Are the new indy agencies really independent?

[Just-ass-weet]

Okay - not to be insulting here - but

Jessy has a REAL website - not a google page which is FREE

Call me crazy, but to me, any legitimate association of indy girls would pool together resources and pay ads and maintain a decent website (if not a professional one) - the remaining money would then be given back to the ladies - that would at least smell like a real indy group.

xoxox
Anik

like an owner of agency how much you do per call on the head of all lady work for you ?

160$ - 100 to the lady - 20 to driver = 40$ per call

if i am not wrong if you finish to have 9 girls one day in your agency and they make 4 call per day

thats equal : 40$ x 4 call = 160$ per girls profit

and for the final : 160$ x 9 girls = 1440 one day

1440 x 7 day = 10 080

 

[Techman]

GG get's the last laugh

The more I read this thread the only thing I keep thinking of is how GG must be sitting reading how much shit he has stirred up and laughing his head off! Damn...the way things are going the next GT is going to end up more of a gathering of people out for blood instead of out for a good time.

Personally, I don't think that the average hobbyist really gives a damn if a lady is an indy or works for an agency. What he cares about is getting value for the money he is going to spend. If an agency will provide that, or an indy or an 'association of indies' will provide that, well that's all they really want isn't it?

However a lady chooses to work...agency, indy, co-op, as long as it's her choice and she is not being forced into a decision, it's no one else's business.

So before anyone starts making enemies out of friends or aquaintances or possible future employees or clients... Please think of this before you post....

GG...smiling...laughing...not a pretty thought is it?

 

[naughtylady]

I had to raise my rate to 250 an hour, she just raised her rate to 300 because she was getting too busy.

Before PP, I was needing more business, I was working less that the 10 hours a week that I had grown used to (mostly 2-3 hour dates) so I said yeah! this sounds like a good idea cost me nothing if it doesn't work and I can only benefit. Since doing so I had to up my rate because due to my back injury I cannot work more than 10 hours an week and I was getting too busy!

Cassey is not making money from our working together other than being able to advertise as an agency to reach more potential clients. The more girls who join us, the less we will have to pay in to cover the advertising costs. How does this make her a pimp?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

Agency, co-op, advertising grab or whatever, why is this so upsetting to those who are not invloved in these associations? If it gets the individual SPs more clients and they are happy with the arrangement then what is the problem?

From what I see there are two definitions of indy here:

1) Being in charge of your own show, screening your own potential clients, setting up your own appointments...

2) Not being associated or working with anyone else what so ever. (this includes not working with a friend as an "agency of 2")

Yesterday I felt flustered because my definition is #1 and others see indy as #2 and we were not understanding each other; but in the long run who cares? What is the difference as long as the individual girl is happy?

(FYI most sites that are free for indies to advertise on charge agencies; also most that charge indies one rate charge agencies more.)

Also what is wrong with an indy wanting exposure to gents who do not look at indy sites at all and just go to agency sites?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[naughtylady]

Ronnie, I am guessing that I am one of the "girl with a sharp tongue" that you are talking about...

Sorry if you thought I was too harsh. You are someone that I appreciate and respect and I would never offend you on purpose.

All of this does not change anything for me since I am not even working anymore. I just don't like when people are being shady, doing misrepresentation or trying to abuse the naivete of customers. When you are selling one product, services, or whatever, you do not advertize something else only to get more business. That is not ethical.

If the girls are happy with this sort of arrangement, good for them! But they accept to participate in a scam because pretending to be independent when in fact, you are paying a "pimp" undercover is dishonnest.

Please remember that my comments were about Indy's secrets and written after they told us themselves how their business works. Those comments may or may not apply to your agency, I don't know about that.

Purrfect Playmates works in a completely different way than Indy's Secrets.

FYI it is not my agency, I just work with them.

BTW you are not the only one who had a sharp tongue in this thread...

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[z/m(Ret)]

"chasse aux sorcières"!

" Witch-hunt "

 

[Lion Heart]

If the ladies are happy with their choices and are treated well by the group they belong too, I guess it is the most important thing...

Forgive me for getting in this lady's debate, but from my perspective as a client, I think it's the only thing that should matter. I don't see marketing scam in Indy's Secrets, Purfect Playmates, FKS or any such organizations, just differences in semantic.

When I'm dealing with an agency, a "single" indy SP or any other type of hybrid organizations, what's important is the lady I see, the price I pay and the overall service I get from the booking to the ultimate delivery. Why and how a SP choose to go is their free choice (unless there's some kind of a modern world slavery setup somewhere) and their own business.

I don't deal with some agencies because I don't want to loose my time unsuccessfully trying to see who I want to see and when. When there's too much booking and scheduling problems, I look elsewhere. I don't deal either with some indies because they are too hard to reach, unbookable, unreliable and/or overpriced. In the end, I just don't care about the inner working of any "organization", whether it's a single owner, a true association of a few indies, a coop of indies, any marketing/booking setup or an agency in disguise, as long as it works and I feel it's worthed.

Lion Heart

 

[JUDY'S SECRETS]

i think i going have to ask you to appologize to all the group

Please remember that my comments were about Indy's secrets and written after they told us themselves how their business works. Those comments may or may not apply to your agency, I don't know about that.

here the secretary of Indy's secrets

First scam means false advertisement of a service.
i invite you to make your homework and do some search on the forum go see all the review of each girls wright by custumer have used the service and the girls.
The review dont lies and custumer look for a service they can have with the ladies on indy's secrets.
Most of the girls have work for reputable agency and have the same service they have offert in the past if its not better.....

Sorry for you to be frustrated about whatever you think but we know is a good thing we do and we going to offert the best we can to have the satisfaction of the custumers.

have a good day

 

[JUDY'S SECRETS]

i explain you one thing Elizabeth

when the custumers look to meet a lady in indy's secrets he have a lots of choice in the same place . No need to change website to find a girls to have a dates with.

the girls provide a very good service and the custumer are able to talk directly with her and he finish to find what he wants.

stand where you want in this world that your choice !

Indy's secrets have quality Independante ladies in the website and are very appreciated by all the custumers.

sweet kisses xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[naughtylady]

Naughtylady, I'm a bit surprised by this answer in light of our recent exchanges. If an agency were only living off its representation work it would charge only for that work (as we discussed FKS does by charging a monthly fee for escorts to be represented on their website). That is not the same as taking a cut from the represented escort's earnings. That would indeed fall in the category pimping. I won't say anything more here. PM if you want.

t76

Cassey makes her living on her back like the rest of us. She has to just like the rest of us because that is how we earn a living. We are sharing in advertising expenses. Ads for agencies cost on sites that do not charge indies. Ads on sites that do charge indies, charge more for agencies.

The big difference between FKS and PP is that PP does not charge a monthly fee if the gal is not working. AND the fee is payable over the first couple of dates. So she has a smaller % of that first date of the month going to cover that fee. And if she only has one date in that month from PP for whatever reason so be it. It works out in the long run. PPs existence is to get exposure to potential clients who only look at agency sites and thus would have never known we existed otherwise.

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A BUNCH OF FRIENDS DECIDED TO WORK TOGETHER?

WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[hobby11]

cuz when u have had a pimp

u cannot believe thats possible to go indy ... thats it!

 

[naughtylady]

u cannot believe thats possible to go indy ... thats it!

I have been Indy for a long time.

I worked for many different agencies before deciding that I can do a better job on my own.

Why would anyone believe I would give this up?

Do people really think I am stupid enough to let myself be pimped? I guess that is why I am getting so defensive.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[hobby11]

i was not talking about u ronnie

eom eom eom

 

[Just-ass-weet]

You have called PP an agency a few times already. Why is it so offensive to you that you work with an agency and even though you maintain some independence that you are not "really" independent? I am not sure why you find that insulting! However, again, we already agreed to disagree.

In reference to my quote - so PP breaks down the agencies advertising fees for the girls to see and how much has been taken from each girl is tracked as well? If in fact the indies handle their own calls, how does the agency keep track of what dates go through?

xoxox
Anik

PP does not charge a monthly fee if the gal is not working. AND the fee is payable over the first couple of dates. So she has a smaller % of that first date of the month going to cover that fee

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A BUNCH OF FRIENDS DECIDED TO WORK TOGETHER?

WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[naughtylady]

You have called PP an agency a few times already. Why is it so offensive to you that you work with an agency and even though you maintain some independence that you are not "really" independent? I am not sure why you find that insulting! However, again, we already agreed to disagree.

In reference to my quote - so PP breaks down the agencies advertising fees for the girls to see and how much has been taken from each girl is tracked as well? If in fact the indies handle their own calls, how does the agency keep track of what dates go through?

xoxox
Anik

I guess what insults me is the implication that someone is earning money off of me working on my back.
In every agency I ever worked for they took a cut off of each and every call.

By the way In what way am I not "really" independant? Just because we advertise together? Every indy has to advertise and is dependant on those sites she advertises on.

I do not know what to call PP. A co-op?

How does Cassey know if the date goes through after she gives him my #? We are friends and I tell her. Friends trust each other and are honest with each other. Remember we are working together. I do not work for her. I will not work for anybody as an escort.

Again I ask the question, why is it such a strech to imagine a bunch of friends working together, supporting each other morally, without anyone getting rich off of the others escorting... Yeah I think co-op is the best term now that I think about it...

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[CoolAmadeus]

If there was a flat fee to pay we'd have less of a debate. It would be more like paying for standard web-hosting, or whatever service an independent requires to be a functional independent.

May I jump in again?

From what Ronnie is explaining, it looks like her fees are not necessarily based on her bookings, but more of a flat fee, and they have some kind of agreement that PP gives her "indies" a break if they have less bookings. Does it sound better this way?

An associate independent, as someone else (maybe you, I can't recall now) said would maybe be the better word.

FKS indeed call some of their team members "Associates".

CA

 

[Just-ass-weet]

Hey look, in the end, we are woman trying to make a buck - whether you package it as an Indy, an agency girl or an associate - it irrelevant in the end. As women, we need to stick together and support each other, period. If this thread felt like it was an attack on anyone it certainly wasn't, though it may have gotten a bit emotional. I think using the word "pimp" was not very nice, and I myself, would not have used that word, as to me, it has emotional manipulation tagged to it. I wanted to say that first and foremost - because it IS the most important factor here.

I am not going to debate this anymore - I agree to disagree. Peace

xoxox
Anik

 

[Just-ass-weet]

Certainly, there comes a problem with anything like this, the opportunity to abuse a term is there, and even Ronnie when speaking to me the other night, said that PP is not like other agencies - thereby implying that the other "indy" agencies are not really indy agencies. Indy is a term used much like the term GFE. It is is loosely defined, and remains difficult to narrow down to an exact definition, because of this, it is often overused, or used for marketing without genuinely reflecting the situation.

I'm sitting here, trying to figure out why the Indy agency ideas bug me so much... why? Most of it has to do with an emotional knee-jerk, that says, I worked hard to earn my reputation, and part of my pride in this has to do with the fact that I did it entirely on my own. I am proud of that, very proud. So a group of Indy - takes away what being an indy to me means.

That doesn't mean that I don't think we should support each other, or help each other out, so please don't take it that way... as I said, the reaction, when I dig into it, has "feelings" and so, it not necessarily based in reason. However, I am pretty good at sensing when something is wrong, and though I have yet to delve into the logical reasons, using the term INDY for an agency, is wrong - I can first conclude that it is at very least an oxymoron.

xoxox
Anik

 

[hobby11]

my final comment

if you have your own website ( so you dont pay monthly or per call fee to anyone)

and you manage all your emails and calls yourself...

and you go to your calls by yourself...


but you have a pimp then you re not an indy...

u knoe what i mean?
I know more than one hdh indies who are in this situation in Montreal
you vant names???

 

[Special K]

The question is , will there be clients to support and accept an indie agency with a pricepoint of $200 an hour when there are ample choices at $160-$180 an hour at traditional agencies??

As long as Mercedez and Judy stay here I will continue to support this indy agency

SK

 

[naughtylady]

May I jump in again?

From what Ronnie is explaining, it looks like her fees are not necessarily based on her bookings, but more of a flat fee, and they have some kind of agreement that PP gives her "indies" a break if they have less bookings. Does it sound better this way?


FKS indeed call some of their team members "Associates".

CA

CA, You seem to have figured out the basics...

Ronnie,
Naughtylady