Is it me or PSE/GFE means nothing these days?

[Lunaseraphim]

Honestly I advertise myself as a GFE provider but I sometimes get clients who are looking for a PSE experience for cheaper... I generously offer cimsw on top of all the usual acronyms included in GFE (yes bbbj, dfk, daty etc) but that doesn't mean I secretly want this type of booking. Cause I don't.

Things I associate with PSE: greek, FF, dirty talking and insulting, very rough sex, hair pulling, slapping, choking etc. I'm saying that because this is what you see in a lot of hardcore porn. And I think a lot of providers who offer PSE would never allow some of the things I just mentioned.

I think as a client you have to be the one being honest about what your needs are, learn to read the room and avoid asking for services that aren't clearly advertised. Obviously I'm not talking about providers promising one thing as an advertising tactic and then you find out they don't actually provide these services in person..

It's not because we're being paid that we're not allowed to have boundaries.

 

[kstanb]

When PSE is offered, I see it more like an invitation to open the discussion on what PSE activities she likes and to define if some of our kinks match or not
if they don't match I would stick to GFE; which is a lot more homogeneous in terms of what it means

 

[Lunaseraphim]

When PSE is offered, I see it more like an invitation to open the discussion on what PSE activities she likes and to define if some of our kinks match or not
if they don't match I would stick to GFE; which is a lot more homogeneous in terms of what it means

I think that's really good practice honestly. Because of the reasons mentioned above I often ask new clients what their expectations are before a booking because not everyone asks questions or says what they're looking for. That way we're both on the same page.

 

[Enjoying life]

Honestly I advertise myself as a GFE provider but I sometimes get clients who are looking for a PSE experience for cheaper... I generously offer cimsw on top of all the usual acronyms included in GFE (yes bbbj, dfk, daty etc) but that doesn't mean I secretly want this type of booking. Cause I don't.

Things I associate with PSE: greek, FF, dirty talking and insulting, very rough sex, hair pulling, slapping, choking etc. I'm saying that because this is what you see in a lot of hardcore porn. And I think a lot of providers who offer PSE might not even allow would never allow some of the things I just mentioned.

I think as a client you have to be the one being honest about what your needs are, learn to read the room and avoid asking for services that aren't clearly advertised. Obviously I'm not talking about providers promising one thing as an advertising tactic and then you find out they don't actually provide these services in person..

It's not because we're being paid that we're not allowed to have boundarie

Honestly I advertise myself as a GFE provider but I sometimes get clients who are looking for a PSE experience for cheaper... I generously offer cimsw on top of all the usual acronyms included in GFE (yes bbbj, dfk, daty etc) but that doesn't mean I secretly want this type of booking. Cause I don't.

Things I associate with PSE: greek, FF, dirty talking and insulting, very rough sex, hair pulling, slapping, choking etc. I'm saying that because this is what you see in a lot of hardcore porn. And I think a lot of providers who offer PSE might not even allow would never allow some of the things I just mentioned.

I think as a client you have to be the one being honest about what your needs are, learn to read the room and avoid asking for services that aren't clearly advertised. Obviously I'm not talking about providers promising one thing as an advertising tactic and then you find out they don't actually provide these services in person..

It's not because we're being paid that we're not allowed to have boundaries.

Its
like my SP says, “Just ask, as it’s yes or no! Always be kind!

 

[RayaMaven]

Honestly having the "whats on your menu" question is such a turn off for me. I do so many things, it would take me a good 15 minutes to write it all. And then during the date, I'd have to remember that the client picked GFE, so I can't slowly take the whole dick down my throat even if its the perfect size. Absolutely hate it. So I got rid of GFE or PSE all together. I call my rate all inclusive. I truly hope this is understood as "Everything" is included. (of course, no BBFS as we all know) But l cannot be bothered to remember that xyz is not included so i'd have to stop myself in the moment. I find it so much more fun when I can see the vibe of the client and give exactly what the chemistry produces. Nice, slow cuddly, more performance or anything in between(with consent of course)

At the same time, I understand that as a client you'd want to know if the things you are looking for are possible. In my opinion the best way is to just say, "I love deep french kissing, bare blow job and would love to lick your feet" and most likely the provider will say what she thinks would be fun to do and adjust her rate if need be. If that provider is me, I will most likely still lick your balls too, --after asking you if I can.

 

[DetectiveDavidMills]

Honestly having the "whats on your menu" question is such a turn off for me. I do so many things, it would take me a good 15 minutes to write it all. And then during the date, I'd have to remember that the client picked GFE, so I can't slowly take the whole dick down my throat even if its the perfect size. Absolutely hate it. So I got rid of GFE or PSE all together. I call my rate all inclusive. I truly hope this is understood as "Everything" is included. (of course, no BBFS as we all know) But l cannot be bothered to remember that xyz is not included so i'd have to stop myself in the moment. I find it so much more fun when I can see the vibe of the client and give exactly what the chemistry produces. Nice, slow cuddly, more performance or anything in between(with consent of course)

At the same time, I understand that as a client you'd want to know if the things you are looking for are possible. In my opinion the best way is to just say, "I love deep french kissing, bare blow job and would love to lick your feet" and most likely the provider will say what she thinks would be fun to do and adjust her rate if need be. If that provider is me, I will most likely still lick your balls too, --after asking you if I can.

 

[dagreatness]

I was thinking the same thing

 

[CuriousGent]

Another description i see that is used frequently is open minded service or generous service, i feel like this could have a different meaning depending on the SP

 

[EastWind]

GFE has been a questionable acronym since way back to 2007. There was an SP who called herself Senusual Cleo. Nothing sensual mind you. She didn’t do it to me but she did it to few others. She was all safe GFE but to a real extreme. As time went on she wouldn’t even give you a handjob unless it is covered. This was brought up here in Merb by many who saw her. This pissed her off I guess as she has anger management issues and she immediately declared NRP. Yet I think she changed her stance down the line as she was not getting any bookings.

Also the girl can change her tune at any moment. Just because she is willing to do something the first time does not mean this will be the next. First time I saw Gabrielle Luv she gave a real amazing head focused bare BJ. The next time I saw her thinking it will be a repeat she went and stated that she only go CBJ. After that never saw her again.

 

[urquell]

GFE has been a questionable acronym since way back to 2007. There was an SP who called herself Senusual Cleo. Nothing sensual mind you. She didn’t do it to me but she did it to few others. She was all safe GFE but to a real extreme. As time went on she wouldn’t even give you a handjob unless it is covered. This was brought up here in Merb by many who saw her. This pissed her off I guess as she has anger management issues and she immediately declared NRP. Yet I think she changed her stance down the line as she was not getting any bookings.

Also the girl can change her tune at any moment. Just because she is willing to do something the first time does not mean this will be the next. First time I saw Gabrielle Luv she gave a real amazing head focused bare BJ. The next time I saw her thinking it will be a repeat she went and stated that she only go CBJ. After that never saw her again.

Safe GFE is a bullshit term invented as market speak to pretend to offer a service without really offering it.

 

[ChloeCoeur]

This pissed her off I guess as she has anger management issues and she immediately declared NRP. Yet I think she changed her stance down the line as she was not getting any bookings.

What is NRP?

 

[Jacobisrael]

What is NRP?

No review policy

 

[LC18]

Safe GFE is a bullshit term invented as market speak to pretend to offer a service without really offering it.

I mean it’s good that exists in my opinion because imagine if it didn’t and people just advertised GFE but didn’t offer what YOU consider GFE. Wouldn’t you be more disappointed? At least if you read safe GFE you can expect CBJ

 

[urquell]

I mean it’s good that exists in my opinion because imagine if it didn’t and people just advertised GFE but didn’t offer what YOU consider GFE. Wouldn’t you be more disappointed? At least if you read safe GFE you can expect CBJ

Well, no, not really..If you mean cbj and want to offer cbj then just say cbj. clear, simple, easy. Or "everything safe" or "everything covered" as many girls do. Using GFE in any context here is being disingenuous.

This topic is a particular irritant to me for some reason, and I'm not even sure I can tell you why, given all that happens in this world. GFE means BBBJ and DFK, like you would get from your girlfriend. Period. That's what it means. For anyone who have traveled through the hobby as I have while the term was being popularized that's all it's ever going to mean, and anything else is deceptive marketing. Most of the SPs here either weren't working or weren't alive when the term emerged, so perhaps the meaning is lost there, but that's what it is. It's not MY version, it's THE version.

Somewhere along the line people discovered that GFE was a popular and saleable term and they started to look for ways to incorporate it into their spiel. It has been reimagined and reinterpreted and remarketed with the skill of a 5 term politician to mean anything that the seller wants it to mean, but just because they present it that way doesn't make it so. Blue is blue. Purple is not blue just because there's some blue in it. Same applies to GFE. You can't even say it's just an evolving term (well, maybe in Montreal it is) because that's still what it means in most places. The most charitable way to put it is that it's a local cultural interpretation but even that doesn't fly because there's no local agreement on what it means, just individual marketing.

Now, I'm not operatimg a business that incorporates GFE, but if I was I would be trying to manipulate the term to try to get more clients too. Every car salesman does it It's just business, and it makes sense to try to leverage it, but it doesn't make it so.

Safe GFE is just bullshit as a term, and even generally contradicts itself as a term. Girlfriend Experience. How many boyfriends have girlfriends in a normal couple relationship where the girl says "sorry honey, we need to be safe before I can blow you. Put on a condom please". I'm not saying it's impossible..There's probably a couple of poor, miserable fuckers out there who have girlfriend with a fear of splooge or whatever that may ask for it, but it's not normal and it's not common and for sure as shit shouldn't be advertised as "girlfriend experience", lest men decide never to have girlfriends again. lol

Sorry, lengthy rant over. Like I said, this topic bugs me.

 

[Jacobisrael]

Well, no, not really..If you mean cbj and want to offer cbj then just say cbj. clear, simple, easy. Or "everything safe" or "everything covered" as many girls do. Using GFE in any context here is being disingenuous.

This topic is a particular irritant to me for some reason, and I'm not even sure I can tell you why, given all that happens in this world. GFE means BBBJ and DFK, like you would get from your girlfriend. Period. That's what it means. For anyone who have traveled through the hobby as I have while the term was being popularized that's all it's ever going to mean, and anything else is deceptive marketing. Most of the SPs here either weren't working or weren't alive when the term emerged, so perhaps the meaning is lost there, but that's what it is. It's not MY version, it's THE version.

Somewhere along the line people discovered that GFE was a popular and saleable term and they started to look for ways to incorporate it into their spiel. It has been reimagined and reinterpreted and remarketed with the skill of a 5 term politician to mean anything that the seller wants it to mean, but just because they present it that way doesn't make it so. Blue is blue. Purple is not blue just because there's some blue in it. Same applies to GFE. You can't even say it's just an evolving term (well, maybe in Montreal it is) because that's still what it means in most places. The most charitable way to put it is that it's a local cultural interpretation but even that doesn't fly because there's no local agreement on what it means, just individual marketing.

Now, I'm not operatimg a business that incorporates GFE, but if I was I would be trying to manipulate the term to try to get more clients too. Every car salesman does it It's just business, and it makes sense to try to leverage it, but it doesn't make it so.

Safe GFE is just bullshit as a term, and even generally contradicts itself as a term. Girlfriend Experience. How many boyfriends have girlfriends in a normal couple relationship where the girl says "sorry honey, we need to be safe before I can blow you. Put on a condom please". I'm not saying it's impossible..There's probably a couple of poor, miserable fuckers out there who have girlfriend with a fear of splooge or whatever that may ask for it, but it's not normal and it's not common and for sure as shit shouldn't be advertised as "girlfriend experience", lest men decide never to have girlfriends again. lol

Sorry, lengthy rant over. Like I said, this topic bugs me.

Man that is spot on! For the record I have seen many non gfe but at least at the the time most would be upfront about it. But if you pay gfe rates (which are more expensive than non gfe) you should have gfe service period. If not then the provider is a scammer. There was one girl that I saw that was non gfe. She actually thought gfe was bringing her to the restaurant and coming back home lol! As you said I have been here for 10 years and still see how that word has lost meaning. I’m sure you see it even more than me. Many came 3 years ago or less and try to tell us what’s up! Lol. It’s a really important subject. It happened twice that I declined kissing on a gfe session but that’s on me and provider was ok with it but they are honest and offer it to other clients. If people don’t like that subject then too bad.

 

[philonius]

I guess I just started too late to know what it used to be like so I never think GFE to mean anything other than a style of service, as opposed to an umbrella term that covers a bunch of other acronyms. GFE being closer to civilian intimacy, PSE more like what you see on pornhub, but nothing being guaranteed or set in stone until I've confirmed it with them personally. Some of my girlfriends would fuck without a condom (eventually, and on BC ofc), some did anal, some liked to get freaky, and some didn't like giving head at all and the only common denominator is that they all were unable to decide where they wanted to go out for dinner.

If you're unsure, just ask, or go with someone who announces all the specific acronyms you're looking for, but be prepared to miss out on some really awesome experiences just bc you're looking to BBBJCIMSW or whatever the fuck you're looking to do to someone random.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I guess I just started too late to know what it used to be like so I never think GFE to mean anything other than a style of service, as opposed to an umbrella term that covers a bunch of other acronyms. GFE being closer to civilian intimacy, PSE more like what you see on pornhub, but nothing being guaranteed or set in stone until I've confirmed it with them personally. Some of my girlfriends would fuck without a condom (eventually, and on BC ofc), some did anal, some liked to get freaky, and some didn't like giving head at all and the only common denominator is that they all were unable to decide where they wanted to go out for dinner.

If you're unsure, just ask, or go with someone who announces all the specific acronyms you're looking for, but be prepared to miss out on some really awesome experiences just bc you're looking to BBBJCIMSW or whatever the fuck you're looking to do to someone random.

I think that's what is so confusing to most people about the term GFE, everyone does different things with their girlfriends. I call myself a GFE provider because it's my style of service, it involves an emotional aspect and tenderness, but I have an all inclusive rate which involves certain things that typically fall under the PSE umbrella. However the way I see GFE is it's more tender and gentle, and PSE is more rough. I have to say, if a new SP asked me for advice and she didn't want to offer say bbbj, I would never advise she advertises herself as a GFE companion, because it would be expected of her. I'm talking about a style of service but I'm not stupid, I know that for clients GFE means kissing, daty and bbbj are automatically included.

I have mixed feelings about the term ''safe GFE'', I'm not sure if it serves anyone to use that term as it seems to be new and it seems to be making certain people very angry lol. There are definitely clients who are looking for safer services and an experience of tenderness and intimacy which involves kissing etc, but it's not extremely common. ''Safe GFE'' feels kinda judgemental in some ways, it's controversial among providers as well, because it's a lot harder to find clients if you only offer ''safe services'' in Montreal. However I think using ''safe GFE'' as an advertising tactic isn't the same as pretending you offer services and not actually ever offering them.

 

[Rebaynia]

I guess I just started too late to know what it used to be like so I never think GFE to mean anything other than a style of service, as opposed to an umbrella term that covers a bunch of other acronyms. GFE being closer to civilian intimacy, PSE more like what you see on pornhub, but nothing being guaranteed or set in stone until I've confirmed it with them personally. Some of my girlfriends would fuck without a condom (eventually, and on BC ofc), some did anal, some liked to get freaky, and some didn't like giving head at all and the only common denominator is that they all were unable to decide where they wanted to go out for dinner.

If you're unsure, just ask, or go with someone who announces all the specific acronyms you're looking for, but be prepared to miss out on some really awesome experiences just bc you're looking to BBBJCIMSW or whatever the fuck you're looking to do to someone random.

It is a style of service.
It's more than a list of acronyms.
Someone can easily offer those acronyms, and it in no way has any feeling that makes it feel any less transactional. It used to mean the difference between transactional and intimate service.

Whenever someone asks me for full gfe, I make them explain to me what the term means to them, and let them know what it is to me.

It is an expierience that doesn't feel like you are paying someone to do a job of satisfying you, but someone who is enjoying being with you.

Even as a gf. My relationships didn't get a best bj without condom, because I avoided their cum, it was to get them hard, and move on to get to f*ing, not to get them to cum. I am the same person with those I meet, that I was in my relationships. You want it longer then just to get hard. It is going to get covered so I don't have to taste your excitement.

(Not your, I'm just venting my point. That what a client wants as a bj, is not what a bf is likely going to get as a bj.)

And it became cbjs because too many clients thought they would pull a fast one, and even though I made it a point NO CIM, they would try to get away with it anyways, leading me to just advertise as cbj, and bbbj is very much a YMMV, to only a very select few, and even for them they know there is a difference between before condom is applied, and after. After, I'm going to town because I know damn well if I get them to cum, I won't have to taste it, there is a barrier, so I can get them as excited as possible with no undesired consequence to me, and to their greater pleasure.

Yes with cbj, those I see get better bjs then the relationships I have had, because them not cuming, purposely avoiding them getting that excited was the goal.

Edited to add: mind you I also don't charge inflated GFE rates. My rates keep in mind that I have restrictions that those who charge more offer within their price. I don't ask for enough to include the risk involved.