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Wonder if the following will increase the risk of meetings:
By News Staff
Posted October 10, 2026 2:53 pm.
The Montreal police service (SPVM) is adding 15 new resources to its sexual exploitation unit starting next week, bringing its existing team of personnel of nearly 50 investigators into an expanded effort to combat sexual exploitation.
 
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Wonder if the following will increase the risk of meetings:
By News Staff
Posted October 10, 2026 2:53 pm.
The Montreal police service (SPVM) is adding 15 new resources to its sexual exploitation unit starting next week, bringing its existing team of personnel of nearly 50 investigators into an expanded effort to combat sexual exploitation.
Soon there will be more police than sex worker
 

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True. I ain't gonna lie, i had my eyes on some indies for a while but the 600 or 800/h hourly fee is a big factor for me as a modest middle class guy. Its a "think twice" and not even a "will it be a nice meeting or not". It could be a good time and still 800 does a much bigger hole in a budget than a 300... Its just maths.

I guess its the same school of toughts of going to a restaurant. I may go to a fancy restaurant and pay 100$ a meal. It may be very good. Yet i would had go to my local "rotisserie" and pay 20$ for fried chicken and i would still apreciate that meal as much. Sorry for the analogy. Women are not food. But its just to show a point in a "tell me like im 5" style.

Sometimes i do book higher end indies. I currently have a few on my wish to meet list. But when i see someone pop on an agency website at 300 or less that starstruck me... Yes ill admit my "priorities" change.

Its my situation. I saw 6 providers in 2026. Meeting a 800$ indy does not equal for me "just skipping a week" or booking 3h instead of 4/5 lol
Many think like this but very few say it loud :)
Pushback I've seen from indies is that they provide better service/time/experience etc.
But like you say - most people want to pay premium only once in a while and agency girls do fill a need.
Catch 22 is indies get less traffic so they need to keep increasing rates, which in turn reduces volume further which leads again to rate hikes and the cycle continues.
What about the simplicity of the booking process with agencies? Not so many email exchanges or having to write an email in a way that pleases, no deposits, no government IDs, no LinkedIn. Just send a simple text and in five minutes you have a booking.
 

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Wonder if the following will increase the risk of meetings:
By News Staff
Posted October 10, 2026 2:53 pm.
The Montreal police service (SPVM) is adding 15 new resources to its sexual exploitation unit starting next week, bringing its existing team of personnel of nearly 50 investigators into an expanded effort to combat sexual exploitation.
SPVM wants all the incall agencies closed downtown
they already know the locations
 

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Security is done differently. Indies do "screening" to prevent risk before they happen. Thats why some are very intrusive like asking for full name, sometimes even an identity card like driving liscence... Even a deposit let some kind of "trace" (unless its by gift cards, wich some accept but not all). Then they likely have cameras filming outside their places and so on.

Agencies surely have lobby cameras too but for the rest, all you need is a real phone number and thats it. So if a first time client book and things go sour, they need to be ready to intervene.
Ok, I get it. These girls want to be safe but these processes also serve other purposes

1) knowing your full name/employment/driver's license/review board handle: How likely are you going to write a bad review if you get a bad experience?

2) sunken cost: once you already made a deposit, if the girl shows up or you show up at the girl's place, the girl is 10 years older than her profile, plus "thin" means 35 pounds overweight and you are horny as hell, you must just close your eyes and imagine she was 10 years younger and 35 pounds lighter. Walking away means losing your deposit. Oh yeah, back to (1), she knows your full name/employment/driver's license/review board handle. How would she react if you forfeit your deposit when there is "bait and switch". For an agency, some guys pay a driver's fee if they do a "bait and switch".
 

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The thing is that one of the major criticism of agencies is that they do not actually properly screen clients for the safety and comfort of workers, and what is acceptable is defined by them and not by the workers themselves. I understand why, because it's a business, but when it comes to giving the workers an optimal experience, it's not ideal. I know that women who work for agencies can blacklist a client, and that's great, but maybe a bad experience could have been prevented.. and maybe that client shouldn't keep seeing other girls at the agency. If I was an agency or MP owner, if a girl had a bad experience, I wouldn't be thinking ''oh maybe someone else can handle him''. I know technically, that could be the truth.. but I don't want my employees to be uncomfortable, so I would just ban him altogether, or I would warn the girls about him and ask them what they think and if they think they can see him, depending on how bad what happened was.
In all my time at XO, I had only 2 experiences where a client was forceful/ignorant of my personhood to the point that I would call it assault of some kind, and the worse one was perfectly normal except for the moment I realized he had stealthed me. I showed him the proof in my hand and he seemed more uncomfortable that I had noticed than anything else. I asked if he had any way to compensate me for what he had done and he looked at me kind of uselessly, and quickly left. I let them know right away what had happened, and I never saw that client again, he was blacklisted. The security contact I had for that time was extremely attentive... whenever there was any issue, I was asked what I wanted to do. At that time I believe I requested an hour to recuperate but that I wanted to finish my day.

Before this, when I worked for xxxtase, an outcall agency (at that time at least), I was often dropped off with no information about the client, and even told things like "this guy will try to stealth you, but he will leave a great review-- try to please him". The driver I met when I had initiated contact with them creeped me out, and I later learned that that driver regularly assaulted several of the workers. From the start, the owner targeted me with attempted grooming-- I was 20 at this time iirc-- he wanted me to move in with him, and he was telling me all the typical lovebomber shit. Eventually he was the one driving me everywhere, and insisted to drop me off at my home address EOD. I gave him an address a block away, and when he parked the car, he would not unlock the doors. He coerced me mentally and physically in that car, refusing to take no for an answer, and I left with an STD. When I messaged him the following week, he said it was impossible for him to have given it to me because he is "immune", and additionally that because I was infected, I could no longer work, ever again... not at that agency or anywhere else in the industry... and he then gave me the option of living with him instead. Of course, I was treated at a clinic and did not return to work for that agency ever again. I ended up reaching out to several girls to warn them, and got those stories of the drivers I mentioned in return. I was collecting testimony for some time, knowing that the way they were operating was predatory, but the agency changed hands and I lost track of that owner. I checked up on this a few times and heard that things had changed for the better, so I let it be.

I kept in contact with some clients I had met through xxxtase, and the one that I took up a regular thing with eventually violently assaulted me after about a year of weird and coercive behaviour that I put up with, because my priority was supporting myself. He had also set me up with a job before this that was supposed to be legitimate, but when I got there I realized I was not being paid normally despite making a normal application, and that essentially if he were not at work to demand sexual favors, I had no hours. He also withheld my legitimately earned pay by demanding video calls before deposit (obviously, these were sexual in nature). Coercion and manipulation all the way down, his life was built on it! Luckily he was not in the office much, and I got to witness that his entire staff hated him and would joke about his negative qualities almost every time he left the room. An intern (through some schooling program) I made friends with there told me in confidence that she had uncovered a lot of shady stuff about how he was managing his money-- shell companies with fake employee photos, legal documents about tax fraud and moving money across borders, etc. That was a violent **** rape in which I clearly and consistenty made my lack of consent extremely clear, and was physically unable to move myself under the weight of his body. He injured me to the point that I could not work normally, and I was so messed up about it that I just took the first legal job I could without immediately seeking treatment, to my own detriment. I was isolated at that time and had few options, and the options for support in this industry are difficut to navigate. The ones that are easy to access seem to be anti-sw and push for exit, which I did not want or want to deal with. To this day that loser rapist hated by all his staff and, before my eyes, every woman he attempted to start a relationship with while he was still seeing me, still sends me texts on holidays, random good morning texts, along with randomly pleading for me to respond, etc..

I have always approached this industry with the mindset that I am a worker first and foremost, and that the agencies are organizations which I am hiring to manage the scheduling and admin work I have no interest in doing myself.

Every agency is different, and so too is every worker and client. Each encounter is nuanced by several factors...
- The agency's style of customer service (priority of workers versus clientelle), further mediated by industry standards and which booker you are working with on a given day.
- The worker's perspective, experience, boundaries and ability to communicate such, along with their judgement (aka essentially their threshold for when behaviour of others is recieved as rude, coercive, or outright abusive and unacceptable.)
- The client's perspective, experience, desires and ability to communicate such properly, along with their judgement of their own behaviour. This one is more difficult to sum up for me personally, but communication is a big problem with this group in general. Maybe the main thing is that this group contains some % of people who hold meeting their expectations at a higher level of importance than do they themselves take responsibility to get those expectations met.

Bad clients often get in their own way, and I have had many appointments where the interaction was clearly becoming hostile, where I had to use de-escalation skills to regulate them into being able to actually communicate with me, without seeing my personhood as an obstacle to sex, and while being mindful of the toxic masculinity shit that comes attached to those expectations, and I always tried to do so professionally, because this is a job I am doing in my workplace. Unfortunately some clients carry resentment around the financial aspect, and this resentment can easily come out when expectations are not met. Despite this, I actually have less stories of assault and sexual coercion in the workplace than do my friends who work in other industries, getting paid minimum wage.

IMO:
Yes, there are people in this industry who target girls for predation. I experienced that firsthand, and these people are a huge problem. That is a fact.
Yes, many people enter this industry without the requisite skills or contextual understanding to navigate it, and this is a huge problem. That is a fact.
Yes, abuse occurs regularly in this industry (and literally every other industry), and the rate of abuse is a huge problem. That is a fact.

However, the way that this story is being told is unfair to the very people that it is claiming to want to protect. It is clear that they want to outlaw the industry entirely, and if that end is not reached (which, come on...) they will push for legalization*. All of this without regard to current workers as more than pawns in their political play, as the people routinely given a voice are those who have exited citing trauma. It's more politically advantageous that way.

Incall agencies are not more or less abusive than outcall, and with regard to my personal experience, I dislike and avoid outcall, as that is where I had the most negative experiences. I did not see either of the organizations that I personally trust to engage with sex workers as human beings with our own autonomy mentioned in any of the stories that have come out so far, and the narrative here is more than obvious.

La Presse said it themselves: "Prostitution has for several years left the street to migrate to the internet..."

They then list exit resources.

*I could go on about this, but my comment is too long already (sorry... I think I got off topic, but I don't want to engage in the discussion here very much, so it is probably my only input). TLDR: the same abuse occurs, in nearly the same exact form under legalization, except the govenment has a guaranteed cut of the profits, and "pimps" are legitimized and given power... NOT the workers, and not the people who are vulnerable. I had a friend work at a ranch in Nevada, and they had to pay rent. The owner knowingly hired too many girls for the client ratio, indebting anyone who was not able to get outside help. This ranch was isolated along a highway and bordered by mountains. They had a girl there who could not even speak English, and could not leave. We helped that girl get in contact with someone who could help her, and my friend was told to leave in the next day or two. I assume the owner monitored internet activity as the ISP owner and saw our online conversations in that instance. Again, the same abuse occurs, in nearly the same exact form under legalization, except the govenment has a guaranteed cut of the profits, and "pimps" are legitimized and given power... NOT the workers, and not the people who are vulnerable.

We want DECRIMINALIZATION.
 

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In all my time at XO, I had only 2 experiences where a client was forceful/ignorant of my personhood to the point that I would call it assault of some kind, and the worse one was perfectly normal except for the moment I realized he had stealthed me. I showed him the proof in my hand and he seemed more uncomfortable that I had noticed than anything else. I asked if he had any way to compensate me for what he had done and he looked at me kind of uselessly, and quickly left. I let them know right away what had happened, and I never saw that client again, he was blacklisted. The security contact I had for that time was extremely attentive... whenever there was any issue, I was asked what I wanted to do. At that time I believe I requested an hour to recuperate but that I wanted to finish my day.

Before this, when I worked for xxxtase, an outcall agency (at that time at least), I was often dropped off with no information about the client, and even told things like "this guy will try to stealth you, but he will leave a great review-- try to please him". The driver I met when I had initiated contact with them creeped me out, and I later learned that that driver regularly assaulted several of the workers. From the start, the owner targeted me with attempted grooming-- I was 20 at this time iirc-- he wanted me to move in with him, and he was telling me all the typical lovebomber shit. Eventually he was the one driving me everywhere, and insisted to drop me off at my home address EOD. I gave him an address a block away, and when he parked the car, he would not unlock the doors. He coerced me mentally and physically in that car, refusing to take no for an answer, and I left with an STD. When I messaged him the following week, he said it was impossible for him to have given it to me because he is "immune", and additionally that because I was infected, I could no longer work, ever again... not at that agency or anywhere else in the industry... and he then gave me the option of living with him instead. Of course, I was treated at a clinic and did not return to work for that agency ever again. I ended up reaching out to several girls to warn them, and got those stories of the drivers I mentioned in return. I was collecting testimony for some time, knowing that the way they were operating was predatory, but the agency changed hands and I lost track of that owner. I checked up on this a few times and heard that things had changed for the better, so I let it be.

I kept in contact with some clients I had met through xxxtase, and the one that I took up a regular thing with eventually violently assaulted me after about a year of weird and coercive behaviour that I put up with, because my priority was supporting myself. He had also set me up with a job before this that was supposed to be legitimate, but when I got there I realized I was not being paid normally despite making a normal application, and that essentially if he were not at work to demand sexual favors, I had no hours. He also withheld my legitimately earned pay by demanding video calls before deposit (obviously, these were sexual in nature). Coercion and manipulation all the way down, his life was built on it! Luckily he was not in the office much, and I got to witness that his entire staff hated him and would joke about his negative qualities almost every time he left the room. An intern (through some schooling program) I made friends with there told me in confidence that she had uncovered a lot of shady stuff about how he was managing his money-- shell companies with fake employee photos, legal documents about tax fraud and moving money across borders, etc. That was a violent **** rape in which I clearly and consistenty made my lack of consent extremely clear, and was physically unable to move myself under the weight of his body. He injured me to the point that I could not work normally, and I was so messed up about it that I just took the first legal job I could without immediately seeking treatment, to my own detriment. I was isolated at that time and had few options, and the options for support in this industry are difficut to navigate. The ones that are easy to access seem to be anti-sw and push for exit, which I did not want or want to deal with. To this day that loser rapist hated by all his staff and, before my eyes, every woman he attempted to start a relationship with while he was still seeing me, still sends me texts on holidays, random good morning texts, along with randomly pleading for me to respond, etc..

I have always approached this industry with the mindset that I am a worker first and foremost, and that the agencies are organizations which I am hiring to manage the scheduling and admin work I have no interest in doing myself.

Every agency is different, and so too is every worker and client. Each encounter is nuanced by several factors...
- The agency's style of customer service (priority of workers versus clientelle), further mediated by industry standards and which booker you are working with on a given day.
- The worker's perspective, experience, boundaries and ability to communicate such, along with their judgement (aka essentially their threshold for when behaviour of others is recieved as rude, coercive, or outright abusive and unacceptable.)
- The client's perspective, experience, desires and ability to communicate such properly, along with their judgement of their own behaviour. This one is more difficult to sum up for me personally, but communication is a big problem with this group in general. Maybe the main thing is that this group contains some % of people who hold meeting their expectations at a higher level of importance than do they themselves take responsibility to get those expectations met.

Bad clients often get in their own way, and I have had many appointments where the interaction was clearly becoming hostile, where I had to use de-escalation skills to regulate them into being able to actually communicate with me, without seeing my personhood as an obstacle to sex, and while being mindful of the toxic masculinity shit that comes attached to those expectations, and I always tried to do so professionally, because this is a job I am doing in my workplace. Unfortunately some clients carry resentment around the financial aspect, and this resentment can easily come out when expectations are not met. Despite this, I actually have less stories of assault and sexual coercion in the workplace than do my friends who work in other industries, getting paid minimum wage.

IMO:
Yes, there are people in this industry who target girls for predation. I experienced that firsthand, and these people are a huge problem. That is a fact.
Yes, many people enter this industry without the requisite skills or contextual understanding to navigate it, and this is a huge problem. That is a fact.
Yes, abuse occurs regularly in this industry (and literally every other industry), and the rate of abuse is a huge problem. That is a fact.

However, the way that this story is being told is unfair to the very people that it is claiming to want to protect. It is clear that they want to outlaw the industry entirely, and if that end is not reached (which, come on...) they will push for legalization*. All of this without regard to current workers as more than pawns in their political play, as the people routinely given a voice are those who have exited citing trauma. It's more politically advantageous that way.

Incall agencies are not more or less abusive than outcall, and with regard to my personal experience, I dislike and avoid outcall, as that is where I had the most negative experiences. I did not see either of the organizations that I personally trust to engage with sex workers as human beings with our own autonomy mentioned in any of the stories that have come out so far, and the narrative here is more than obvious.

La Presse said it themselves: "Prostitution has for several years left the street to migrate to the internet..."

They then list exit resources.

*I could go on about this, but my comment is too long already (sorry... I think I got off topic, but I don't want to engage in the discussion here very much, so it is probably my only input). TLDR: the same abuse occurs, in nearly the same exact form under legalization, except the govenment has a guaranteed cut of the profits, and "pimps" are legitimized and given power... NOT the workers, and not the people who are vulnerable. I had a friend work at a ranch in Nevada, and they had to pay rent. The owner knowingly hired too many girls for the client ratio, indebting anyone who was not able to get outside help. This ranch was isolated along a highway and bordered by mountains. They had a girl there who could not even speak English, and could not leave. We helped that girl get in contact with someone who could help her, and my friend was told to leave in the next day or two. I assume the owner monitored internet activity as the ISP owner and saw our online conversations in that instance. Again, the same abuse occurs, in nearly the same exact form under legalization, except the govenment has a guaranteed cut of the profits, and "pimps" are legitimized and given power... NOT the workers, and not the people who are vulnerable.

We want DECRIMINALIZATION.
I think what your story proves also is that everyone has a different story and experience to tell. I know people who absolutely experienced abuse of different kinds at XO, but you didn't which is great. I know people who had bad experiences at Euphoria, but I'm sure some have had different experiences. That's why it's important to listen to everyone. I've had really bad experiences at a popular MP before, but I also have colleagues who loved working there.

Personally after reading April Killian's article and after having a conversation with a friend and colleague, I'm realizing that Merb isn't the right place to talk about our rights, because it's dominated by clients and it's an advertising space. I think this is better discussed among colleagues and other people who are behind the scenes.

It's not the first time that this type of discussion occurs here on this forum, and a lot of what comes out of it isn't pretty or respectful. "it's civilian women's fault" "feminists are horrible, women go to university and then they want to ruin our fun" "abuse doesn't exist, these girls are liars" "it's their fault and they should experience the consequences of their actions instead of talking about what they went through" .. I see how it is. We see how you think here, and if this forum becomes more known in the public eye, it just doesn't look good.
 

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I've heard on multiple occasions that the security the agencies have is quite intimidating and quite fast in responding. The one example I've heard where it was needed was one provider who worked at XO said one time another 6'5 man showed up after the first 6'5 man walked through the door both expecting services. Their security was able to remove both.


I think Forever's Sat schedule is already on their site since 10.
I can't guarantee the heights, but I heard that story from a someone who said it was dealt with. She was still a little shaken. That was back in 2022 at XO
 

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I think what your story proves also is that everyone has a different story and experience to tell. I know people who absolutely experienced abuse of different kinds at XO, but you didn't which is great. I know people who had bad experiences at Euphoria, but I'm sure some have had different experiences. That's why it's important to listen to everyone. I've had really bad experiences at a popular MP before, but I also have colleagues who loved working there.

Personally after reading April Killian's article and after having a conversation with a friend and colleague, I'm realizing that Merb isn't the right place to talk about our rights, because it's dominated by clients and it's an advertising space. I think this is better discussed among colleagues and other people who are behind the scenes.

It's not the first time that this type of discussion occurs here on this forum, and a lot of what comes out of it isn't pretty or respectful. "it's civilian women's fault" "feminists are horrible, women go to university and then they want to ruin our fun" "abuse doesn't exist, these girls are liars" "it's their fault and they should experience the consequences of their actions instead of talking about what they went through" .. I see how it is. We see how you think here, and if this forum becomes more known in the public eye, it just doesn't look good.
Absolutely agree-- and following exactly my main point, everyone has a different contextual frame and experience, nuance is missed when we zoom in, and avoided/suppressed when only a select type of people are given a voice and public support. Per merb, the contextual frame is informed by its userbase. I've been very grateful for your comments in this thread however, thank you again for repeatedly adding that missing nuance to the discussion here insofar. Please pm me about any organizing taking place or alternative places for this conversation!

For everyone else reading: I see myself on the side of those negatively impacted by unfair laws, which, concerning sex work, are usually grounded in a convenient narrative rather than objective reality. Whether that narrative is 5% true or 75% true is impossible to ascertain without a complete contextual frame, especially when people uninvolved in the sex trade come in with clear political motivations to stir things up... so when forming conclusions please mind where there may be gaps in your contextual frame and take it with a grain of salt. Anyway -- sex workers want decrim for your safety, too. Please support our voices even if you can only do so anonymously. Have a good day everyone :)
 

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In all my time at XO, I had only 2 experiences where a client was forceful/ignorant of my personhood to the point that I would call it assault of some kind, and the worse one was perfectly normal except for the moment I realized he had stealthed me. I showed him the proof in my hand and he seemed more uncomfortable that I had noticed than anything else. I asked if he had any way to compensate me for what he had done and he looked at me kind of uselessly, and quickly left. I let them know right away what had happened, and I never saw that client again, he was blacklisted. The security contact I had for that time was extremely attentive... whenever there was any issue, I was asked what I wanted to do. At that time I believe I requested an hour to recuperate but that I wanted to finish my day.

Before this, when I worked for xxxtase, an outcall agency (at that time at least), I was often dropped off with no information about the client, and even told things like "this guy will try to stealth you, but he will leave a great review-- try to please him". The driver I met when I had initiated contact with them creeped me out, and I later learned that that driver regularly assaulted several of the workers. From the start, the owner targeted me with attempted grooming-- I was 20 at this time iirc-- he wanted me to move in with him, and he was telling me all the typical lovebomber shit. Eventually he was the one driving me everywhere, and insisted to drop me off at my home address EOD. I gave him an address a block away, and when he parked the car, he would not unlock the doors. He coerced me mentally and physically in that car, refusing to take no for an answer, and I left with an STD. When I messaged him the following week, he said it was impossible for him to have given it to me because he is "immune", and additionally that because I was infected, I could no longer work, ever again... not at that agency or anywhere else in the industry... and he then gave me the option of living with him instead. Of course, I was treated at a clinic and did not return to work for that agency ever again. I ended up reaching out to several girls to warn them, and got those stories of the drivers I mentioned in return. I was collecting testimony for some time, knowing that the way they were operating was predatory, but the agency changed hands and I lost track of that owner. I checked up on this a few times and heard that things had changed for the better, so I let it be.

I kept in contact with some clients I had met through xxxtase, and the one that I took up a regular thing with eventually violently assaulted me after about a year of weird and coercive behaviour that I put up with, because my priority was supporting myself. He had also set me up with a job before this that was supposed to be legitimate, but when I got there I realized I was not being paid normally despite making a normal application, and that essentially if he were not at work to demand sexual favors, I had no hours. He also withheld my legitimately earned pay by demanding video calls before deposit (obviously, these were sexual in nature). Coercion and manipulation all the way down, his life was built on it! Luckily he was not in the office much, and I got to witness that his entire staff hated him and would joke about his negative qualities almost every time he left the room. An intern (through some schooling program) I made friends with there told me in confidence that she had uncovered a lot of shady stuff about how he was managing his money-- shell companies with fake employee photos, legal documents about tax fraud and moving money across borders, etc. That was a violent **** rape in which I clearly and consistenty made my lack of consent extremely clear, and was physically unable to move myself under the weight of his body. He injured me to the point that I could not work normally, and I was so messed up about it that I just took the first legal job I could without immediately seeking treatment, to my own detriment. I was isolated at that time and had few options, and the options for support in this industry are difficut to navigate. The ones that are easy to access seem to be anti-sw and push for exit, which I did not want or want to deal with. To this day that loser rapist hated by all his staff and, before my eyes, every woman he attempted to start a relationship with while he was still seeing me, still sends me texts on holidays, random good morning texts, along with randomly pleading for me to respond, etc..

I have always approached this industry with the mindset that I am a worker first and foremost, and that the agencies are organizations which I am hiring to manage the scheduling and admin work I have no interest in doing myself.

Every agency is different, and so too is every worker and client. Each encounter is nuanced by several factors...
- The agency's style of customer service (priority of workers versus clientelle), further mediated by industry standards and which booker you are working with on a given day.
- The worker's perspective, experience, boundaries and ability to communicate such, along with their judgement (aka essentially their threshold for when behaviour of others is recieved as rude, coercive, or outright abusive and unacceptable.)
- The client's perspective, experience, desires and ability to communicate such properly, along with their judgement of their own behaviour. This one is more difficult to sum up for me personally, but communication is a big problem with this group in general. Maybe the main thing is that this group contains some % of people who hold meeting their expectations at a higher level of importance than do they themselves take responsibility to get those expectations met.

Bad clients often get in their own way, and I have had many appointments where the interaction was clearly becoming hostile, where I had to use de-escalation skills to regulate them into being able to actually communicate with me, without seeing my personhood as an obstacle to sex, and while being mindful of the toxic masculinity shit that comes attached to those expectations, and I always tried to do so professionally, because this is a job I am doing in my workplace. Unfortunately some clients carry resentment around the financial aspect, and this resentment can easily come out when expectations are not met. Despite this, I actually have less stories of assault and sexual coercion in the workplace than do my friends who work in other industries, getting paid minimum wage.

IMO:
Yes, there are people in this industry who target girls for predation. I experienced that firsthand, and these people are a huge problem. That is a fact.
Yes, many people enter this industry without the requisite skills or contextual understanding to navigate it, and this is a huge problem. That is a fact.
Yes, abuse occurs regularly in this industry (and literally every other industry), and the rate of abuse is a huge problem. That is a fact.

However, the way that this story is being told is unfair to the very people that it is claiming to want to protect. It is clear that they want to outlaw the industry entirely, and if that end is not reached (which, come on...) they will push for legalization*. All of this without regard to current workers as more than pawns in their political play, as the people routinely given a voice are those who have exited citing trauma. It's more politically advantageous that way.

Incall agencies are not more or less abusive than outcall, and with regard to my personal experience, I dislike and avoid outcall, as that is where I had the most negative experiences. I did not see either of the organizations that I personally trust to engage with sex workers as human beings with our own autonomy mentioned in any of the stories that have come out so far, and the narrative here is more than obvious.

La Presse said it themselves: "Prostitution has for several years left the street to migrate to the internet..."

They then list exit resources.

*I could go on about this, but my comment is too long already (sorry... I think I got off topic, but I don't want to engage in the discussion here very much, so it is probably my only input). TLDR: the same abuse occurs, in nearly the same exact form under legalization, except the govenment has a guaranteed cut of the profits, and "pimps" are legitimized and given power... NOT the workers, and not the people who are vulnerable. I had a friend work at a ranch in Nevada, and they had to pay rent. The owner knowingly hired too many girls for the client ratio, indebting anyone who was not able to get outside help. This ranch was isolated along a highway and bordered by mountains. They had a girl there who could not even speak English, and could not leave. We helped that girl get in contact with someone who could help her, and my friend was told to leave in the next day or two. I assume the owner monitored internet activity as the ISP owner and saw our online conversations in that instance. Again, the same abuse occurs, in nearly the same exact form under legalization, except the govenment has a guaranteed cut of the profits, and "pimps" are legitimized and given power... NOT the workers, and not the people who are vulnerable.

We want DECRIMINALIZATION.
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Halloween Mike

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Thanks for your story @jaelynever , and @Lunaseraphim yes its mostly clients and yes its an advertising board, but i think its important for us to hear all these stories. What Jaely describe is very heavy stuff, its disgusting she had to go trough this. This is the kind of event i wish would never happen. I know predators will always exist and its likely that they do not care about being educated on their behaviors, but at least we can try? Im gonna go read April's article now.
 

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Ouff je viens de voir l'émission et ca m'a bouleversé. Je sais que c'est pas la réalité a 100% mais c'est quand même fou ce que les filles peuvent vivre.
Je ne sais pas ce qui serait possible d'être fait pour éviter que les filles soient violentées. Quelles protections vous pouvez avoir?
Pourquoi ne pas avoir un ami/amie en back-up??
On parle d'euphoria mais ca arrive partout. Jai entendu des choses terribles aussi a Québec sans divulguer le nom de l'agence.
Les filles, faites attention a vous!!
Les gars, respecter les filles!!
C'est supposé être un bon moment pour les 2 partis. Bonne journée!

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