Out of curiosity how far is he willing to go to "protect" his staff. In some part of the world Pimps would kick the shit out of the customer if he did something to the girl.he didn't pay for or was not agreed by the pimp. If he has no muscle he can't do much. You might want to write little posts all you want but in the end if you can't make sure that there are real consequences this will become something you'll have to deal regularly.
Asking girls for BBFS
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The consequences are that the person will be banned from Euphoria and possibly other agencies as well if he decides to share that person's info with those agencies. I for one am glad he's taking a proactive role in trying to put a stop to this.
The other day a TER escort outed two hobbyists for some unspecified violation. She released their contact info complete with pictures. She was a 1400$/hour fetish escort. She was banned from TER for outing her clients. 1400$ is about half my annual budget for girls.
In the case of James, I think a ban and a blacklisting are in order for this type of behavior. We have got to be smarter.
"Some Hobbyists"? There should never be any question BBFS is being banned from any side of the hobby. If there is a banned list it should include anyone involved.
I support the idea of outing the clients asking and the sp's offering the service.
A solid stance from any agency, regarding these safety practices, is a much more attractive agency in my opinion.
I really respect the fact that you are publicly announcing your standards on this service and the consequences!
A solid stance from any agency, regarding these safety practices, is a much more attractive agency in my opinion.
I really respect the fact that you are publicly announcing your standards on this service and the consequences!
I saw Shelly and Stella last night. They both confirm what James mentioned. Worse is that they are asked or guy try to bbfs every week on them!!!!
Fuck that makes me mad. I swear to god if I could just confront 1 time a fucking dude doing that on them.. just once... I am not tall or heavy but I would find the stamina to remove the fucking dude out of all his teeth!
Cheers,
Fuck that makes me mad. I swear to god if I could just confront 1 time a fucking dude doing that on them.. just once... I am not tall or heavy but I would find the stamina to remove the fucking dude out of all his teeth!
Cheers,
That's exactly the kind of behaviour that would discourage guys from trying BBFS or asking for it.
Getting Banned from an agency or two agencies? That's not enough, they'll just try a third one. The agency having such drastic policy will simply never hear such stories again, from their girls anyways.
Aside from that there is not much you can do, instruct the staff on the internal policies and ban clients.
Getting Banned from an agency or two agencies? That's not enough, they'll just try a third one. The agency having such drastic policy will simply never hear such stories again, from their girls anyways.
Aside from that there is not much you can do, instruct the staff on the internal policies and ban clients.
What you are banning is a telephone number a email a address ,a civic address but not the guy himself .There's no way a newbie girl can recognize a client that was banned 2 months ago .
The other problem when it's not the same booker on the lines ,he can't recognize the voice calling from a different number .
Cheers
Booker
However there's nothing recent about it
Its actually easier to catch the ladies offering it
Cheers
Booker
It's up to the agency to educate the girls on what to do when guys ask for bbfs especially the debutantes.
If it is universally known that bbfs is not accepted then the guys will not ask.
If the guys are asking it's because they've gotten it before.
If it is universally known that bbfs is not accepted then the guys will not ask.
If the guys are asking it's because they've gotten it before.
What you are basically saying is "Don't Feed The Bears." However such advice is not needed when the Bear population is controlled through hunting. It's when you expose populated areas to too many bears that they get fed, eat garbage and then launch attacks on pets, property and people. So keep the Bears away from your agency and no advice is needed.
I've got it! Why not show the girls and all the hobbyists those anti-VD propaganda films that they show to us during basic training in the military. The instructor would say "Now here's a picture of my girl" and then he would show some black hole that used to be a vagina in the last stage of syphilis or something. You will be putting two condoms on before you see any of these girls.
But seriously...something has changed in Montreal or is Montreal going through a phase? Like Jelimon, I too am surprised that Johns are asking for this. I have been seeing girls since 2001 really but 2007 on a regular basis in Montreal. I have never thought to ask for BBFS and no one has thought to offer. 4 or 5 months ago, a friend of mine asked if escort (XYZ) asked me if I wanted BBFS. That was a puzzling question I thought. I said "No." My friend said that escort XYZ has been offering this option. Before this, I remember reading Doc's old post about BBFS being offered if you really knew the girl. I hadn't done a girl more than 3 times and I hardly see a girl twice - I like to explore - so maybe this is why poor old Hungry was never offered this.
My point is the following: This is a two way street. Could it be that some girls at the agency or at a agency were offering this service? Could it be that some hobbyists started to consider this the norm and asked for it during subsequent meetings with different girls? Just a question.
We ought to be a little smarter than girls as young as 18 and there is no rationale for guys pulling off condoms while doing doggie. That is a dastardly act.
Full disclosure - I was once offered BBFS in Brazil from a girl that I met at the Terma Monte Carlo. She met me after the Termas closed. She would have been the first escort I ever fell in lust..er...love with and I popped twice at the termas and we went out to eat and she wanted to fuck all night. I couldn't cum again. She made a motion to me (my porto was awful at the time) to ask if I use intervenes drugs and I said no. Then she offered me BBFS. I refused. I tried to explain that it was no good for her and no good for me. She absolutely wanted a relationship and wanted a white knight to change her life...it wouldn't be me.
I have also had three condoms break in side a girl. The last time it was while having sex with a Brazil who just had twins 2 years prior and she is really a Montreal spinner. She was so upset. I said "Nao se preocupe amor. Estou fixo" Don't worry I'm fixed. I would hate this girl to run off and say this gringo tried to have BBFS with me when the damn condom turned into a cock ring.
But seriously...something has changed in Montreal or is Montreal going through a phase? Like Jelimon, I too am surprised that Johns are asking for this. I have been seeing girls since 2001 really but 2007 on a regular basis in Montreal. I have never thought to ask for BBFS and no one has thought to offer. 4 or 5 months ago, a friend of mine asked if escort (XYZ) asked me if I wanted BBFS. That was a puzzling question I thought. I said "No." My friend said that escort XYZ has been offering this option. Before this, I remember reading Doc's old post about BBFS being offered if you really knew the girl. I hadn't done a girl more than 3 times and I hardly see a girl twice - I like to explore - so maybe this is why poor old Hungry was never offered this.
My point is the following: This is a two way street. Could it be that some girls at the agency or at a agency were offering this service? Could it be that some hobbyists started to consider this the norm and asked for it during subsequent meetings with different girls? Just a question.
We ought to be a little smarter than girls as young as 18 and there is no rationale for guys pulling off condoms while doing doggie. That is a dastardly act.
Full disclosure - I was once offered BBFS in Brazil from a girl that I met at the Terma Monte Carlo. She met me after the Termas closed. She would have been the first escort I ever fell in lust..er...love with and I popped twice at the termas and we went out to eat and she wanted to fuck all night. I couldn't cum again. She made a motion to me (my porto was awful at the time) to ask if I use intervenes drugs and I said no. Then she offered me BBFS. I refused. I tried to explain that it was no good for her and no good for me. She absolutely wanted a relationship and wanted a white knight to change her life...it wouldn't be me.
I have also had three condoms break in side a girl. The last time it was while having sex with a Brazil who just had twins 2 years prior and she is really a Montreal spinner. She was so upset. I said "Nao se preocupe amor. Estou fixo" Don't worry I'm fixed. I would hate this girl to run off and say this gringo tried to have BBFS with me when the damn condom turned into a cock ring.
Thankfully I have never been offered either, but there are only 2 in Montreal I repeated with (and still see) on a regular basis. You can never know for sure, but none of the people I have seen were revealed to me having ever offered anyone bbfs. Of course I saw several Eleganza women back in the day so the revelations in this thread are a bit unsettling. I heard a lot of rumors about the operator but never believed he was sleeping with the women he represented, and bbfs no less!
Exactly Hungry ,2 way street ,Some clients will ask ,some will trick the girl in to it ,Some girl will offer it and some will trick the client .
The worst case scenario consenting client and consenting SP ,they will not talk about it .
Another worst case scenario The SP bareback in her private life with cheating boyfriend
The competition for clients is intense between girls of all agencies and even of the same agency .
It becomes difficult to completely eradicate the phenomenon
Anyhow they are other risk for the ladies then the traditional STD's or HIV it's cervical cancer
There is risk Factors involve in escorting ,however responsible people keep it to a minimum
I got out of a relationship with a young woman who briefly worked as an SP. She comes from a very prominent and well educated family. She revealed to me that she briefly worked as a stripper and an SP. She saw a total of 4 clients as an SP. She has a very high sex drive and was basically getting paid to have fun.
I was shocked to hear that condoms were not used during any of those 4 encounters. I asked her why she would take such a risk. She replied that each client was an established professional (doctor, lawyer, etc) and that she felt comfortable with the inherent risks. She perceived them to be safe and STD free. The guys did not force her or trick her into this.
Her opinion was naive and lacked proper judgement. I totally discourage this behaviour. Instead of debating whether the culprits of BBFS are agressive and manipulative Johns, or careless, naive, profit seeking SP's, perhaps we should focus on solutions for all parties:
1) agencies should educate their girls.
2) clients should never ask for BBFS
3) SP's should not offer it.
At the end of the day, i think this behaviour will persist. Some things are beyond our control, but we can control the level of risk we expose ourselves to. There is a lot of unprotected sex going on between people who do not know the full sexual histories of their partners. Consenting adults can engage in the activities they choose. But we should never pressure or trick someone into taking such a risk.
I was shocked to hear that condoms were not used during any of those 4 encounters. I asked her why she would take such a risk. She replied that each client was an established professional (doctor, lawyer, etc) and that she felt comfortable with the inherent risks. She perceived them to be safe and STD free. The guys did not force her or trick her into this.
Her opinion was naive and lacked proper judgement. I totally discourage this behaviour. Instead of debating whether the culprits of BBFS are agressive and manipulative Johns, or careless, naive, profit seeking SP's, perhaps we should focus on solutions for all parties:
1) agencies should educate their girls.
2) clients should never ask for BBFS
3) SP's should not offer it.
At the end of the day, i think this behaviour will persist. Some things are beyond our control, but we can control the level of risk we expose ourselves to. There is a lot of unprotected sex going on between people who do not know the full sexual histories of their partners. Consenting adults can engage in the activities they choose. But we should never pressure or trick someone into taking such a risk.
Back when I was seeing this indy girl she told me about some clients who would often ask or try to do that, and she would blacklist them on her phone, but they would get a new phone number months later and try to book her again. They try THAT hard.
I offered to round up a few of my friends and give the guy a "friendly" lesson, but she didn't take up the offer
I've heard the same story from a couple of the Euphoria girls too, including clients who got banned and then booked again with a new number. One girl had to cancel the rest of her calls because she was in such a bad mood after an incident, so one person ruined it for everyone else that day. Don't be an idiot, respect boundaries.
I offered to round up a few of my friends and give the guy a "friendly" lesson, but she didn't take up the offer
I've heard the same story from a couple of the Euphoria girls too, including clients who got banned and then booked again with a new number. One girl had to cancel the rest of her calls because she was in such a bad mood after an incident, so one person ruined it for everyone else that day. Don't be an idiot, respect boundaries.
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