Of those 4 I've only seen you and Nora and I'd be a desiccated corpse with an erection if I wasn't 6 hours away from you both.
Have you ever met a SP that you were hyped up for but then met her & felt so disappointed?
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As for me I didn't meet Savanna but can certainly vouch for the 3 other soul suckers lol
can u please explain what PSE is to you then if your GFE includes cimsw and cof?I only charged 350$h until very recently. If you have certain expectations you have to tell the SP before, not everyone wants the same thing.
Also, it's very clear in all my ads that I offer a GFE service.. not PSE, even if I offer cimsw, cob and cof. sometimes people don't read carefully and it causes problems because they are expecting an experience I just don't offer.
Same.. it makes me sad when clients are disappointed but I wish I knew exactly what went wrong so I can get better in the future..
Honestly for a lot of clients PSE includes anal, face fucking, deep throat, rough sex, dirty talking and stuff like that. It's more about the energy of the booking too. I've had to explain this several times and I think it's pretty clear what I have to offer.
Anyways the moral of the story is : if you don't want an underwhelming experience, say what you want and ask the right questions.
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Ahh gotcha. idc about anal, but I kind of assumed if a sp is down with cimsw shes down with DT and FF...which is kind of illogical in hindsight
I literally cant enjoy any CIM/COF/CIMSW service because i just can’t reach the finish line last time was Feb, 2025 but those services are something id enjoy. But im not looking for PSE
but those services are something id enjoy. But im not looking for PSE
It is illogical, yeah..
I only add cimsw to my service because I'm down with it and many enjoy it, but that doesn't mean someone can try to dominate me or that I'm going to put on a full porn star show. I'm very open about the fact that I'm not a porn star.
I think this is getting off topic. I'll let the boys go back to talking about their disappointing experiences
I so get that. Took me a long time and an awful lot of tries before I landed on two... Now down to one unfortunately
After becoming a regular to an agency, Usually when the bookers recommend a particular girl to me, they were usually on the spot. But this one time I was so wrong. And that was on me, I didn’t do my homework. She had stellar reviews in the first few pages and they were mostly poor by the end. I should’ve had a quick check before booking her
Physically she was my type
Exotic looking check, late 20s check, speaks English check a bit too skinny for my taste but very leans and has strong shoulder and legs.
As usual I offer to take her coat, offer her a glass of wine, some snacks and get to know her. It was also a counselling session, her complicated relationship with her bf who was also a client. It gets really heavy and I guess we will not do anything else that night.
At one point she grabbed the vodka bottle in my room and chug it and starts to chug every booze available. I was worried about her well-being more than anything else. Texted the agency to pick her up asap and tried my best to stop her from a potential alcohol poisoning. That girl was small but she was strong and I can barely stop her.
Then suddenly she told me to get undressed we need to do the deed now and start to take off her clothes. I told her it’s fine we don’t have much time left and her driver should come soon to pick her up. Then she started crying and accuse me I find her ugly just like her client bf and that’s why he is still paying other women to sleep with them.
I was praying the driver to come and it took him sometime to show up.
The agency apologized and offered to credit me a free session next time.
Physically she was my type
Exotic looking check, late 20s check, speaks English check a bit too skinny for my taste but very leans and has strong shoulder and legs.
As usual I offer to take her coat, offer her a glass of wine, some snacks and get to know her. It was also a counselling session, her complicated relationship with her bf who was also a client. It gets really heavy and I guess we will not do anything else that night.
At one point she grabbed the vodka bottle in my room and chug it and starts to chug every booze available. I was worried about her well-being more than anything else. Texted the agency to pick her up asap and tried my best to stop her from a potential alcohol poisoning. That girl was small but she was strong and I can barely stop her.
Then suddenly she told me to get undressed we need to do the deed now and start to take off her clothes. I told her it’s fine we don’t have much time left and her driver should come soon to pick her up. Then she started crying and accuse me I find her ugly just like her client bf and that’s why he is still paying other women to sleep with them.
I was praying the driver to come and it took him sometime to show up.
The agency apologized and offered to credit me a free session next time.
I think Mtl is just the best city in N. America for this stuff...so its a "buyer's market"
Add to that the lower cost of living and prices and in general the women here being more attractive than other cities...youre working in the hardest city so ofc you'll do better on tour
I'm still doing good in montreal... but I see what you mean.
It's pretty simple to understand. The agencies here in MTL are stacked with SP's who provide the same or far better service then Indy's at a lower rates. Indy's,unless they engage in a Extreme/fetish/kink then i can understand the boosted rates other than that I don't see the point
I'm sure the indie girls are a blast and provide their own unique amazing service tho. I'm looking at you LunaS haha
Cheers all
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I understand that perspective, but there are a few reasons why independents often charge more.
With an independent, you’re communicating directly with the provider from start to finish. There’s no booker, no agency filtering messages, and no middleman involved. That usually creates a more personalized experience and allows both people to build some rapport before meeting.
Agency appointments can sometimes feel a bit more “rush rush” because they’re often structured around volume and tight scheduling. Independents generally have more flexibility and can offer a more relaxed, personalized atmosphere rather than a one-size-fits-all experience.
Many clients also appreciate that it feels less transactional and more natural, with a stronger GFE-style connection and attention to chemistry.
Agencies and independents both serve different markets, but for many clients, the direct communication, flexibility, and more personal experience are what justify the higher rate.
Just do whatever float your boat and don’t shame either business lol
From my point of view, whether the take is positive or negative, it’s all part of the discussion. I don’t believe in storybook endings in this field. Like Lea said, whatever floats your boat.
Some people look at a Rolex and feel the 30k price is justified. Others see a watch that tells the same time as any other and happily buy a $500 one instead.
At the end of the day, everyone wins, because 98% of SPs and clients get exactly what they’re looking for.
Cheers to all.
I almost booked her as she was affiliated with FKS back then and with Indy Companions before she retired. I first set up a 4 hour engagement but a few FKS members gave some slight warnings so I switched things to two hours. Then she cancelled stating she is going to have a period. LOL. I guess I dodged some sort of bullet.
I would say Chise at Zyramuse. Met her yesterday. Based on previous experiences in the MP and asking booking in advance to ensure the fit would match my expectations, I was disappointed. Made sure to let the booker know and they handled my feedback well. Will return to Zyramuse but not to see Chise.
I used to use Euphoria and VOG. Agencies have beautiful SP and convenient. I sometimes go when low on funds but I think indy service better. I like knowing there's not a bunch of clients before and after me and I see the lady is more relaxed. If I'm disappointed I just drop a load and leave.
I don't completely understand the point of comparing us to Rolex when Lea explained perfectly clearly why the experience of seeing an indy provider can be very different from booking an escort at an agency.
I get that a lot of clients just want a 1 hour session that's basically a succession of acronyms, but not everyone does. Agencies use a certain format and they dictate industry standards, which by the way are not set in stone and have changed often over the years and are different based on location. I think it's a legitimate choice to work for an agency and I can see why people do it.
My issue is that as an indy whose only source of income is sex work, I end up having to recreate that format. Obviously a client who is into that type of experience may not see the point in paying more, and often I have to offer an incentive for these clients to see me, like including acronyms that are normally offered as extras, a special or another way to make them curious about booking me even if their preference is agencies.
However a client who is looking for more of a connection, longer dates, an unrushed service, a new experience etc will often find it more advantageous to book an indy over somebody who is at an agency. It's also easier for clients to know who they're dealing with when they book certain indies because they read our social media, they see our personal style, etc. It's easier to figure out if it's a good match, and that's important for a lot of clients...
Just for perspective, in other big cities, agency rates are much higher than here and closer to what your average reputable indy in Montreal charges. This comparison to luxury items doesn't hold up when "high end escorting" is far from common here, maybe to Merb users 350 to 500$ per hour is too expensive but this is considered mid range in most bigger Canadian cities.. even in Halifax where you have no agencies and very few providers, clients expect to pay 350+ for GFE. In a lot of places, GFE doesn't even exist. In the past, it was also way less common even here..
Just look at what a lot of American providers charge, most of whom don't even offer GFE or not officially and very YMMV. It'll make less sense to compare indies here to Rolex watches..
I know all of this might seem off topic but I think those are relevant reflections that might help some reframe their experiences.
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I’ve had a handful of very disappointing experiences but the worse one has to be the time i met an sp from Asservissante whose name was either Nicky or Emmanuelle at the time i saw her. Reason i’m not sure of the name is that she kept switching agencies & changing her name everytime. It was hard to keep up & it took me two years to see her again after our initial meeting. When i’d finally find out where she was working & under which name she’d bail on them & move on to another agency with a different name again. But thanks to Merb i was finally able to locate her & reunite with her…mich to my dismay & huge disappointment!
I had first met her two years earlier through an sp i had befriended. They worked for the same small agency & my friend told me that she possibly would be my type. She said that she had hired her for her sugardaddy’s nephew one night (his initiation to the hobby) and he totally loved her! So immediately she was on my radar & about a month later i decided to meet this young lady who was named Erika. I absolutely fell for her & it felt like we were in the movie Love Story! Omg! I was blown away! We had instant chemistry & my affection for her was reciprocal! We even later made love in the shower! It was unreal! After she reluctantly left i was immediately making plans to return to Mtl in a few weeks!
Much to my dismay by the time i returned to Mtl a few weeks later she had left the agency. There was no word where she had moved on to. Then a few months later word got out that she was back & working elsewhere under a different name. Then when i was hoping to see her she was already gone again & only resurfaced months later at another agency under a different name again. To my surprise reviews were mixed. Some good ones, some bad ones. I figured the nad ones must have been sour grapes or maybe the client was the problem. Not this fantastic beautiful sweet young lady i had fell for in the past. It couldn’t be true! My Erika was the stuff of fairytales! Lol.
Anyways about two years later she was now at Asservissante. I had already met a few of their ladies & i got along very well with the owner who would often go out of his way to coax me into meeting the newer ladies he’d hire. So i booked a trip to Mtl & booked the young lady in question on the same day i’d attend a hockey game. I booked to see her at 10pm. I figured i’d leave the game after the 2nd period to get ready for my date with the young lady i had been trying to see again over the past two years! However on my way to my hotel (Omni) i nearly got mugged between the Bell Centre & my hotel. What saved me from a mugging was the fact i used my phone in my coat pocket & pretended it was a gun. It worked. Ues my heart was racing & i felt somewhat anxious but i figured it would be all worth it once i reunited with the young lady i felt i had briefly fell in love with two years earlier. The elusive ‘Erika’ or whatever name she was now using. One thing though. After i had posted my initial review she quickly became popular & guys would write to me to thank me for the review since it led them to meeting her. She was a knockout! However several mentioned that they had found her somewhat restrictive. No kissing, etc. I was surprised since it certainly hadn’t been my experience! Lol.
Anyways when she arrived i was shocked! She looked like she had lost 30 lbs! She wasn’t a big or tall girl already…she was on the petite, short side…fake boobs but they looked great on her at the time. She now almost reminded me of a junkie! I was shocked! She was skin & bones! And because of the weight loss her boobs now looked ridiculous! They stuck out way too much! But the worse part was her attitude. She didn’t recognize me at all…no big deal…actually expected…but the moment she realized what my handle was her demeanor totally changed. She was very aggressive…hostile…i thought she was going to hit me! She told me that my review did her a lot of harm because she met many assholes (her words) becaise of it…they expected her to be gfe was she wasn’t….ymmv…and that was one of the reasons why she left & kept on leaving when people would find her again. I felt terrible! I told her this wasn’t my intention at all…i praised her in my review…i had no way of knowing she wasn’t gfe or ymmv…she replied i wrote too many details…i told her that they were praises…positives…my intentions were good…but by that time she was already way too agressive that whatever i’d say probably made things worse. It was useless to plead my case further although i totally understood her position which made me feel even more shitty. But then in a flash her attitude totally changed but not after she made me promise not to see any of her agency’s girls…she said “I don’t want you or any of the assholes who follow your reviews to see anyone of us, okay? Never!” I told her i’d see whoever the fuck i’d want to see & didn’t need her permission to. I told her that most of the time it’s her boss Martin who contacts me frequently to check if i’m around since he wants to introduce me to a new hiree….she shouted “I said no! Keep away, okay? Okay?” Anyways in order to calm her down & break the tension i said ‘sure, ok.’ So in a fraction of a second her mood totally changed again & she became calm & smiled. But by then she had totally killed the mood & i was in no frame of mind to be intimate. We talked a bit & i told her she could leave early if she wanted. Before she left she told me that she hoped we’d meet again. In my mind i thought “there’s no fucking way i’ll see this psycho again!” I regretted so much ever bothering to see her again….what a mistake! I should have left things alone & enjoy that great memory i had of our first time together. This reunion totally ruined everything! Lol.
A few years later i went out with the former friend (sp) who had introduced us & told her the story. She laughed & replied “Oh her! I’m not surprised. She was a real psycho at times. She was a cocaine abuser & she was also bipolar. Often in her bipolar state she’d get all paranoid & accuse the girls of being devils who were out get her! She had tremendous mood swings & we’d never know which Erika would show up to work on any given day! Finally the girls, the drivers & the boss had enough & fired her…that’s why she left the agency & why she kept switching agencies…she was nuts!” Lol.
I had first met her two years earlier through an sp i had befriended. They worked for the same small agency & my friend told me that she possibly would be my type. She said that she had hired her for her sugardaddy’s nephew one night (his initiation to the hobby) and he totally loved her! So immediately she was on my radar & about a month later i decided to meet this young lady who was named Erika. I absolutely fell for her & it felt like we were in the movie Love Story! Omg! I was blown away! We had instant chemistry & my affection for her was reciprocal! We even later made love in the shower! It was unreal! After she reluctantly left i was immediately making plans to return to Mtl in a few weeks!
Much to my dismay by the time i returned to Mtl a few weeks later she had left the agency. There was no word where she had moved on to. Then a few months later word got out that she was back & working elsewhere under a different name. Then when i was hoping to see her she was already gone again & only resurfaced months later at another agency under a different name again. To my surprise reviews were mixed. Some good ones, some bad ones. I figured the nad ones must have been sour grapes or maybe the client was the problem. Not this fantastic beautiful sweet young lady i had fell for in the past. It couldn’t be true! My Erika was the stuff of fairytales! Lol.
Anyways about two years later she was now at Asservissante. I had already met a few of their ladies & i got along very well with the owner who would often go out of his way to coax me into meeting the newer ladies he’d hire. So i booked a trip to Mtl & booked the young lady in question on the same day i’d attend a hockey game. I booked to see her at 10pm. I figured i’d leave the game after the 2nd period to get ready for my date with the young lady i had been trying to see again over the past two years! However on my way to my hotel (Omni) i nearly got mugged between the Bell Centre & my hotel. What saved me from a mugging was the fact i used my phone in my coat pocket & pretended it was a gun. It worked. Ues my heart was racing & i felt somewhat anxious but i figured it would be all worth it once i reunited with the young lady i felt i had briefly fell in love with two years earlier. The elusive ‘Erika’ or whatever name she was now using. One thing though. After i had posted my initial review she quickly became popular & guys would write to me to thank me for the review since it led them to meeting her. She was a knockout! However several mentioned that they had found her somewhat restrictive. No kissing, etc. I was surprised since it certainly hadn’t been my experience! Lol.
Anyways when she arrived i was shocked! She looked like she had lost 30 lbs! She wasn’t a big or tall girl already…she was on the petite, short side…fake boobs but they looked great on her at the time. She now almost reminded me of a junkie! I was shocked! She was skin & bones! And because of the weight loss her boobs now looked ridiculous! They stuck out way too much! But the worse part was her attitude. She didn’t recognize me at all…no big deal…actually expected…but the moment she realized what my handle was her demeanor totally changed. She was very aggressive…hostile…i thought she was going to hit me! She told me that my review did her a lot of harm because she met many assholes (her words) becaise of it…they expected her to be gfe was she wasn’t….ymmv…and that was one of the reasons why she left & kept on leaving when people would find her again. I felt terrible! I told her this wasn’t my intention at all…i praised her in my review…i had no way of knowing she wasn’t gfe or ymmv…she replied i wrote too many details…i told her that they were praises…positives…my intentions were good…but by that time she was already way too agressive that whatever i’d say probably made things worse. It was useless to plead my case further although i totally understood her position which made me feel even more shitty. But then in a flash her attitude totally changed but not after she made me promise not to see any of her agency’s girls…she said “I don’t want you or any of the assholes who follow your reviews to see anyone of us, okay? Never!” I told her i’d see whoever the fuck i’d want to see & didn’t need her permission to. I told her that most of the time it’s her boss Martin who contacts me frequently to check if i’m around since he wants to introduce me to a new hiree….she shouted “I said no! Keep away, okay? Okay?” Anyways in order to calm her down & break the tension i said ‘sure, ok.’ So in a fraction of a second her mood totally changed again & she became calm & smiled. But by then she had totally killed the mood & i was in no frame of mind to be intimate. We talked a bit & i told her she could leave early if she wanted. Before she left she told me that she hoped we’d meet again. In my mind i thought “there’s no fucking way i’ll see this psycho again!” I regretted so much ever bothering to see her again….what a mistake! I should have left things alone & enjoy that great memory i had of our first time together. This reunion totally ruined everything! Lol.
A few years later i went out with the former friend (sp) who had introduced us & told her the story. She laughed & replied “Oh her! I’m not surprised. She was a real psycho at times. She was a cocaine abuser & she was also bipolar. Often in her bipolar state she’d get all paranoid & accuse the girls of being devils who were out get her! She had tremendous mood swings & we’d never know which Erika would show up to work on any given day! Finally the girls, the drivers & the boss had enough & fired her…that’s why she left the agency & why she kept switching agencies…she was nuts!” Lol.
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