Hockey Canada sex assault scandal

[EagerBeaver]

That's possible but you're speculating. The media is not allowed to report the reason for the mistrial. The only thing that has been reported is that: "...Wednesday afternoon, Carroccia told jurors that something had happened over the lunch hour that she needed to think about and discuss with the lawyers." That implies that something happened outside of the court proceedings, not during the trial.

Well, all we can do is speculate. But since you added that piece of information, what likely happened during the lunch hour is someone overheard an inappropriate conversation with a juror. The only possible "out of the court proceedings" reason for a mistrial would be improper tampering or contact with a juror. And it then got reported to the Judge. Either the Court reporters, clerks or marshals could have been the reporters. They are all advised to report any such transgressions to the Court. Jurors are specifically told not to talk about the case when they are adjourned for the lunch hour.

Most courts have separate special elevators for the jurors so they are segregated from the public so that the chances of having such a conversation or overhearing something they should not overhear are lessened. I am not familiar with these London courts. I don't know how they are set up.

 

[CaptRenault]

From an article in Friday’s Toronto Star: “it was all consensual.” It will be hard for the prosecution to get past that statement on video by the complainant.

The complainant said on video that “it was all consensual”
Smiling and wrapping herself in a towel, the woman was recorded in the hotel room on McLeod’s phone around 4:26 a.m. on June 19 saying “it was all consensual,” about 20 minutes before she’s seen on camera leaving the hotel.
“Are you recording me? OK, good, it was all consensual,” says the woman on the video, which was shown to the jury on Wednesday. “You are so paranoid, holy. I enjoyed it. It was fine. It was all consensual. I am so sober, that’s why I can’t do this right now.”
In a shorter video recorded at 3:25 a.m., a voice off-camera asks the woman if she’s “OK with this” and she replies: “I’m OK with this.”
Both recordings were turned over to London police by McLeod in July 2018.

 

[Doc Holliday]

From an article in Friday’s Toronto Star: “it was all consensual.” It will be hard for the prosecution to get past that statement on video by the complainant.

Not only do they have it on two videos that she was consenting & even enjoyed it but even the prosecutor said in her opening statement that the jury will hear testimony that she was even asking some guys to have sex with her. I know that some people will be shocked to hear the explicit details of what went on however from what i’ve read & heard what is alleged to have happened isn’t much different than what i’ve seen happen at some sex parties & swingers clubs. I’d even say it’s tamer considering it now looks like only 1 or 2 guys actually had sex with her including the guy she had initially consented to have sex with! It seems like a few guys kept their clothes on & only got a bj…if i’d see this in a sex club i’d say it’s pretty fucking lame! And they seem to want to make a big deal that Cal Foote slapped her ass! I mean geez! I’m not saying that she deserved to have what happened to her is right & that she may have made some bad choices due to her excessive drinking. But who knows if she was really that intoxicated? That will likely never be proven according to what i’ve read. She even said on one of the videos that she was sober. And the guys were drinking also. One guy who plays for the Capitals testified the other day that he barely remembers anything from that night other than briefly stopping by that room to get something & only remembered seeing her sitting or lying on the bed with two guys & doesn’t remember if he spoke with her or if she was dressed or naked. Why? Probably because he was hammered! I dunno. I can’t see how a jury of 12 people will vote to convict any of these guys. Mikie Mcloud may get something but i doubt it. They had consented sex & then he invited other guys to join them. But he’ll likely testify that she’s the one who suggested it or agreed to it. It’ll basically be who you believe & if you believe that she was as drunk as she now claims how can you believe her? Where’s the proof? On top of that i read that she will not be testifying. If true how the hell can you convict any of them if the alleged victim won’t even be testifying?

I’m not taking sides here i’m simply asking questions that i have about the case & the true reasons why they chose to press charges. This only happened after it was found out that Hockey Canada had a secret slush fund to silence accusers in alleged sex crimes by junior hockey players over decades. The real scandal is there. For me it seems that they picked to prosecute this case in order to shock the public & make an example of the players involved. Unfortunately i believe that the alleged victim’s well being was the last thing that concerned the prosecution.

 

[Nachoy]

Sounds like she initially consented to have sex with Mikey macloud Then afterwards Mikey, texts “three way” want “gummer” to his team and 10 other dudes show up. Probably can’t control the crowd when that many dudes wanting sex or wanting to see sex.
Three players receive oral sex from her ( Dube, Macloud and Hart)
Two players had vagina sex ( Formenton and Macloud )
Foote didn’t slap her butt, it was Dube.
Foote did graze his genitals by her face doing the splits. Not sure what Foote did was considered sexual assault
There going be more details coming out how she ended up on the bathroom floor and having sex there.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Sounds like she initially consented to have sex with Mikey macloud Then afterwards Mikey, texts “three way” want “gummer” to his team and 10 other dudes show up. Probably can’t control the crowd when that many dudes wanting sex or wanting to see sex.
Three players receive oral sex from her ( Dube, Macloud and Hart)
Two players had vagina sex ( Formenton and Macloud )
Foote didn’t slap her butt, it was Dube.
Foote did graze his genitals by her face doing the splits. Not sure what Foote did was considered sexual assault
There going be more details coming out how she ended up on the bathroom floor and having sex there.

That’s her version. But from experience there are always two sides to a story or in this case likely many sides. By the way you’re correct in that it was Dube who slapped her ass & not Foote. Something i’ve enjoyed doing myself during sex when the girl had a great ass but that’s another story. Lol

The girl started testifying today. We didn’t learn much from her testimony that we didn’t already know. My guess is that things won’t get easier for her once the defence attorneys start questioning her. Her entire sexual history is about to be told to the world. How many of her skeletons will he uncovered? Had she ever done threesomes in the past? Was this the first time she was in a gangbang? Does she watch porn? Has she ever watched gangbangs & was it ever a fantasy of hers? Did she ever say no? Did she ever show indications that she felt insecure or that she wasn’t comfortable doing this? So many personal & embarrassing questions will be asked by their lawyers. She will likely be shamed. She will be made to appear like the biggest slut who ever walked the streets in London, Ontario! They may even call to testify several of her former lovers!

Anyways whatever the outcome of the trial i still say it’ll never a case that will be extremely difficult to convict in front of a jury of her peers. It wouldn’t surprise me if by the end of the trial that the players will now be looked upon as victims. I mean is it fair for a player like Carter Hart & Dillon Dube to lose millions & their entire NHL career for getting a blowjob? Especially when they were invited to receive a blowjob & the girl even asked them to have sex with her? We shall see!

 

[EagerBeaver]

The consent issue blurs under these facts. If you consent to sex with one man and then 10 others make an entrance on the scene, perhaps because they were called by the initial man, I can see where consensual sex can go to "WTF is this?"