Euphoria agency in the news
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It's how journalism works yes, to a degree, but that's still a bias and the way he contacted people in the industry didn't show his true intentions.. It's not just agencies that are shown in this episode, and the way they are exposing this "bad side" makes it hard for anyone involved to take it seriously. I don't think most people who work for agencies are easy to talk to. In the past few years I've been anonymously contacted by many girls who work for them, because they like my comments here.. I've also talked to acquaintances who worked for them. I've heard a lot of negative stories and mixed experiences, overall most people didn't have great things to say, won't lie, but nothing like what is shown in this documentary.
I also think this journalist actually doesn't care about girls who work at these places, because he was so adamant to reveal the identity of people who own these agencies, where they are, etc. It would be stupid to believe that this isn't going to prevent people from having a place to work. I took many classes on documentary film making & journalism when I was in university and there is a responsibility and a sense of ethics to consider, particularly when you want to dig into a delicate subject like this. It feels like he is infantilizing us honestly.
He could have shown the bad side of agencies without showing these buildings, preventing girls from having a place to work.. he didn't have to do this stupid ''infiltration'' from which we learned nothing. he could have talked to different workers including some who still work at agencies and who want to remain there even if they don't necessarily like all aspects of the job, or people who have worked for agencies who aren't Clementine and aren't completely traumatized by it but have some criticisms to make. He didn't have to bring out a girl who had a pimp at 14 years old, he didn't have to go to this ''home for victims of sexual exploitation''. Neither of these things have anything to do with agencies. He could have talked to people who work for Stella, which he said he had or would in one of the emails he sent me. He could have talked to professionals who don't have an abolitionist agenda.
Just a sign of time: one dying profission drag another down with it.
The so call journalist do a “story” for his or her paycheck regardless how many gets affected.
The confusing part is the word “ story”, which frees him or her from any consequence, either from truth or faction or a mix of both.
The so call journalist do a “story” for his or her paycheck regardless how many gets affected.
The confusing part is the word “ story”, which frees him or her from any consequence, either from truth or faction or a mix of both.
It is biased in the sense that this journalism works associated Euphoria with the XO situation and that fuck up doctor. Xo is under the accusation of using an underage girl. All the negative comments about mistreatements are related to XO in this investigation. I dont pretend that Euphoria is clean but the journalist didnt bring anything factual against that agency. The general feeling left is that agencies are all the same and they all treat badly the sex workers. Their premise is that sex work is bad and they go up from there...
This is the abolitionist viewpoint that women are Victims. No matter what. They cannot consent when there is exchange of money. It’s very black in white in a New Religion way
You can also be a victim of violence within the industry, without being an overall victim just because you're a sex worker. Two things can be true. You can consent to certain things, and have your consent taken away by certain individuals. You can also end up doing things you didn't want to do and see clients you didn't want to see due to economic pressure, which makes consent a little bit weird. But that doesn't men women in this industry are victims because they choose to get paid for intimacy. There's a way for it to be consensual at all times.
You consent working for an agency, but you didn't consent for guy to anally rape you, like what happened to one of the girls in the documentary and honestly has happened to me and multiple others in this industry as well. But that doesn't mean the industry needs to be abolished, it just means that it needs to change and that we need to push for decriminalization for better working conditions and more safety and satisfaction on the client side.
Frédéric Martineau, commandant de la section exploitation sexuelle à la SPVM, vient de nous informer à la télévision qu'ils visent les mineurs et victimes d'exploitation sexuelle, mais que maintenant ils élargissent leurs interventions au niveau des agences grâce à un meilleur financement. Ce n'est pas fini.
Did I say otherwise? Yes you can be a victim of violence everywhere, but this industry includes intimacy and a lot of secrecy. That's pretty easy to understand. Once again I want to mention that not all or even most clients are violent.. but some are.
I deleted my answer because it was beside the point. My point was for certain people women cannot consent sex in exchange for money. That is not my viewpoint.
Yeah I know these people exist, and I disagree with them.. My point was just that you can express that you've been victim of bad treatments in the industry without holding that viewpoint, or without implying that you are a victim because you exchanged money for sex to begin with.
Saying you have or had bad experiences in the industry doesn't mean you're an abolitionist who thinks everyone had the same experiences as you.
I personally know people who entered this industry as minors, were trafficked, were groomed and pimped etc. These things actually do exist. The problem is when everything is put together without any clear distinctions and without nuances.
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If anyone knows where Charlie ends up, please let me know. She is #1 on my TDL
In short - you do not through out the whole barrel if it has only few bad apples
My point is unspoken, kinda pointing out these journalist Phds coming from government funded institutions and working for government funded CBC Radio Canada are basically government agents "infiltrating" under the disguise of journalists. They might as well be police detectives. Dunno but it reeks of some slow incremental government agenda intervention process especially after similar articles exposing XO.
It's more complicated than that. I think there are different ''spaces'' in this industry and different practices, different client bases.. Depending on where you work, how you work and who you are, what clients perceive you as, you will have a different experience in the industry. I think that's part of what people need to be mindful of. If you are a naive 19 year old on leolist you won't have the same experiences as a 30 year old high end escort who travels all over the world. I don't have the same experiences as a mid-range indy who has the ability and privilege to tour, vs when I work at a massage parlor where the client base and services offered are completely different.
I had a very different experience when I entered this industry than I do now. When you appear vulnerable or young or both, you don't attract the best clients. I think because you probably are a good client, and you probably exchange with others who have similar experiences as you, you're assuming that bad experiences are rare..
Bad experiences need to be talked about so that they don't happen again or not as much. Same with certain working conditions, for instance, people mentioned that having only a 15 minute break between clients can create a hygiene and cleanliness issue. That is something that could be changed. Better screening of clients and better education would also be great.. more solidarity fostered between the workers too.
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