Climate change

[Bred Sob]

In 2008, at the age of 79, the retired physicist announced in a panel discussion that he was a climate change skeptic, although he had no research experience in climate change. He was receiving funding at the time by Phillip Morris and Big Tobacco.

This particular canard is pretty old and has been debunked many times, you should try harder. Maybe google for two minutes instead of one? But in any case Ivar Giaever is a terrible person, no doubt about it. As a knowledgeable person put it:

Dr. Giaever attended a school insulated with asbestos, then went on to drive a Chevy product. It is well known that the 1962 Chevy Corvair was associated with many deaths.

Also, in 1973 Dr. Giaever kept an ashtray on his desk, which clearly links him with Big Tobacco.


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In 1984 Dr. Giaever received two windshield wiper blades from his local Shell station upon redeeming points, which clearly demonstrates he received something from Big Oil.​

Dr. Giaever often saw former President Ronald Reagan on television, and of course Reagan was on the right. Thus Dr. Giaever is highly influenced by right-wing idealism.​

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I’m not saying Dr. Giaever is a bad person, but I would be very careful leaving puppies or small children near him or his family.​

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[heliragedeleted]

Ivar Giaever Is irrelevant. Amongst the scientific community there will always be outliers and he is definitely one of them. The vast majority of scientists believe in the effects of human populations on the world at large. What will happen in the future and when is hard to accurately predict. One thing we know is that things will change. Some of us will be a witness to that change. I guess most of the SP’s will be that witness and most of the clients will not, lol
Salty is right in saying what ever we do will not change anything in the long run because of we are too small a country to have any real influence. I agree with that but then I believe that example of proper behaviour can influence larger communities. We should be the exemple, but we won’t do it because it is sacrificing too much....

 

[Fradi]

Whatever we do is not going to make one bit of difference.
I have been to Russia and China, refused to go to India, and all the crap that these countries and other developing countries spew into the atmosphere out-ways our minuscule attempts.

yeah I know, it starts at home and all that crap, but it doesn’t it should be with the largest contributors

 

[jalimon]

Whatever we do is not going to make one bit of difference.
I have been to Russia and China, refused to go to India, and all the crap that these countries and other developing countries spew into the atmosphere out-ways our minuscule attempts.

Wait wait... In china, india, mexico city to name a few there are places where the air is so polluted that they cannot send kids to school for many days per year. These places will auto-regulate themselves they will have no choice if they want to survive.

These developing countries are only doing what we did in america and europe for years. If they reach our level of living we are completely doomed.

We can keep investing in fossils fuel but the demand will be much much lower within 10-15 years. Electricity is the future. And the new oil is Lithium. Which is needed in all batteries. If south-america play they card wisely they can become the next emirates of Lithium

Cheers,

 

[martbl]

These developing countries are only doing what we did in america and europe for years. If they reach our level of living we are completely doomed.

Hopefuly not, it seems like the "Western" lifestyle is considered as a model in those countries, so if ecological responsibility becomes the norm here we can hope it catches on everywhere.

The other thing is innovation, if technology can make "green energy" cheaper it can help too.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I read somewhere that a climate change scientist stated " For the human contribution to climate change imagine putting a drop of red dye into a pool every year, after many many years people will notice the red dye. For humans to reverse this it would be the same as taking a drop of red dye out of the pool every year"
As for China being the leader in solar panel building, yes they make and sell them but use coal generators.
The largest power producers in China have asked the government to allow for the development of between 300 and 500 new coal power plants by 2030 in a move that could single-handedly jeopardise global climate change targets.
A few nations gave up on rapid advancement of alternative energy, not feasible yet and have retreated their rapid Go Green.
Fear mongering by politicians and the UN ( which should be shutdown ) got a lot of people's panties in a knot.
Yes, climate is changing, we have had 5 global ice ages and they all have a warming trend after.. just like now.
There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's history (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, late Paleozoic, and the latest Quaternary Ice Age). Outside these ages, the Earth seems to have been ice free even in high latitudes.
What a cash grab by politicians, what a bunch of sheep believing taxes will fix it.

 

[Albacor]

Arrr... Climat change, green house effect, carbon tax, all these are BS, it is a religion, you can believe it or not? if you believe it, then you plunge into it. Just like any religion, you believe it, then you practice it, then you will go to church, a mosque, a synagogue or a temple to worship. if you don't then stay out.
In a documentary I saw on TV it shows that scientist dig out deep sample underneath the ice of the North pole, bring them back to the lab, it shows that million years ago, North Pole is an exotic jungle: it have trees like the Amazon ! actually it is a cycle of global warming, it's all natural ! we are going into a warm cycle, that's all!
Funny thing it's all about $ people try to take advantage and take $ out of your pocket! rich people doesn't car about carbon tax, they still driving Ferrari, Porsche, etc... $0.60 tax on a liter of gas doesn't limit or reduce them to drive; it's only hurting poor people like us! when we go to grocery shopping, you can not carry 10 Kg bag of rice and take the bus! you have no choice to take your car!
All politicians are hypocrites, all they want to collect taxes.
Montreal barns home chimneys, barn bagel bakeries because they pollute the air, :ban: makes all streets impossible to drive by car, raise parking rates; but allows Grand Prix Formular1 which pollutes equally to 11,000 cars running ! come on guys ! wake up ! $$$$$$ :crazy:
You tell me? :doh:

 

[heliragedeleted]

Albacor... it’s not a religion, lol. The only gods I pray to are the pussy gods. I because convinced of the reality of the situation because I read about the data. I saw that the scientific community became more and more cohesive behind the idea of climate change and then I started seeing the effets with my own eyes.
Look I understand not wanting to give up of the lifestyle we have and that is the primary problem.
GMÀ s suggestion for young undergrads to go into this field of study is a very elegant suggestion which I fully back.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

My daughter just finished college and is starting environmental studies in university, she will find lots of work due to this " climate change " issue. We have many discussions about this. She does realize that it is a cycle and people are over reacting but it is where the future employment is. The climate believer have their blinders on, claim it is happening but still use fossil fuels to the max, climate politicians can not lead by example and do teleconference calls and need to fly in private jets and live in massive houses.... Money grab that fools many.

 

[Bred Sob]

I am surprised no one has mentioned farting cows yet. A clear and present danger if we've ever seen one.

 

[jalimon]

I am surprised no one has mentioned farting cows yet. A clear and present danger if we've ever seen one.

I am surprised no one has ever though of recuperating these gazes to exploit them. I am pretty sure they can heat buildings and/or be used for public transport. I should build a business... But men I suffer from clay fever cannot enter a stable...

Cheers,

 

[Bred Sob]

I am pretty sure they can heat buildings and/or be used for public transport.

What kind of public transport do you have in mind? Hot air balloons?

 

[Bred Sob]

Thank you, GMA, a very informative clip. At the very least, its first minute that I dutifully watched.

Reinforces my long-held belief that unless we grow gills and switch to eating seaweed within the next few months (say, by the end of this summer), we are truly and completely fucked. I hope all honest people who care about our planet's future, have already embarked on the training regimen required to reach that goal.

 

[2fast2slow]

I beleive in climate change, but am always dubious about water usage claims. They use to say: 'when you drink a glass of water in a restaurant, you are really drinking 3; 1 you drink, 1 to clean and 1 to rinse''. What that statement omits, is that you are not destroying 3 glasses of water, just moving it around. 2 glasses go directly down the drain, will get cleaned downstrean at the plant and dumped back into a river. the other glass will take a small detour through your body first but will eventually end up in the same place, also cleaned of your body waste. the small fraction that you exhale and sweat is released 'cleanly' back in the air.

same with agriculture and animal use. water is not destroyed, just moved around. I guess some water is involved in chemical processes in plants and animal, but most gets excreted

 

[CLOUD 500]

2fast2slow,

Currently the biggest pollution right now and the biggest threat is the over population of humans. About water moving around the problem is that water is limited the more humans there are the less of it there is to go around. Canada is lucky to be surrounded by so much water but go to places like India and you see the difference. They do not take showers like us, they use buckets of water while we just leave the shower running. Often water is cut there so water is not always available people have to store water. With the developed big cities this is much less an issue there.

 

[2fast2slow]

There will always be enough water, maybe not evenly distributed amonst the worlds population like we would like, but the total water volume on the planet is NOT going down. But climate change is another beast altogether. I worry (maybe i worry too much) that climate change could bring catastrophic change to our planet. And for what? because we could not control our climate changing emissions? sounds silly. But I am optmistic that electric vehicles will slowly replace most gas vehicles, and that we will find a way to make tasty meat in a lab cheaply.

 

[heliragedeleted]

Thank you, GMA, a very informative clip. At the very least, its first minute that I dutifully watched.

Reinforces my long-held belief that unless we grow gills and switch to eating seaweed within the next few months (say, by the end of this summer), we are truly and completely fucked. I hope all honest people who care about our planet's future, have already embarked on the training regimen required to reach that goal.

You are always the optimist... no I think we have till Sunday then I ´m getting fucked.

 

[Reuben]

Evidently the North Pole is experiencing a 40C increase in temperature this year due to global warming. With the crappy cool weather we have been having in Montreal this spring you would think there is global cooling in effect.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^Yeah.... No.
It is due to a polar vortex that started in 2018. Same with the cold in the N.E. US, same vortex.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Evidently the North Pole is experiencing a 40C increase in temperature this year due to global warming. With the crappy cool weather we have been having in Montreal this spring you would think there is global cooling in effect.

An ignorant post, but if you understood climate change you would not have wrote this. There is a jet stream that flows west to east. The one that affects us to the most is the polar jet stream. Its strength depends on how cold the arctic is, the colder the arctic is the greater the temperature difference between the polar region and temperate region which results in a very strong jet stream flow thus a jet stream that is almost straight which keeps the cold arctic air up north. However due to the warming arctic the temperature difference is reducing which is weakening the jet stream thus why we are having a more erratic stream with large dips and ridges. Familiar with the polar vortex? Look it up on google. The issue with a weak jet stream is that it is creating a very deep dip on the eastern side letting that cold arctic air into the northeastern seaboard. It is far worse for Siberia. It will only get worse. Our winters will be getting colder, snowier, and longer. BTW have you noticed how the west British Columbia is always under a heat wave? The west used to be the area with cool wet summers now the pattern reversed. In the west the jet stream always has a huge ridge letting in warm tropical air. Knowledge is power. Look it up. There is a science behind it.