Are the new indy agencies really independent?

[naughtylady]

Ronnie,
If that revenue was really ONLY based on representation--i.e. advertising your name through her agency name on websites you wouldn't have the time (nor desire) to advertise yourself on-- you'd be charged strickly on that basis. The owner would not make more revenue the more clients you saw.

t76

She does not make more based on the number of clients. She just does not expect us to pay the monthly fees in one shot AND does not expect any money if she sends no business our way.

To use the FKS example: So much per month is due at the beginning of each month, regardless of whether any business comes your way from this association.

With PP, so much per month is due, payable from your first couple of dates in the month. After the monthly ammount is collected nothing else is due. After the basic is covered 100% goes to the SP, AND if you do not get enough dates from PP to cover that monthly fee, so be it, you paid less that month since the fee is not due all at once but over the first couple of dates.

Nothing is due to PP for dates made directly with the provider, only for the ones made through PP.

Like I said before a very busy girl does not pay more than a less busy girl, assuming that both have seen more than enough clients to cover the monthly fee.

Hypothetical situation:
Girl one sees 5 clients from PP.
Girl two sees 10 from PP
Girl three sees 20
and girl four sees only 1.

Girls one, two and three all ended up paying the same ammount, while girl four paid less.

Does this make sense now?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[naughtylady]

Ronnie,

Ok. I must have misunderstood the concept

Don't worry, I won't explain it here since I did say I wouldn't take it out of pm, as much as it irks me to read this.

Maybe you could reciprocate that gesture by not taking me for an idiot when it comes to defining (or redefining) your concept in public.

But, from what you've posted:



So after 5 clients the 'fee' is paid
If this is true, seems to me it's in PP's interest to make sure to send you more than 1. But that is quite different from taking a commission.

t76

I never said after how many clients the fee is paid. The above was an example.

The reason I did not want to go into details here is that with more girls the fee is less.

Though with new sites to pay for ads on the fee needs to be adjusted again.

PP is still very new (two months?)

Of course it is in PP's interest to send us to more than 1 client because we are all working together. It is in every SPs interest to see more than 1 client per month. (How else can we earn a living?) If none of us go out on calls then it is a lot of advertising invested for nothing. Remember Cassey, (the mother of PP) is an escort like the rest of us, pays her share of the advertising, and makes her living seeing clients just like the rest of us.

Nobody works FOR PP, we advertise through PP to gain visibility to gents who only look at agencies.

Why is it so hard to accept that Cassey is not making money off our backs but came up with an idea to have our advertising reach a wider audience.

Would it be better if she asked each of us for our share of the ad costs in full in one shot whether PP brings us new business or not; instead of allowing us to pay it in bits with the first few clients?

Why does this seem to bother you so? Why do so many of you seem determined to make PP look like "just another agency" where the owner sits back and get rich off of sending girls out on dates? Why is it so hard to accept that Cassey came up with a way that is beneficial for all with taking advantage of no one?

Why is it better to pay monthly ad costs in one lump sum?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[Just-ass-weet]

Would it be better if she asked each of us for our share of the ad costs in full in one shot whether PP brings us new business or not; instead of allowing us to pay it in bits with the first few clients?

Yes, it would be better, because that is what you are saying PP is - a place where indies come together to share the cost of advertising. If that is the purpose, whether the indy gets clients or not, she is still paying less in advertising fees than if she had paid for ads on her own.

Why does this seem to bother you so? Why do so many of you seem determined to make PP look like "just another agency" where the owner sits back and get rich off of sending girls out on dates? Why is it so hard to accept that Cassey came up with a way that is beneficial for all with taking advantage of no one?

Let's ask you a question then... do you think that Kiki is running a business that should be called Indy? How about Judys Secret? Or how about FKS? In our conversation the other night, you seemed determined to clarify that PP was different, and "really" Indy, not like the other agencies that claim to be Indy. Why did you make that distinction?

It bothers me because I don't believe that that is the reality of what PP is. Yes, I do believe that PP is making a profit, because I asked you about transparency of advertising costs and "website management" (yes, I know about the other free websites PP uses as well) and you never answered the questions. Do I think PP is getting rich of it, no, I doubt it. Do I think that PP is not getting anything out of it over and above advertising costs - absolutely.

A few thoughts came to mind as I am overtired and how about answering this... if you are still Indy and part of being indy is maintaining your own separate website... what is Casseys separate website address? If part of it is also having your own separate phone line - does Cassey use a separate line for herself or is the "agency" line also her indy line?

Just saying, there are few people I would trust not to try to make a buck off my back.

xoxox
Anik

 

[hotbabe]

Hello Ladies And Gents !

I ve been watching this on and off for a while now , I can understand your dismay and wil post one comment and one comment only and you may run in any direction you like with it !

so here goes nothing! when i first started 7 months ago. I worked with maids to order , at 140 a call working my way up tp 180,

at 140 a call leaving me with 80 $ was difficult seeing several people per day .
and at 180 still only makind 100 a day , was exhausting , and this was driving myself to make the extra 20 $ ,
for the agency went up in rate , my take home was still the same except for the 20$ extra for using my car and driving myself around in snowstorms at all hours of the eve , after 18 days straight and 5- 11 calls per day , i was what they call burnt out , exhausted .
so
I decided to go Indy . and up my rates , as I so felt I had deserved based on my reviews .
THIS WAS ALL GOOD, too good in fact , I had gents calling for dous and bachelor parties .....only one problem ! there was only one cassey. there was only one thing to do I thought. find more girls , .
I wondered if any other girls had the same problem , so I began my quest for answers .
now because I had been exposed to the burn out situations that can arise by working for an agency ,I decided that any and all girls who wanted to join me would not be exibitioned at market value and that their money would remain theirs .
so I calculated what it would cost per month to advertise in the agency sections of the 22 sites I m on and devised a fair way to pay for this all,

now I m going to come clean on this ,and think what you may, but in my mind as well as MANY clients who have sent me e mails thanking me for said great service , they dont seem to mind .
It saves them time on their search and more time to enjoy their stay. in the end everyone is happy .
and no one is forced to do anything they dont want. yes grant it . the girls are more pricey , and they should be . they are true independants who have their own independant sites independant # s , rates , scedules , take their own calls and make their own decisions who when and where and if . the only reason we are advertised in the agency section is because there is no co op , friends , associates or whatever banner there is only 2 choices , I ndy or agency, if there was other banner options , i wouldnt be known as an agency because of all the stereotype that goes with it . through my stats I DISCOVERED 50 PERCENT of the calls came on an agency basis. this being said that is where half of the exposure was , men who mever looked at indyS called agencies , because they had a group of girls to choose from and being that we were now a group, it was fitting . we are Indys , that are also part of a secondary income which forms a group, this basically just bring more exposure in area where some would not look .

we all advertise seperately have our own web sites ,# s rates and all is the same as before we merged , we maintain our Independance , AND TAKE OUR CALLS FIRST BEFORE THE AGENCY CALLS.
yet we have a, supplimentery income of calls that come as being a group advertising as such.
unfortunately its as an agency , that we must categorize this secondary income , as a back up if you want to call it that for when the indy calls dont fill our scedules . if someone invents an sp friends group...... I m there in a flash dont you worry , but until then I guess I ll take the heat . but the girls rate stays the same and the fee is incorperated in the call which means .... yes the men pay for the agency rate . as if any other agency dont do that already , only difference is the girl who works for an agency does not have the choice of what she makes. the agency decides what she is worth, the ladies on playmates decide their rate and all the details, nor do i ant them to give up their site or their indy status . my goal was to attain exposure in areas from which we were lacking you cant advertise as an agency when you are alone, when you are a group you can , and men have more choice of ladies when they click on my site . hence we get calls you reguler indy s dont thats all .

if you think my site is ugly ...... well opinions are like rear ends .... everbody got one and so far no one has made that comment except the few in here . my goal is to keep cost down and allow the girls advertising, which in reality cost them not 1 penny . whether they get 2 calls or 10 . the client pays a small fee tacked on to the girls rate . same ad the agencys, except the girl keeps her full rate.; ex, ronnie wants 200 $ per hr . agency rate is 225- ronnie gets her 200 and the 25 $ goes to the advertising , this is done for the first 2 hours only , now if she does more hours and more calls , that is exta in her pocket , not mine, .
if the girl hypathetically never goes out , she pays nothing , so its a win win , for the girls. and it costs me total $ 500 now in costs for ads and banneres and domain names , etc.
and yes i do have seperate line for me and for playmates . I look
like a loony, WITH 2 PNONES and i put the girls on my site , sO if any one in no longer really indy ,, oh my god .... its me ok , AND FYI ,I CREATED EVERY INCH OF PLAYMATES FROM THE NAME ,TO THE SITE ,TO ADS ,AND PHOTES, HOW MANY OF YOU DID YOURS ? IF YOU HAD HELP . YOUR NOT TOTALLY INDY EITHER ! happy now. im not on anyones site but my own , which I share with the girls for their extra exposure , (because I M SUCH A MISER AND ATTENTION FREAK, ) DONT YOU KNOW ? (I fugured Id take all the focus off me and throw in some competition , ) ( duh . c, mon , get real) THIS WAS FOR THE GIRLS! AS IM NOT GOING TO DO THIS VERY LONG NOT IF I CAN HELP IT . I HAVE OTHER PLANS FOR MY LIFE.

Sorry if Im bent out of shape over this but . your not sitting in my hot seat now , are you. I M JUST REALLY TIRED OF WORKING night and day ,on the site , driving girls around , answering calls at 4 30 am am and 7 am no sleep and then having to go out on my own calls in between, not making money with this and dealing with crap about it . so please forgive my annoyed ,exhausted attitude .

OBVIOUSLY ,when certain girls dont go out . it costs me ! . I STILL must work to live and keep this going . thats my commitment .
so you say , no , one will do this for free or for the greater good or the goodness of ones heart to help out a fellow sp and friend. well i guess you now know the story behind purrfect playmates. your very wrong ,and this is why im exhausted and burnt out again , many who saw me at the gt can attest to this .

I tried to do something good and its all blown out of proportion , because certain agencies are there to make money and a scam !.

im not mentioning names but i was a victim of said scam and would not do that to anyone else , least of all someone I considered a friend .
so think what you will . but it doesnt really matter to me anymore anyways , because I m so damn tired and im going to retire soon anyways maybe I ll continie to see my clients only . go back to my day carreer and dancing on weekends. since I got a few calls asking me to come back and quite frankly I DO MISS ENTERTAINING AND TOURING ,

. you see im not an sp at heart , im much too sensitive for all this catty backstabbing thats going on I SAY THIS ( weeping ) from exhaustion ,
ANIMALS ARE MORE CIVILIZED ,

and I was not so ashamed of being an sp,
but rather the classless levels to which I have had to lower myself in my defence, is nausiating and makes me sick to my stomache ,
to see human beings behave in such a shameful manner , myself include . i am truly ashamed it has come to this
so there you finally have you answers , are you happy now , is it enough for you ? did you tear it to shreads enough ! the big scam , or prostitution ring . the awful pimpette behind it is down on the ground now , exhausted and burnt out . so you can all have a good laugh on my expense .are you still so savage to kick someone when ther down and exhausted , we'll see wont we.
just how low will you stoop . i m not so sure i want to find out anymore .
I m done .
purrfect playmate will remain for ronnie if she wants it ..... but im done .
I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO ACCOMADATE ALL OF YOU AND NOW . im going elsewhere to do what makes me happy .playmates is and will remain in existance whether you like it or not. its not going to die , not if i have any say in it . this as my project and I WILL see it to its sucess ....... one way or the other . even if at a distance . but I WONT WASTE USELESS ENRGY ON STUPIDITY ANY MORE . you have the full story now on playmate so Im sure theres other fresh meat out there ,for you SAVAGES to attack.
the end ... YES ...... MISS CASSEY ..... OWNER OF PURRFECTPLAYMATE S AND NOT ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT!
I thought of way for girls to make thier own money without being taken advantage of. .so theres your story think what you want ! good day to all . even if some of you , dont deserve it!

 

[naughtylady]

Yes, it would be better, because that is what you are saying PP is - a place where indies come together to share the cost of advertising. If that is the purpose, whether the indy gets clients or not, she is still paying less in advertising fees than if she had paid for ads on her own.

Let's ask you a question then... do you think that Kiki is running a business that should be called Indy? How about Judys Secret? Or how about FKS? In our conversation the other night, you seemed determined to clarify that PP was different, and "really" Indy, not like the other agencies that claim to be Indy. Why did you make that distinction?

It bothers me because I don't believe that that is the reality of what PP is. Yes, I do believe that PP is making a profit, because I asked you about transparency of advertising costs and "website management" (yes, I know about the other free websites PP uses as well) and you never answered the questions. Do I think PP is getting rich of it, no, I doubt it. Do I think that PP is not getting anything out of it over and above advertising costs - absolutely.

A few thoughts came to mind as I am overtired and how about answering this... if you are still Indy and part of being indy is maintaining your own separate website... what is Casseys separate website address? If part of it is also having your own separate phone line - does Cassey use a separate line for herself or is the "agency" line also her indy line?

Just saying, there are few people I would trust not to try to make a buck off my back.

xoxox
Anik

Well when we were first talking about PP before Cassey started it, She felt it would be unfair to take money from an SP when she is getting nothing in return; thus we each pay our part only after we have had clients from PP. Happily, all of us have gotten extra business from PP.


I did not say like other agencies that claim to be indy because I do not know first hand how the operate, I am not qualified to compare. Other than to comment on Indy's secrets since they explained how they work here; PP is nothing like them, since if an SP is getting nothing she owes nothing; also $400 a month is a crazy high ammount IMHO.

Moreover, I did saywas not like other agencies (rather than indy agencies): every agency I ever worked for took anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of the hourly rate for each and every hour on each and every call; I never spoke to the client before showing up at the door; and for many other reasons I decide I could do a better job myself.

If you don't believe it then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.

Cassey does have 2 phone lines, one for herseld and one for PP...

Why am I trying to explain things to you? You already decided that you do not believe what I am trying to explain and you keep trying to make things more complicated than they are.

I will repeat what I said Before: We are a group of friends who decided to try to reach a larger potential client base by banding together to place ads in the agency section of ad sites.

Now since you have admitted that you do not want to believe what I have been trying to explain to you all along why not just let it drop.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[hotbabe]

ronnie the stats speak for themselves .

ive posted the full story from beginning to end , if they dont want to believe it thats their choice and not our loss sweetie , remember where our 95 percent comes from , we dont have a banner on merb and theres a good reason for that so babe ... drop it . its really not worth the greif especially for these members . you know im right . you ve seen the facts and we are busy . more so than before , so this is a waste of time . let them figure it out for themselves ,..... and by the way . playmates is full we are no longer hiring at the present time and when we are . we wont let you know. you had you chances you know who you are and as i said before ........ im done ! to all a good day . i have no more time to waste on such nonsense . as if being an sp was a status symbol, for gods sake e re not doctors or lawyers , who do you brag to that your an escort ? i dont ! most of us wish to remain annonymous , so wheres the status again ? . ok now im done ! goodnight all and happy and safe hobbying !

 

[YouVantOption]

Sexist, who me?!?

Why is it that when men argue, people talk about heated exchanges... But where women are concerned, the said people immediately think "catfight".

you obviously know the answer as sad as it is.

 

[naughtylady]

Merci Maylee.

J'ai essayer d'eviter de continuer la discussion (voir poste 58 et 61) mais ils ne voulait pas le laisser tomber mais a la meme fois je ne voulait pas avoir beaucoup de mauvais information et de rumeurs...

J'ai realiser trop tard que peut import ques'que je disais, ils ont deja pris une decision. En retrospect, pour la majorite, le but de leurs questions semble d'etre prouver leurs point-de-vue au lieu de mieux comprendre.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[naughtylady]

Here is, as advertised, Montreal's #1 Independent Escort Directory:
http://www.montrealfemaleescorts.com/

Hmmm

Interesting.... I know for fact that some of those advertised there are agencies in the most traditional sense on the word...

I guess the word independant reall is getting completely diluted...

Ronnie,
Naughtylady