I mean the having the decoy everything. Burner. Fake everything to present. It's just so much. Normal would be leave personals in the vehicle.
Client security
- Thread starter urquell
- Start date
The irony would be that someone steal something from your car while you think the SP is the most risky one.
One of my regulars got his car stolen during an appointment with me, back in like 2022. I felt bad for him and he was like "its ok I have insurance and it was worth it" lol
I've only gotten into this world recently so all this seems so over-the-top and unnecessary but I get it if you came up when and where the laws/stigmas were more draconian. I didn't even think of half of these as a potential issue.
I always wonder of the situation where you have to make a police statement and you say like "I was just buying something at Pharmaprix and when I went back the car was not here" and deep inside you know perfectly what you were doing while this happened
when you get around a little more you might look at it a bit differently, depending on how you source your companions. The laws actually have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's not even necessarily that it's something that happened to you, but word gets around about all the potential scams and risks available to clients, and how to protect yourself from them. You don't have to have been a victim of a Nigerian email scam to know that you shouldn't fall for one. Most of the things people have mentioned literally take no time to do so there's really no harm in it.
Last edited:
Hey, as I said, I'll take your word for it, esp when it comes to different countries. All I know is if I thought I needed to do half of that I probably never would have seen a companion initially, not for the time but for the paranoia of it. It would detract from the experience in my mind.
It might not be necessary. As I said, it depends in large part on how you source the companions. If I was going to see @Rebaynia or @Julia Sky I probably wouldn't worry about it (except for the screening. nobody gets that). If I was seeing someone new from LL or an indy MP then I definitely would. in other countries carrying decoy wallets or whatever isn't just a hobby precaution, but a normal travel precaution, for example. In any case, if you're going to limit yourself to MERB girls and reputable agencies then almost all of this is unnecessary, minus the screening stuff, which frankly, IMHO, you'd be nuts to give to anyone. Still, if you're cool with giving out the ID info and deposits and you're limiting yourself to the aforementioned then you probably have absolutely nothing to worry about except where your personal info goes. If you do decide to explore outside of the inner circle then you may want to consider appropriate precautions again going back to where you're sourcing from. 95% of the time it's all completely unnecessary, like having insurance on your car or home, but.......
Last edited:
I respect that and think it's good advice for people who want to minimize risk nonetheless.
Yeah, I think it almost has to come into play at some point for most mongers, because the world of MERB indies and agencies is so limited in scope and so restrictive in practice that almost everyone is going to want to take off the training wheels and experiment a bit outside of the safe zone. YMMV, of course. For some people that's exactly in their wheelhouse and exactly what they want and never would they stray, as they're perfectly happy in that zone, so never need they worry.
I was much more active 20 years ago. I'd book SPs from the ads in the back of The Mirror. I never gave security much thought because I had nothing to steal. No smartphone, credit card maxed out, and my bank account was in overdraft already. At worst, it would just be a nuisance to get new ID and such.
These days I'm only booking SPs that have a good online presence. I'm pretty sure none of the ladies here are going to steal my shitty old motorola phone.
These days I'm only booking SPs that have a good online presence. I'm pretty sure none of the ladies here are going to steal my shitty old motorola phone.
My online/gamer name...
if I used my regular name, I would be damn near impossible to find. It is a very popular name. Why else do you think I adopted the name Rebaynia 20 years ago. Rebaynia is more personal than my own given name. It is a collection of letters that means nothing to anyone else except me. But I also always said if I was ever going to be known in my life by others, Rebaynia would be the name I was known by.To google my given name, you might find me on page 300 of a Google search.
Phone, I got into this before even considering fake numbers. I made an ad, and only a year later started actually participating on this board, to find out others have seperate phones, or use apps. Too late to change by that point. What am I going to do, have a seperate personal phone so I can get the 1 call a month that isn't a client? I have always been an introvert, even my own family forgets to invite me to family celebrations, because I skipped out on so many.
I created a work email about the same time I created a website. Before that point it was simple, I didn't accept emails. Even now email is the worst way to contact me. I could go days before remembering to check it.
So... to recap, no you don't use your actual name, no you don't use your personal email, and you don't use a separate phone because you have for all intents and purposes no personal use for it, only a business use? If you grant that most people use their phone pretty religiously for personal reasons would it be out of line to say that most people in the business change their name/phone/email for business purposes, keeping their personal identity separate? If we do grant that that's the case can we also grant that the reason that it's done is to provide personal anonymity and personal security? Lastly, if this is the case for SPs, and if it's super easy to do (it is) then is there any reason why clients shouldn't do it to protect their own safety/privacy? Why would the standard be any different?My online/gamer name...
To google my given name, you might find me on page 300 of a Google search.
Phone, I got into this before even considering fake numbers. I made an ad, and only a year later started actually participating on this board, to find out others have seperate phones, or use apps. Too late to change by that point. What am I going to do, have a seperate personal phone so I can get the 1 call a month that isn't a client? I have always been an introvert, even my own family forgets to invite me to family celebrations, because I skipped out on so many.
I created a work email about the same time I created a website. Before that point it was simple, I didn't accept emails. Even now email is the worst way to contact me. I could go days before remembering to check it.
Doing the devil's advocate when you CLEARLY know why it's different is mind blowing. Have you ever been rape by a SP? Beat by a SP? Got life threats by a SP? Online video of you naked or having sex posted online or sent to your wife/kids/boss? I know the answers for all of these will be no. For us, it happen all the time. Yes, believe it or not. So thats why it's different. Not so hard to understand
I'm not sure why your tone is so angry here, since I'm having a civil discussion here, but let's unpack this:
1) I never said that there weren't dangers to SPs. In fact I understand completely why SPs operate anonymously and as you said I clearly understand the dangers. I encourage the SPs to take precautions to protect themselves.
2) What is different is that you don't seem to understand the dangers to clients, possibly because you don't think of yourself as a danger to them. No, clients are not likely to get raped. They are, however, in danger of being robbed, beaten and robbed, scammed, video'd, photographed and blackmailed. I also know of one case where the SPs job was to keep the client busy and their confederate cleaned out the undefended car, took photos of the plate etc. I personally know several people that have been robbed and I have had minor articles and amounts of cash stolen from me. I personally know one guy who has been beaten and robbed, and I know of several others not anecdotally but through direct conversations with gents while traveling. I know personally one man who was blackmailed for almost 3 years. So, if you're telling me you know what my answers are going to be then you're clearly mistaken. I've belonged to probably someone around 20 boards over the course of my adventures in the hobby. There are hundreds of accounts of men being victims for all the types of interactions I've described, and thousands of minor infractions like deposits disappearing, minor personal articles or amounts of money disappearing, etc. Also, when traveling the loss of personal documents can be potentially devastating and of great personal concern, but yes, I understand that doesn't apply here.
So, why should clients take precautions? You're right. Not so hard to understand. It also doesn't preclude SPs from taking steps to protect themselves too. Everyone deserves to be safe.
Last edited:
I think the angriness here is because your initial question to Rebaynia is a rhetorical question.
Both clients and SP need anonymity for the reasons we know. However your question might have been about the level of anonymity and security needed and if that could be equally the same needed on both side.
Because what I have is a business and am providing a service, and it isn't myself I am protecting, but my kids.
Your place of work doesn't give out your personal details to customers, or clients. Because you are entitled to be off the clock when you go home, and be allotted your safty, free time and space. But are your customers or clients taken seriously or even catered to if they give false information. Most that require identification, the moment they know you are giving false information will disreguard you as a customer, and send you on your way.
And the part you don't want to admit a real safty factor for us, if someone does wrong by us we have the right to report them to the cops. RAPE happens, STALKING happens, KIDNAPPING happens, MURDER happens. And whoever is our security needs to know who we were with in the event anything actually happens to us. You providing false information is a direct attack on our safty. Most providers are little women who have no defense to the men they are going to see and are in a very vulnerable state left alone in a room with a stranger who could do any number of unspeakable things to her. You are not the vulnerable one in this and are interfering with her safty in that reguard.
If you don't want to share personal details, then don't see people who require personal details, but to fabricate everything, only leaves me to wonder what the motive is. My concern is the person fabricating an identity, plans on doing those other things, and just doesn't want to get caught when he does.
I think one point that is hard to argue is to be able to have a mutual trust between a SP and a client.
A honest client might be upset that a SP doesn't trust him. A SP might be upset that her screening requirements are not respected.
But in both perspective one cannot trust the other party as trust needs to be gained. So everyone has their own way to keep oneself safe.
And that's sometimes there might be arguments or just pass to another client or SP ...
And yes I get it. There are those who scam, and pimps, and yes sex also attracts a very dark side of society looking to make victims on either side. But that's where researching the person you are inviting into your bed becomes important. If they seem sketchy, like for us with clients. Then it is up to you not to complete the booking.
There are some providers it isn't even an incall location, but their own home address they give out to people. We all have varying degrees of how safe/unsafe we actually are in how we conduct our businesses.
Agreed. The shitty people on both sides of the transaction, ruin it for the others. But guess I should count my blessings. All this paranoia means the ones who act like SPs are a conspiracy theory to uncover become easier to avoid.
Like you dating a woman, you don't want a woman with too much baggage.
I don't want a client with conspiracy style baggage vs providers. Too far gone in the mistrust.
There are some providers it isn't even an incall location, but their own home address they give out to people. We all have varying degrees of how safe/unsafe we actually are in how we conduct our businesses.
Agreed. The shitty people on both sides of the transaction, ruin it for the others. But guess I should count my blessings. All this paranoia means the ones who act like SPs are a conspiracy theory to uncover become easier to avoid.
Like you dating a woman, you don't want a woman with too much baggage.
I don't want a client with conspiracy style baggage vs providers. Too far gone in the mistrust.
Last edited:
Similar threads
