Coronavirus

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

People are not fighting/complaining about these “ special measures “ that are being enforced on them ,,, well for now at least its “solidarity “

If the pandemic worsened and there was some kind of economic collapse in our not too distant future,then it wouldn’t surprise me to see martial law implemented,,, at this point everything is a possibility so the future may look scary

Now I don’t want to overreact but these posts are kind of depressing and they certainly don’t do anything to alleviate anyone’s anxiety ... but I keep telling myself that it’s just one bad year and after that things will start to get better

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

^^^
At this point everyone wishes that a vaccine could be developed a lot faster than what it normally takes , but I reckon that there are huge risks/dangers in cutting corners
One has to be weary of side effects or even injecting viruses that can become active . I mean there is a good reason why they start testing on animals fist

In any case I’m not that optimistic that they will develop something quickly , from what I’ve read some vaccines take even a decade to be developed so it’s no sprint , more like a marathon
And to this day I’m not even sure that they have developed any vaccines for Ebola or Zika , or SARS , mers
The minimum time required is 18 months everyone is saying unless of course the Chinese are half way there and they are keeping it a secret
In the meantime let’s hope that they can find better ways to treat the infected , I’m guessing that they are constantly experimenting with patients needing urgent care

 

[EagerBeaver]

Trump Orders 3M To Stop Exporting Masks to Canada

Canada is now going to be on its own on the N95 masks:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52161032

You guys are going to have to suck it up- literally and figuratively.

 

[cloudsurf]

Beav don`t make a joke out of how serious a trade war for PPE would be. The USA is a net importer of PPE....it would harm itself by banning N95 masks from export to countries that supply the US with other essential equipment or parts.

 

[cloudsurf]

Guys do your souls a favour and read the awesome words of @laylahayek on twitter. She is a gorgeous escort and Playboy centerfold.

 

[jalimon]

No need for such humour EB. Unless it satisfies you personally to do so. All good then.

Will check Layla cloud. By the way i am a bit concerned about Lolathebrat... She quit all social media presence. Truly hope she’s fine. Cannot stop thinking about her since february...

 

[The Nature Boy]

I said a long fucking time ago in this thread that I would be fine with a true 30-day lockdown. I said what I feared was a long drawn-out half-assed approach, which is exactly what we got.

That is the approach that could lead us to the Great Depression 2.0. I would rather they do nothing and try for herd immunity faster, even if it kills some people, in comparison to the half-assed approach.

“Kills some people”????? U think doing nothing is just gonna kill “some people”? If Cuomo did absolutely nothing in NYC, you don’t think that would lead to some sort of depression?

dude, as this whole scenario as evolved over the last two months it’s more than clear to me you got absolutely no idea of what your talking about. From calling this shit “another flu” to “I suspect the mortality rate will decrease when the virus hits countries with 1st world health care” it’s @ a point where I’m even questioning you believe your own bullshit and are just trying to come off provocative to look cool. I will take the medical expert advise any day over someone’s who has consistently gotten it wrong.

as per that drug? That dude should be given the drug, no question, it’s not fair. But what’s the difference between Gilead denying remdesivir to this dude, and you denying not just the elderly and vulnerable but others the right to a fighting chance from staying healthy with your “go about your biz, some of you will make it, some of you won’t” mentality? I don’t see any difference.

What would I do? Not any of the things your proposing by any means. I’d prob be a bit more hardliners than the moves proposed in this article

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2007263

to say to some “ur just gonna have to take it on the chin for the rest of us” is just unacceptable, again to quote Trump, “the $$ will come back, you can’t get lives back”

the economy will tank, certainly with what is goin on now, more so with this herd immunity bull shit. What your proposing isnt even anything remotely close to herd immunity, lol, so the Economy is most certainly gonna get fucked

 

[The Nature Boy]

Canada is now going to be on its own on the N95 masks:

https://www

You guys are going to have to suck it up- literally and figuratively.

the way the Quebec governor has kinda been on the ball with stuff, more proactive than reactive, they may have all the N-95 masks they need hopefully. But again, respect the pathogen I’m sure he does, so positive he’s got a plan B

 

[IamNY]

What 3M was doing to the USA was criminal. We are in desperate need for these masks and 3M was prioritizing other countries because of the mighty dollar. Putting American first responders at risk so 3M could profit on orders from other countries. Their CEO Roman was trying to spin it as if they were doing the right thing for the world but it was all about the Benjamin's. When this is all over their CEO should be hung.

 

[jalimon]

I do get that Americain are frustrated right now and in need to vent it out.

In my opinion we were 1 week too late in Quebec. Having shut down just before springbreak would have been ideal. But still we were 2 full weeks ahead of the US who were still in denial. These 2 weeks would have been crucial. Look at the numbers now. US has tested only 4,112 per million people. Half of what Canada did. 1/3 of Quebec. The Swiss have tested 17,729 people per million. Efficacy of the Swiss at it's best. Norway is even better. France is doing so poorly on that front it's a shame.

Patron your concept do not pisses me off. But it's the only way to go. Herd immunity does not work because right now who would take the risk to go back to normal life?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Beav don`t make a joke out of how serious a trade war for PPE would be. The USA is a net importer of PPE....it would harm itself by banning N95 masks from export to countries that supply the US with other essential equipment or parts.

There was nothing about my post that was a joke. This is a real news not fake.

 

[The Nature Boy]

It would be waaaaaay more than 100,000 - 200,000 dead if we had it your way patron with waaay more economic instability.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Patron your concept do not pisses me off. But it's the only way to go. Herd immunity does not work because right now who would take the risk to go back to normal life?

i don’t think what he’s describing is herd immunity though?? It’s NOT just let everyone catch it and immunity develops, there ALSO, has to be some sort of vaccination process in place.

 

[cloudsurf]

Patron we`ll soon see if herd immunity works in Brazil. The central government is not taking any steps to stop the spread, although some States and local governments are doing their best. Open your eyes and look at human nature. Even if the US government did nothing and left all commerce open and running....the majority of the population would self isolate.
It would only drag things out even more and instead of 200,000 deaths there would be 500,000 to a million deaths with people dying in hallways of hospital and on side walks.

BTW walooo you are in panic mode and not thinking logically. Roman will move to Canada as a hero and be given honorary Canadian citizenship for doing the right thing.

 

[jalimon]

And I am going to allow my mind to keep working. I simply don’t understand why it is so offensive to question why pharmaceutical companies and hospitals must stick to the traditional regimen?

Read the latest development on vaccines and treatment and you will see that they won't. The FDA is already working alongside many laboratories and pharma and will cut some corners. They already did.

If doctors and patients are willing to take risks and try larger samples and earlier tests if drugs in a special circumstance?

They will. But remember a Vaccines does not work 100% of the time. For those already sick the best hope is with new treatment. Vaccines will be at first given to front line staff physicians, nurse, etc..

A recap of current research: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...-vaccines-heres-where-things-stand-2020-03-06

 

[The Nature Boy]

Patron, 7000/330,000,000, is not a #!!!! It’s health care workers/1st responders going into work with out proper equipment! It’s a field hospital being set up in Central Park, FUCKING CENTRAL PARK! It’s a mom and dad having to tell a 13 yo on a vent good bye via FaceTime. And yes it is also the restaurant owner who is now in the whole cause he’s paying his furloughed workers health insurance. I’m not trying to be a sensationalist but this is happening. You can’t flash fucking numbers up like that and say it’s minimal yea I’d give that dude remdesivir. And dude, why not expend some of that energy you spent writing translations, reviews and step by step tutorials, (all well appreciative mind you but a bit redundant sometimes) to writing to Gilead or leading some campaign for this dude??

Jalimon, well said in post 1720!

 

[Doc Holliday]

Let me tell you something.....

I was a front-line health care worker for over 30+ years until i chose to retire a few years ago. I worked in the field through SARS & later H1N1. It was never even close to being this bad! I remember having to work with gowns, gloves, goggles, both surgical & N95 masks and let me tell you that it was extremely uncomfortable (especially during warm weather) but we all realized it was mandatory for our personal protection and others in our everyday lives.

Were i still in the field today THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY I'D ACCEPT TO WORK IN THIS PANDEMIC WITHOUT PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT. NO FUCKING WAY!!! I'D STAY HOME & THEY'D HAVE TO DRAG MY ASS OUT OF THE HOUSE TO GET ME TO AGREE TO SACRIFICE MY LIFE OUT THERE IN THE HEALTHCARE FIELD BECAUSE THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT WAS TOO STUPID AND CARELESS TO PROVIDE US WITH THE PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT!

 

[jalimon]

22 fucking days I have been at home. I am lucky I have a big home in a quiet suburb. Still I am not one to live like a hermit.

The girl are really not what I miss right now (well I think about Lolathebrat every 5 minutes but that's because she is so hot and I am always horny). Dont miss going to work either.

What I miss is soccer! I miss watching it. Playing it with the kids. Coaching it. Bringing my youngest to his practice, games, tournament (yes even in winter he plays year round). It takes a crazy situation like this to truly find what gives a meaning to your life doesn't it?

Ok going for a walk... Again...

 

[EagerBeaver]

China Donating Ventilators to NY

The Chinese come through!!!

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-04-20/h_1f631979b35b4bcfa05223e75c101e9b

 

[Cruiser777]

Canada is now going to be on its own on the N95 masks:

You guys are going to have to suck it up- literally and figuratively.

There might be a solution...to get even ???
(Apparently most of the raw materials for masks made in the US are exported by Canada).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...o-make-pulp-for-medical-masks-gowns-1.5507661

Sampson says the U.S. company that's been ordering the K10S pulp for years suddenly doubled its orders over the past week.

Also EB, I will propose, enforced by our agencies and SPs that they charge TARRIFS (A la Trump) to all US clients after this thing is over...