Coronavirus

[jalimon]

patron malaria pills and hiv anti-viral drugs took years of research.

But i understand your point by speeding up the process. Still choosing the wrong one could lead to wasting FDA ressources, time and more death.

Short term its ultra rapid massive testing methods with results within minutes... Thats the only short term solutions to get out of our homes before a vaccine is out.

 

[cloudsurf]

I`m tired of all this bickering, blame throwing and fake news …..even by trusted experts like Fauchi.

Here is some advice that may save you from spreading the virus or infecting yourself.

I saw a slow motion film of a sneeze. The bulk of it travels 5 to 6 feet and stops , droplets linger in the air and eventually drop to the ground. If they contain coronavirus then that virus will live at least a few hours and can be picked up by your shoes as you walk outside or in a pharmacy or super market.

So to prevent spread of the virus in your home....take off your shoes before you enter and rinse the soles and spray the shoes with a fine rubbing alcohol mist.
Wash tour hands right after .

Stay safe and please think of all possible consequences before you act. Stop blaming politicians and the press and start thanking first responders and health care workers for the sacrifice they make .

 

[Doc Holliday]

Now we're learning that Trump has ordered 3M to stop sending N95 masks to Canada. Just great!

The other night i was watching a very good documentary on PBS about the 1918 flu pandemic. Medical authorities learned many things from the pandemic. At first they believed they had developed a vaccine for the bacteria. But they realized it wasn't working since it wasn't a bacteria. It was a virus, which at the time wasn't visible under the microscopes they were using at the time. So how can you develop a cure to something you can't see?

Everyone was wearing masks in public but people were still being infected as ever! They realized masks were inneffective against millions of the virus' particles in the air. Those millions of particles could very easily get through the masks. N95 masks have since been invented but they are not effective for everyone. For example i got tested several times over the years for the N95 mask and although it was a great mask for me to wear in the past over time it was no longer effective for me since it didn't make a perfect seal with my face. Therefore i had to wear other types of masks.

One thing i learned about the 1918 flu in the documentary is that the pandemic ended fairly abrupty over the following year or two. Experts concluded that the virus simply ran out of hosts where it could live in & continue to spread itself. By that time people had either died from it or the ones who survived had developed antibodies to it due to previous infection.

So until each person (healthy or not) can get tested on this planet and a vaccine is invented then the only hope we seem to have is social distancing. Social distancing works but everyone has to be on board. You can't have states telling people to stay home & apart from one another and other states (all red states, by the way) ignoring the directives & trying to live life just like the coronarivus doesn't exist. It's like a swimming pool. You can have 10 people in the swimming pool and 9 out of those 10 people don't pee in the pool while only 1 person out of those decides to pee in the pool. It's only 1 out of 10 people who peed in the pool but because of that 1 idiot the entire pool is now infected with pee!

 

[Man911]

25% who got Coronavirus don't have any symptoms. That mean, the Spread will never end.

 

[jalimon]

Man911 some studies in Iceland just reported 50% asymptomatics cases. As I wrote before only very rapid massive testing can help short term. Until we get a vaccines in a year or 2.

So we just learn Micheal Rosenberg is in critical care because of Covid-19. On March 16 the family did not cancel the wedding of their daughter. Half participant were from New York. Of course none respected the mandatory quarantine for visitors. 200-300 attended. He is one of richest in Quebec. The fact that he may now die does not do me a thing because they were obviously very stupid (to be polite) to go ahead with that wedding. It's the fact many other may die because of their stupidity!

 

[Man911]

Man911 some studies in Iceland just reported 50% asymptomatics cases. As I wrote before only very rapid massive testing can help short term. Until we get a vaccines in a year or 2.

I agreed with you. But there still 4700 people waiting for the results in Quebec. How can We test 8 millions persons?
Also, when the lockdown is over or partially in 2 or 3 month, there still 25 to 50% asymtomatics, It could be your friends, neighbours or co-workers or SP. It not their fault, the contamination still go on.
Life Will never be the same.

 

[EagerBeaver]

All of the cases in Fairfield County, CT resulted from the same thing, a rich family in Westport decided to throw a big birthday party for someone who was turning 40 and invited visitors from New York and other countries. And half of the people or more at the party developed symptoms and I think a few died. This is what happens when social distancing isn't observed.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Brooke Baldwin has Covid-19:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/media/brooke-baldwin-coronavirus/index.html

 

[jalimon]

We are testing a lot in Quebec. Results are still slow... But we are still far better right now then Ontario. Or some US states who will only test if you have symptoms!

The thing to know is how EB just explained. Outspread of such virus are dangerous mainly in big social gathering. With rapid massive testing authorities would be able to test everyone involved in such gathering very quickly and then reduce the spread each one of these people could have. Containment is the short term solution to improve our life until a vaccine is found. But for that we need accurate 15 min test possible. Some were already FDA approved but not yet in massive production.

As for life never being the same you are correct. Maybe the current situation is the planet giving us a warning that we need to slow down. That we are too much and we are polluting way too much.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Originally Posted by cloudsurf View Post What the fuck is happening in Quebec ?

I think we will have an answer to that very soon, just watch the numbers exploding all over, especially in Ontario.

 

[The Nature Boy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-52125713

beautiful article about us in North American are taking things not far enough and that social distancing and well “and then some” goes a long way to quell the virus. We need to get efficient

 

[cloudsurf]

We are in the midst of a great pandemic , but the next one is already on its way unless we humans change the way we interact with nature and wildlife....starting with wet markets in Asia and bushmeat markets in Africa.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...fe-scientists-say/ar-BB12907c?ocid=spartandhp

 

[EagerBeaver]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-52125713beautiful article about us in North American are taking things not far enough and that social distancing and well “and then some” goes a long way to quell the virus. We need to get efficient

There will be a series of viral pandemics and the result worldwide will be a rise in authoritarian governments that can deal more efficiently with pandemics. Populations in the weak, inefficient democratic states will be thinned, whereas the police states will be less effected due to the efficient, ironclad ruling of their populations. With a few more pandemics we will see the rise of totalitarian regimes like Hitler's Germany and Stalin's USSR, and perhaps a Mussolini-like leader in the pandemic ravaged Italy. This is what lies in the future. As populations increased all over the world, this was the inevitable result. Pandemics historically have occurred during surges in the populations.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Amazing that no one here talks about this kind of stuff.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...ra-levels-2020-04-03?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Is everyone here, except the providers, just so financially set (including government retirement benefits) that it just doesn’t effect them?

So what is your solution dude? Tell us?

Dude, I’m out of fucking work just like the providers u claim to be an advocate for. Whose gonna come fuckin pay my kids tuition? What am I gonna charge Jalimon and flying guy $100/week for my titty pic texts? I might have to go do shit I haven’t done in years and be in the thick of this bullshit just so you can post step by step tutorials on how to get laid in papa New Guinea on ISG. 10 days after you posted the exact same tutorial to answer the same question but by another dush bag who just can’t read a fuckin forum. This is what it is. Stop being an Ameri-CANT and turn yourself into an America-CAN luv, you can do it!

 

[The Nature Boy]

What exactly have you done to help a provider out during this period of uncertainty?

 

[Versaute]

Wish some of you medical experts would explain the logic of this to me.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/family-34-old-father-2-175700469.html

So a regular doctor can do off-label prescriptions for this type of drug, but if someone is on a ventilator, I guess he can’t very well get to the pharmacy.

There is a simple explanation. The drug discussed in the article, e.g. remdesevir, is an investigational drug. That means it’s not on the market for any approved use. So, off-label use is a moot and irrelevant argument. Off-label implies use outside an approved label for a drug already on the market. I would stick to hyperventilating about topics you actually know something about.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Covid 19 Triage

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-hospital-ethics-ventilators-invs/index.html

Hospitals will be giving ventilators to those with the best chance to survive and longest life expectancy. That means if you walk into the ER and are in similar bad shape to the guy next to you who is a year younger, he gets the ventilator, and you are on your own.

 

[Meta not Meta]

There will be a series of viral pandemics and the result worldwide will be a rise in authoritarian governments that can deal more efficiently with pandemics. Populations in the weak, inefficient democratic states will be thinned, whereas the police states will be less effected due to the efficient, ironclad ruling of their populations. With a few more pandemics we will see the rise of totalitarian regimes like Hitler's Germany and Stalin's USSR, and perhaps a Mussolini-like leader in the pandemic ravaged Italy. This is what lies in the future. As populations increased all over the world, this was the inevitable result. Pandemics historically have occurred during surges in the populations.

Not at all implausible.

So here's a dystopian perspective:

In which more Trump-ism already feels inevitable ... so, too, does increasing mass surveillance becoming omnipresent ....increasing individual isolation, psychosis and suspicion of neighbors ... nations retreating behind ever-fortified borders, both physically & metaphorically ... economic protectionism becoming a given ... the drastic curtailment of mass transit and air travel between countries ... and even the forced dispersion of populations away from the super-sized cities that help breed contagion ....

Just some possibilities of what may lie ahead given your scenario.

https://youtu.be/hxiq8n2g_us

 

[Meta not Meta]

February, jeezus, and it feels like twenty years ago already ...

Heavy, heavy police presence on Ave du Parc this evening ... have never seen anything like it, between Mont Royal & Parc Jeanne Mance ... counted six patrol cars in the space of just a few minutes, four at Monument Cartier alone, but didn't see any on my jog through the park itself.

Gotta say, the young people around here have been pretty law-abiding, so far as I can tell, and it's the street people further downtown who are, at least anecdotally, more likely to group together ...

Just an observation.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Be careful martial law is soon coming. The coronavirus will come and go will never forget how easy it was to control everyones life. Control every roadway, restaurant, stores, etc. And society welcomed it in fact demanded complete lockdown. More prohibition and maybe authoritarian type of government is coming all at the expense of liberty. I dunno about you but I am more worried about this then some virus.