically im kinda that ... I mean i said it often i would love to have a girlfriend and experience a relationship. But that does not mean i have something against women...

I just feel these words have been tainted to represent something very negative. Kinda like "masculinism" wich is now linked to big jerks like Andrew Tate and a terrible culture when at the core there is nothing wrong in masculinity and enjoying classic men values.

You know what i mean?

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Myself, more or less, was in the same boat at the end of my teens and beginning of my 20's. No success whatsoever. But it was mostly me being shy and lacked confidence. Of course, I envied more successful guys.

But, it wasn't a reason to become mysogenistic like these men. To the contrary, I always stayed philogynistic.

The internet now permits them to join and feed off each other.

I may simplify things too much (and some will disagree with me), but my point of view is that masculinists influencers now fill the void because society has gotten too politically correct and young men don't have access to moderate role models to ground them, so they are stuck with toxic and extremist mysoginics. They have always existed, but now they have podcasts and message boards to spread their hate.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

But, it wasn't a reason to become mysogenistic like these men. To the contrary, I always stayed philogynistic.

The internet now permits them to join and feed off each other.

I may simplify things too much (and some will disagree with me), but my point of view is that masculinists influencers now fill the void because society has gotten too politically correct and young men don't have access to moderate role models to ground them,

I relate and understand a lot to what you say.

Funny enough in my case i always been drawn to "love story". 10/15 years ago it was more in the raunchy comedies like American Pie, Take me home tonight and others in the vein. The last 5/8 years i actually gotten into plain romantic comedies a lot more and enjoyed them wich always make my friends (including women) find it funny as they think im "quetaine" lol.

I never felt hate toward love or couples in general. Quite the contrary. I know im not getting younger but maybe one day it will happen. Im in a weird spot where im self aware im socially awkward and lack confidence while also understanding human psych quite well. A paradox in a way. Lol

And yeah im not gonna lie i did my share of "b#tching" toward society becoming "too woke" at some point. But again i never wanted to embrace the other extreme. If anything i never leaned toward any extremes.

I feel the swift spot is always in the middle and dialogue is key.

"Boys will be boys" can exist while also learning respect and consent. Chivalry can also co-exist with "independant women".

My own moral compass always been on valuying life and working toward the greater good while also enjoying life and its many pleasures.

Exemple being our own "hobby" that is illegal in theory. But is it wrong? Only if peoples lean it toward the dark side. It can be both good and bad. Depends on behaviors.

 

[mtlspacial]

"Boys will be boys" can exist while also learning respect and consent. Chivalry can also co-exist with "independant women".

Amen!

 

[LeDodo]

I unfortunately know the place very well because I got friends visiting and I am sending and getting them by car from the hotel for the past few days.

I sent them back to the hotel yesterday night ...

A while ago just sent my friends back to the hotel.

Since this morning they have been stucked in the hotel. Police didn't let them go out of their room and asked them to close all the curtains.
They initially went into each room to try to find the gunner. The rooms with people could opened it otherwise they had forced opened the ones without response.
Only at around 5pm they were allowed to get out to finally drink and eat as they were not allowed to leave their room.
But after their first meal of the day when they tried to go back to their room they were not allowed to ...
So they stayed at my place while we were trying to get a hold of hotel reception to no avail.
So we decided to try our luck and I drove them nearby the hotel which the close proximity was still closed down.

And by foot they went back to the hotel to see if they could go in.

Luckily they were able to ...

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

"Boys will be boys" can exist while also learning respect and consent. Chivalry can also co-exist with "independant women".

In an effort to lighten the mood but an iota, an episode of the King of the Hill (Henri pis sa Gang) revival was centered around that. Hank Hill's younger brother G.H. who is in his teens became very interested in this very masculine motivational speaker who was obviously based on Andrew Tate and Hank attended one of the guy's seminars with G.H. And there was an instance where the men there were airing their frustrations and Hank said something along the lines of understanding their grievances, but it was time to bring some chivalry back.

Sadly, I'm not optimistic as to seeing something like that happen. Such concepts will be seen as too old-fashioned by all sides involved and society will keep degenerating into aggressive tribalism instead of trying to show some restraint and moderation. "Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world" (W.B. Yeats). I honestly believe it's by design and "controlled collapse" but don't wish to turn the thread into blackpilled doomerposting and apocalyptic prophecy.