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Is it American innovation or Italian or Spanish? Prob now stolen by the Chinese?
 

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This coronavirus is a real multi-tasker. It doesn`t just attack one organ or part of the body like say Ebola which makes you bleed out from your nose , eyes ears and probably rectum . Nope king corona attacks your lungs, kidneys, heart, brain and blood. Creates blood clots that can go to any part of your body and if that doesn`t kill you it will get your leg amputated. We may not find out about all its hidden talents till next year and then it may surprise us with more misery.
That idiot Governor of Georgia should be hauled off to court and charged with manslaughter
 

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Don’t say there’s no “acceptable death rate” then jalimon. Because at some point you will be fine with reopening the economy even though people are still dying. There’s an acceptable death rate in EVERYTHING we do or else like I said before everyone would be hermits and just staying home.

Correct. There is a balance of freedoms with common causes of death.
 

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Guys we are in a pandemic virus era. Its completely catastrophic yes. The only way to reopen the economy tomorrow would be to completely refuse treatment to all infected by this virus and tract them to make sure they quarantine at home and hopefully survive.
 

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Guys we are in a pandemic virus era. Its completely catastrophic yes. The only way to reopen the economy tomorrow would be to completely refuse treatment to all infected by this virus and tract them to make sure they quarantine at home and hopefully survive.

Forget that. With fake quarantine. It newer end. Real quarantine, all business must closed. When I say all is ALL.
Nobody can't go out for 14 days. Even for Walk.
 

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A study out of NY is showing that 88% of the patients who needed ventilators ultimately died:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/coronavirus-ventilator-patients-die/index.html

If the Docs tell you that you need a ventilator, it seems like the time is right for Last Rites and make sure any last minute changes to the will are in order.

Beyond this it is showing that once you get to the stage of needing a ventilator, there is not much of a chance that it will save your ass.
 

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Basically, that CNN report tells nothing:
"But 14% were treated in intensive care, 3% needed intensive dialysis and 21% died.Since final data was only available on about half of the patients, it's possible that more of those on ventilators survived, the researchers said -- something that would drive down the 88% fatality rate for that group."
 

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That idiot Governor of Georgia should be hauled off to court and charged with manslaughter

That's the same moron who came at a press conf, about 2 weeks ago, saying that he just learned that asymptomatic Covid carriers can transmit the virus. Like he literally said: "I just found out about it: stay safe". Felt like he just landed from the moon in full pandemic and had an epiphany ....
 

jalimon

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EB yesterday I listened to an interview of the chief physicians at one of montreal hospital dedicated to covind-19 patient. He said 90 to 95% of those who end up on a ventilator had another pathogen. Diabetes, Obesity, cardio or respiratory problem...

On the other hand we learned yesterday that ACV (cerebrovascular accident or stroke) had doubled since the virus. Very often patient died before reaching hospital. And most of them under 50.
 

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Forget that. With fake quarantine. It newer end. Real quarantine, all business must closed. When I say all is ALL.
Nobody can't go out for 14 days. Even for Walk.

You realize that this is impossible, correct? This is not going away until there is a vaccine or unique treatment or until we all catch it or at least 60-70% of us catch it.
 

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Man911 where did you hear that!!É Legault stated yesterday possible parteil reopening in Quebec,on next week announcements
 

sene5hos

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récit personnel

Je me me suis permit de raconter mon récit, comme j'ai beaucoup de temps, cela m'a fait du bien, même si ça n'intéresse personne.

Au CHSLD des Moulins qui se situe à Terrebonne dans le quartier Urbanova.
«Les conditions sont exécrables. Les patients sont sales. On arrive, ils ont encore de la nourriture du dîner dans la bouche, au quart de soir. Les yeux sont collés, les oreilles sont sales, les cheveux sont gras, les vêtements sont souillés. On arrive dans les chambres, puis il y a encore des selles et de l'urine sur les planchers qui ne sont pas nettoyés», a raconté une préposée aux bénéficiaires à TVA Nouvelles.

Ces propos sont ceux d'une infirmière et d'une préposée. Elles font partie des employés de CHSLD publics envoyés en renfort dans les établissements privés.
«Chaque soir, il manque de débarbouillettes, il manque de piqués. C'est fréquent que les outils de base ne sont pas fournis.»

Elles décrivent un établissement à la dérive, où employés et résidents sont laissés à eux-mêmes.
«Je n'aurais pas laissé ma grand-mère là, si on m'avait donné tout l'or du monde. On ne peut pas traiter les gens comme ça. Ils sont malades. Ça ne veut pas dire qu'on arrête de les soigner, qu'on arrête de nettoyer l'environnement. Au contraire, il faut mettre les bouchées doubles.»

Je connais ce CHSLD, car je l'avais visité pour mon père. Le groupe Arbec sont propriétaires de 6 CHSLD. Ce sont ceux que nous avions le plus appréciés, nous avions choisis celui de Terrebonne. Malheureusement mon père est décédé à l'hôpital.

Quand j'ai vu ce qui se passe là, cela m'a permit de faire pleinement mon deuil, au moins il est mort à l'hôpital entouré des siens.
 

Doc Holliday

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Jalimon - What is acceptable risk? If no risk is acceptable than why not shelter in place for the normal flu season which has a 0.1% death rate every year? Research in California is suggesting a 0.2% death rate for Covid-19. What is the death rate due to the mental anguish and increase in obesity and other factors created from the hysteria of this pandemic?

You make very valid points. And in Germany the death rate for Covid-19 is currently 0.37% and in Iceland it's 0.4%. And if they'd be able to test every resident who's asymptomatic the numbers would be even lower.

Personally i not only worry about how the economy will look after this but also how many people will experience chronic mental health problems & obesity, which will lead to even more serious long-term health problems.
 

Doc Holliday

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You realize that this is impossible, correct? This is not going away until there is a vaccine or unique treatment or until we all catch it or at least 60-70% of us catch it.

Very true. That's how they really got rid of the 1918 H1N1 flu virus: the virus ran out of bodies to infect. Either people had all been infected or had died.
 

sene5hos

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Trump called for caution yesterday at his press conference with the Governor of Georgia. Yet barely 2 days ago, he told him to reopen as soon as possible.

He just changed his mind. It is okay for a politician to be able to change his mind from time to time, but in the case of Trump it is also from time to time, but every week.

It is useless, even with the best will I don't understand the Americans to have voted for this financier.
Unfortunately, he will never become a good President.
 

jalimon

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Very true. That's how they really got rid of the 1918 H1N1 flu virus: the virus ran out of bodies to infect. Either people had all been infected or had died.

You stopped calling it the Spanish Flu? They never knew where it originated from. The first known case was in the United States. But many theories leads to France or China (again...).

And the first wave in the Spring was much milder then the second wave in the Fall of that same year. I hope we will not repeat that!
 
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