Charlie Kirk shot dead today

[Sean007]

This is exactly the problem. That 20-second clip is a classic case of cherry-picking to push a narrative. Without the full discussion, it’s impossible to see what he was actually addressing, the nuance, or the examples he gave.

Here ya go:

It is not any différent that in the shorter clip. You can think hé is right or wrong hé is promoting more guns despite the fat that the US has more guns that any country in the world and more deaths by guns per capita as well. You can think gun contrôle would not change anything and putting armes guards everywhere is the solution. His comparison with driving is preposterous, as I dont think there are significsnt variances in the world on car accidents ( never researched it)…. everyine meeds a driver licence. Again it is a matter of opinion but that is what he said. He packages it well, he is a good speaker, but he is wrong in my view. But still no reason to shoot him nor to be happy about his death which is still a tragedy.

 

[Valentina Amante]

It is not any différent that in the shorter clip. You can think hé is right or wrong hé is promoting more guns despite the fat that the US has more guns that any country in the world and more deaths by guns per capita as well. You can think gun contrôle would not change anything and putting armes guards everywhere is the solution. His comparison with driving is preposterous, as I dont think there are significsnt variances in the world on car accidents ( never researched it)…. everyine meeds a driver licence. Again it is a matter of opinion but that is what he said. He packages it well, he is a good speaker, but he is wrong in my view. But still no reason to shoot him nor to be happy about his death which is still a tragedy.

As I mentioned, I’ve never been a CK fanatic, I don’t follow him religiously, and I’ve even roasted him once, just like I do with pretty much every politician.

That said, context matters. This particular version of the clip sheds a lot more light on what he was actually trying to say, and it changes the way you interpret his point. Without it, the meaning can be easily misunderstood... as it has been.

 

[neverbored]

If you Read the whole sentence written by Eager Beaver it was worded as a potential explanation or an educated guess, not as a statement of fact. Not sure why you used only a portion of his text.

I don't know why you could't understand the reason I didn't need his whole post. Only the part I was curious about...

just seemes like "it seems possible" or even an "educated guess" pretty random statement to make without anything to support it don't you think? hence my question for clarification.

 

[EastWind]

LOL. Erika the wife comes out swinging. She says “They.” There is no “They.” There is ONE dude who did this. Okay from her speech she is out to seek vengeance. Vengeance from what? She has an enemy where there is no foe. What she needs to do is to protect her kids and keep them from harm. The killing of her husband in cold blood may cause her to be an open target as well.

 

[Valentina Amante]

Something about it seems completely fake and staged - like crisis actor vibes. There’s no way a grieving widow could be that composed just TWO DAYS after such a horrifying event. You’d expect her to be sobbing uncontrollably, with snot running down her face, barely able to speak - not standing there delivering a clear and composed speech.

She also just posted a video of her kneeling at his casket and the camera panning up and down his open casket corpse……... Now why the fuck would anyone post such a personal video like that on social media for everyone to see. I feel like it’s made to garner manufactured sympathy.

Also.
My tinfoil hat is buzzing!!!!!

The “first shooter” / old man was identified as George Zinn. Can someone please tell me how he’d be present at the 9/11 attack, the Boston marathon bombing and now CK’s assassination? The odds are like 1 out of 2 billion.

Something realllllllllly doesn’t seem kosher lol.

 

[clemieux6]

Something about it seems completely fake and staged - like crisis actor vibes. There’s no way a grieving widow could be that composed just TWO DAYS after such a horrifying event. You’d expect her to be sobbing uncontrollably, with snot running down her face, barely able to speak - not standing there delivering a clear and composed speech.

She also just posted a video of her kneeling at his casket and the camera panning up and down his open casket corpse……... Now why the fuck would anyone post such a personal video like that on social media for everyone to see. I feel like it’s made to garner manufactured sympathy.

Also.
My tinfoil hat is buzzing!!!!!

The “first shooter” / old man was identified as George Zinn. Can someone please tell me how he’d be present at the 9/11 attack, the Boston marathon bombing and now CK’s assassination? The odds are like 1 out of 2 billion.

Something realllllllllly doesn’t seem kosher lol.

lol as much as we disagree

Something doesn’t feel right

 

[Flabert]

Something about it seems completely fake and staged - like crisis actor vibes. There’s no way a grieving widow could be that composed just TWO DAYS after such a horrifying event. You’d expect her to be sobbing uncontrollably, with snot running down her face, barely able to speak - not standing there delivering a clear and composed speech.

She also just posted a video of her kneeling at his casket and the camera panning up and down his open casket corpse……... Now why the fuck would anyone post such a personal video like that on social media for everyone to see. I feel like it’s made to garner manufactured sympathy.

Also.
My tinfoil hat is buzzing!!!!!

The “first shooter” / old man was identified as George Zinn. Can someone please tell me how he’d be present at the 9/11 attack, the Boston marathon bombing and now CK’s assassination? The odds are like 1 out of 2 billion.

Something realllllllllly doesn’t seem kosher lol.

Am writing this with love as I truly enjoy your posts…

When is your tinfoil hat NOT buzzing?

 

[Salbandini]

Something about it seems completely fake and staged - like crisis actor vibes. There’s no way a grieving widow could be that composed just TWO DAYS after such a horrifying event. You’d expect her to be sobbing uncontrollably, with snot running down her face, barely able to speak - not standing there delivering a clear and composed speech.

She also just posted a video of her kneeling at his casket and the camera panning up and down his open casket corpse……... Now why the fuck would anyone post such a personal video like that on social media for everyone to see. I feel like it’s made to garner manufactured sympathy.

Also.
My tinfoil hat is buzzing!!!!!

The “first shooter” / old man was identified as George Zinn. Can someone please tell me how he’d be present at the 9/11 attack, the Boston marathon bombing and now CK’s assassination? The odds are like 1 out of 2 billion.

Something realllllllllly doesn’t seem kosher lol.

Did you purposely use the word kosher lol.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Something doesn’t feel right

What doesn't feel right is that the shooter and his background doesn't jibe with the narrative anyone had in mind: posters in this thread, the media, the MAGA Trump supporters, the grieving widow. Instead, he is more like the anti-social, incel, Elliott Roger type, except he has a family background that is spawn of the conservative, right wing Mormon militia culture. So nobody knows what to make of it. This kid (Tyler Robinson), his life is a video game. And shooting Charlie Kirk was like playing one of his video games, like Carneval. Maybe it was for attention, maybe it was because Kirk was perceived as a Carneval monster because he was a "hate monger." Either way it doesn't fit your narratives. And when it doesn't fit the narrative, of course, something conspiratorial must be the actual reason, because reality is too boring.

 

[Valentina Amante]

Did you purposely use the word kosher lol.

Absofreakinglutely HAHAHA

 

[Valentina Amante]

lol as much as we disagree

Something doesn’t feel right

This is why the conspiratorial side of me questions everything and I always get hated for it hahahaha.
The more things unfold, the more it feels like another psyop or ritual (lol). But the tinfoil hat or questioning things isn’t for everybody.

Whether this event was staged or not lol (not gonna go down this one), I strongly believe no one should be silenced for expressing their opinions, whether you agree with them or not. I experience this all the time because of my views, so in a way, I really relate to being silenced like Charlie has been and have been publicly persecuted online from mean women in the industry that don’t agree with me. It’s been years I’ve been labelled all the “-ist”s and “-phobe”s in the book without people calmly having convos about anything - just blindly resorting to labelling me as a far-right nazi -ist -ist -phobe. The list is long lmao. So excuse me for labelling leftists for who they are but I’ve grown extremely intolerant since this is their playbook almost every time. They cannot have convos without demeaning someone who opposes their views.

 

[clemieux6]

This is why the conspiratorial side of me questions everything and I always get hated for it hahahaha.
The more things unfold, the more it feels like another psyop or ritual (lol). But the tinfoil hat or questioning things isn’t for everybody.

Whether this event was staged or not lol (not gonna go down this one) I still, I strongly believe no one should be silenced for expressing their opinions, whether you agree with them or not. I experience this all the time because of my views, so in a way, I really relate to being silenced like Charlie has been and have been publicly persecuted online from mean women in the industry that don’t agree with me. It’s been years I’ve been labelled all the “-ist”s and “-phobe”s in the book without people calmly having convos about anything - just blindly resorting to labelling me as a far-right nazi -ist -ist -phobe. The list is long lmao.

For me its "WHY THE F" is George Zin at the center of all this over and over.

 

[Valentina Amante]

For me it’s "WHY THE F" is George Zin at the center of all this over and over.

This is why I’m loyal to the foil

But like many of these weird occurrences - it gets swept under the rug and POOF. People forget easily until something else happens.

 

[Valentina Amante]

Charlie was so racist he reached out to this black man & helped him financially to be a part of an event.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966655592296063478

 

[Valentina Amante]

One thing I really appreciate about my best friend (who also happens to be black) is that she never plays the victim or race card narrative that some people try to use to gain sympathy and privilege.

This woman in the video below does a great job breaking down the misconceptions around Charlie. A lot of people are sharing 10-20 second clips that take his words out of context, which makes him look like a villain. But if you actually watch the full debates, you’ll see a very different picture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966627103904002537

 

[EastWind]

As the days go more is revealed.

This looks more like people of Nick Fuentes vs. the people of Charlie Kirk. Both are MAGA supporting. Don't know what is more dangerous. The civil war among the Blundercrats (Democrats) from the top or the civil war that is taking place and brewing in the low rungs of the Right.

The shooter is a Nick Fuentes supporter and from finding out things further there is some sort of beef between Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk.

Before all of this I can tell you I do not know anything about these two people and now still don't.

I guess this is what happens when a country/government forgot about the policies and actions to benefit the people instead of enriching the very few at the expense of the people and sacrificing the long term for the short. Society is going to end up in the mess that it is now. This goes for both sides.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Matthew Dowd fired for comments on Kirk; blames "right wing media Mob":

Matthew Dowd Speaks Out After MSNBC Fired Him for Charlie Kirk Comments: Network ‘Reacted’ to the ‘Right Wing Media Mob’

Political analyst Matthew Dowd has spoken out after he was fired from MSNBC due to his on-air comments relating to Charlie Kirk. In a Substack post, Dowd wrote that his words were “misconstrued” and that the news network “reacted” to “the Right Wing media mob.” Dowd was on-air immediately...

www.yahoo.com

I think his comments went too far, and were distasteful. Whether he should have been fired depends on his work record. I don't know enough about it.