Are the new indy agencies really independent?
- Thread starter General Gonad
- Start date
difference of definitions
To me independance means that I have 100% controle over who I see and when I work. I screen my own clients and have to answer to nobody.
It seems to me that to t76 and Anik it means not being affiliated with any group.
I spoke to Anik on the phone last night: we agreed to disagree.
Why go into details in a PM? Because some things are better left to be discussed between working girls only and need not be explained to hobbiests (sorry boys).
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
To me independance means that I have 100% controle over who I see and when I work. I screen my own clients and have to answer to nobody.
It seems to me that to t76 and Anik it means not being affiliated with any group.
I spoke to Anik on the phone last night: we agreed to disagree.
Why go into details in a PM? Because some things are better left to be discussed between working girls only and need not be explained to hobbiests (sorry boys).
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Daringly>>> It is a way to pool advertising resources and gain visibility to clientele who never look at indy sites and only look at agency advertising. What is so complicated? FKS has been doing this for years. How it is done with each group may vary, some ways may be better suited to one SP other ways better for another.
Ziggy>>> Other than domain names for their own web sites, do any agencies or indies own all the sites they advertise on?
By the way I just as I do not think it is the clients business how much a gal spends on advertising, I also do not think it is the business of the client of how her associations work. I also do not think it is the responsibility of any agency to disclose how much their SPs earn per client. Some things are just not the clients business IMHO.
One of the many reasons I am not going into the mechanics of how PP works here is that it is not my brainchild.
By the way I have received comments of my associating with someone who has been banned here. Many agency owners, indys and members have been banned here... many when they first joined because they were unaware of the rules. Many of those who have been banned at various times are respected members of the board. Big Deal.
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Ziggy>>> Other than domain names for their own web sites, do any agencies or indies own all the sites they advertise on?
By the way I just as I do not think it is the clients business how much a gal spends on advertising, I also do not think it is the business of the client of how her associations work. I also do not think it is the responsibility of any agency to disclose how much their SPs earn per client. Some things are just not the clients business IMHO.
One of the many reasons I am not going into the mechanics of how PP works here is that it is not my brainchild.
By the way I have received comments of my associating with someone who has been banned here. Many agency owners, indys and members have been banned here... many when they first joined because they were unaware of the rules. Many of those who have been banned at various times are respected members of the board. Big Deal.
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Last edited:
So much ado about nothing. If 4-5-6 people band together to do a little cooperative advertising, how in god's name does this compromise their independence? It's called efficiency, Liz. By divvying up the cost of advertising and hiring a phone assistant, the members of a coop can tend to their own business and operate much less expensively than they can if they had to take these expenses on herself.
I remember quite well when T6 retired her complaining to me that she'd spent a bunch of money for a 2 year contract on her web site and taken out a multi year plan with her cellphone company. How much would she have saved had their been such cooperatives as PP and Judy's Secrets around at that time?
The one member of one of these new coops with whom I've spoken tells me that she pays a small weekly fee to cover the cost of their advertising and to pay the person they've hired to answer the phone. Whether she takes 1 or 15 calls, her coop fee remains the same.
Nobody is skimming off the top. Nobody is telling her what to charge and how much to work.
I remember quite well when T6 retired her complaining to me that she'd spent a bunch of money for a 2 year contract on her web site and taken out a multi year plan with her cellphone company. How much would she have saved had their been such cooperatives as PP and Judy's Secrets around at that time?
The one member of one of these new coops with whom I've spoken tells me that she pays a small weekly fee to cover the cost of their advertising and to pay the person they've hired to answer the phone. Whether she takes 1 or 15 calls, her coop fee remains the same.
Nobody is skimming off the top. Nobody is telling her what to charge and how much to work.
Last edited:
Daringly said:
Don't choke Daringly, all those groups do it for a fee. My understanding is that two fee structures exist:
1) Some groups like FKS use a monthly fee regardless if the ladies are in fact booking calls or not. This allows them to provide a service to the SPs in their group, with the advantage that they are not linked to the bookings so they can't be charged with the "living off the avails of prostitution".
2) Some other groups (Judy's Secrets? EscortMailings.com?) use a per call structure where they charge a small fee per confirmed bookings, regardless of the number of hours (or days
) per call. They are much closer to the notion of "pimps".IMHO SPs part of the first group are still real indies, but not the 2nd group.
CA
CoolAmadeus>>> what about a group that uses a per call structure with a set maximum monthly fee after which nothing is owed, regardless of the number of bookings?
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Like a mix between the structures #1 and #2 I explained above? Sure. Whatever suits you.naughtylady said:
The question is whether or not the "indy" is still an indy. My definition of an indy is someone who works on her own, books her own calls, advertises her own services, and doesn't have to tell anyone how many bookings she had.
Take another example: Web site designs. Is the woman less of an indy because she hires someone to do her web site? Not at all. But again, it's not based on her bookings. Now what if her webmasters is also paid a fixed monthly rate to maintain her schedule or other adjustments on her web site? Same idea, it's still not based on her bookings.
Now if she has to report to someone, or a booking/advertising group, the number of bookings she had in other to establish how much she owes them, whether there is a maximum or not that group of persons is not only providing a service IMO, they also control her to some degree and the SP is not as Indy as it seems.
CA
It's not rare for company startups to use "incubators" service because they don't have yet the workload to hire support staff nor the cash flow to cover some fixed costs (rent, payroll, etc..) or fixed assets (server, office furniture, etc).
Indies banding together in a sort of a coop or using the services of an escort-oriented incubator can achieve greater visibility by either sharing or amortizing advertisement costs - basic stuff.
In this view and the moment there's no one in the background collecting a commission for every call, indies are what they claim to be.
Indies banding together in a sort of a coop or using the services of an escort-oriented incubator can achieve greater visibility by either sharing or amortizing advertisement costs - basic stuff.
In this view and the moment there's no one in the background collecting a commission for every call, indies are what they claim to be.
That's an intriguing statement. Escorts would give up $60 per call? Is it reasonable then to think that some kind of revenue sharing scheme is at work? (i.e. a pot which would be shared in equal parts after a given period of time?)Just-ass-weet said:
wow 92 post in that thread !!! thats very good but i would like to say something
here the secratary of indy's secrets
first
all the ladies ** indy's ** on our website book their own calls on their cell phone.
They decide their rates, they decide when they work, they are truly indy's.
second : yes they pay a fixed fee to be in the group, and this fee is for the secratary and administration of the website. ( the fee is 14$ per day to be in the group)
this is a fixed price we charge to take care of all advertising and response to email and pm for the girls.
Everybody that has used indy's secrets ( judy's secrets) knows we always give information they need to help them to book a meeting with the ladies.
We dont take bookings, because the lady makes that decision. At the end of the request by email and after we have gave the information, we invite him to call directly on the phone the indy's to confirm with her the date.
most of the girls on the website were working before for an agency and have no idea how this works.
Here at indy's secrets we explaine to her what they have to do and how the indy's business works. we help her to start her own business and i can tell you that website works very well for the ladies.
In maximum 2h they are online and have profiles already setup and ready to start to make her own money and talk to the custumers.
I can call our service very simple and very easy for the ladies that start in the indy's industries.
We give her support and help her to grow her own business to the maximum income she wants.
I repeat at indy's secrets no charges per call is a fixed rate per week, they have to pay and is a mini mini mini 14$ per day.
I invite you to call all the ladies on our website and you will see all the ladies have their own phone and their own profiles and book their own calls.
and the most important thing for us is they are really happy .
All my best to everyone Http://indyssecrets.googlepages.com
p.s it's such a good thing we started a new section for toronto another city
I think the ladies like our system and it works very well with a good structure.
here the secratary of indy's secrets
first
all the ladies ** indy's ** on our website book their own calls on their cell phone.
They decide their rates, they decide when they work, they are truly indy's.
second : yes they pay a fixed fee to be in the group, and this fee is for the secratary and administration of the website. ( the fee is 14$ per day to be in the group)
this is a fixed price we charge to take care of all advertising and response to email and pm for the girls.
Everybody that has used indy's secrets ( judy's secrets) knows we always give information they need to help them to book a meeting with the ladies.
We dont take bookings, because the lady makes that decision. At the end of the request by email and after we have gave the information, we invite him to call directly on the phone the indy's to confirm with her the date.
most of the girls on the website were working before for an agency and have no idea how this works.
Here at indy's secrets we explaine to her what they have to do and how the indy's business works. we help her to start her own business and i can tell you that website works very well for the ladies.
In maximum 2h they are online and have profiles already setup and ready to start to make her own money and talk to the custumers.
I can call our service very simple and very easy for the ladies that start in the indy's industries.
We give her support and help her to grow her own business to the maximum income she wants.
I repeat at indy's secrets no charges per call is a fixed rate per week, they have to pay and is a mini mini mini 14$ per day.
I invite you to call all the ladies on our website and you will see all the ladies have their own phone and their own profiles and book their own calls.
and the most important thing for us is they are really happy .
All my best to everyone Http://indyssecrets.googlepages.com
p.s it's such a good thing we started a new section for toronto another city
I think the ladies like our system and it works very well with a good structure.
Last edited:
hey jessy i have a question for you ?
like an owner of agency how much you do per call on the head of all lady work for you ?
160$ - 100 to the lady - 20 to driver = 40$ per call
if i am not wrong if you finish to have 9 girls one day in your agency and they make 4 call per day
thats equal : 40$ x 4 call = 160$ per girls profit
and for the final : 160$ x 9 girls = 1440 one day
1440 x 7 day = 10 080
like an owner of agency how much you do per call on the head of all lady work for you ?
160$ - 100 to the lady - 20 to driver = 40$ per call
if i am not wrong if you finish to have 9 girls one day in your agency and they make 4 call per day
thats equal : 40$ x 4 call = 160$ per girls profit
and for the final : 160$ x 9 girls = 1440 one day
1440 x 7 day = 10 080
I was going to stay away from this thread but...
As the title said...I wanted to stay away from this thread but several points have been raised that I find quite interesting.
I agree with Maria, Anik, T76, Daringly and the others that have the same views.
I was approached by one of these new agencies and quite frankly, as Maria stated, there was nothing in it for me as an independent. The bigger question that I had was what is in it for you (the agency). Unfortunately that question was not answered. The conversation began with an explanation of the “plan” which I didn't quite understand. It rang to the tune of a group of indies under one banner, helping each other out. I was told that if I was not able to see a client one night then I could refer him to another girl that was part of the same group. I was then told that all I had to do was send a few pictures that would be posted on the website along with my weekly schedule. I found this quite interesting and stated "I already have a website, I already have pictures, and I already have my schedule posted - why not just place my banner on your site." The conversation ended there.
When you associate yourself with someone, you are associating yourself with that person’s image. I would have nothing against these new agencies if the profits made were being split equally amongst the indies. However, that is not the case and I highly doubt that it ever will be. Furthermore, the fee that any indy pays to the Head of the group for "advertising" will never decrease should the number of indies in that group increase.
Advertising on 22 sites....big deal. I would imagine that most of the 22 sites are non-paying sites or if they are paid advertisement then the costs are very minimal. When means of advertisement are mentioned such as the Mirror, the Hour, annonces123 etc., I tend to chuckle because as a general rule these means of advertisement do not cater to the clients who are willing to pay $200 to $300 an hour to see a girl. (Especially when the next add is for a lady who charges $120).
It was mentioned that there would be more exposure for the indies joining a group (example: being able to announce in the agency section of a website to lure the clients who prefer dealing with agencies). I can only assume that the attitude that is behind this train of thought is one of taking clients for a ride which I definitely do not want to be part of.
Would you ever see an agency join another agency and work under the same banner? No…because both agencies loose their independence. And in the cases where this has happened, it was quickly pointed out to show how wrong and misleading this was. It is no different with the new indies’ agencies.
I agree with Maria, Anik, T76, Daringly and the others that have the same views.
I was approached by one of these new agencies and quite frankly, as Maria stated, there was nothing in it for me as an independent. The bigger question that I had was what is in it for you (the agency). Unfortunately that question was not answered. The conversation began with an explanation of the “plan” which I didn't quite understand. It rang to the tune of a group of indies under one banner, helping each other out. I was told that if I was not able to see a client one night then I could refer him to another girl that was part of the same group. I was then told that all I had to do was send a few pictures that would be posted on the website along with my weekly schedule. I found this quite interesting and stated "I already have a website, I already have pictures, and I already have my schedule posted - why not just place my banner on your site." The conversation ended there.
When you associate yourself with someone, you are associating yourself with that person’s image. I would have nothing against these new agencies if the profits made were being split equally amongst the indies. However, that is not the case and I highly doubt that it ever will be. Furthermore, the fee that any indy pays to the Head of the group for "advertising" will never decrease should the number of indies in that group increase.
Advertising on 22 sites....big deal. I would imagine that most of the 22 sites are non-paying sites or if they are paid advertisement then the costs are very minimal. When means of advertisement are mentioned such as the Mirror, the Hour, annonces123 etc., I tend to chuckle because as a general rule these means of advertisement do not cater to the clients who are willing to pay $200 to $300 an hour to see a girl. (Especially when the next add is for a lady who charges $120).
It was mentioned that there would be more exposure for the indies joining a group (example: being able to announce in the agency section of a website to lure the clients who prefer dealing with agencies). I can only assume that the attitude that is behind this train of thought is one of taking clients for a ride which I definitely do not want to be part of.
Would you ever see an agency join another agency and work under the same banner? No…because both agencies loose their independence. And in the cases where this has happened, it was quickly pointed out to show how wrong and misleading this was. It is no different with the new indies’ agencies.
Elizabeth we could split it and make 2.50$ each and say that we are associates who run an association of indies.
Jessy xxx said:Don't worry Elizabeth...
Have you notice, no matter how much of us is interested to the situation, that the question was directed to me ?
Judy, do you have an idea of how much it cost in advertising to make sure that the 9 girls have 4 calls every day of the week ?
Do you have to work every day of the week ?
Do they work every day of the week ?
Hum ... I wonder, but you have to pay every day of the week, right ?
is not judy is the secretary and i speak on my name ** here the secratary of indy's secrets **
read the thread on my first post i specify is the secretary
Similar threads
- Locked
- Poll
