Am I changing or is the industry changing?

[Julia Sky]

sigh. Julia, again I wasn't referring to you, but as I can see the landscape is there for a bunch of these mini-feuds when I was just trying to be diplomatic I will tell you that I was commenting more towards the OP than anything that anyone else said. I suspect that every single one of the providers here understands their own clientele perfectly well, because by design they have attracted exactly those people. Those clients may not be a reflection or the larger whole though, and that's again what I was referring to. I'm not sure if I can be any clearer about it than that, but again none of that was directed at you personally.

Okay, your comment seemed aimed at multiple people so that is my bad for reading it that way.

Those clients aren't even a reflection of the majority of my own clientele either (and I personally never claimed they were or that the industry was heading towards a majority of lavish dates). My only gripe with the comments in this thread was the idea that going on a social date once in a while makes someone a fake escort and a misandrist. It's the only reason I've commented at all. God forbids a woman likes steak and anal!

 

[Rebaynia]

Absolutely 100% and guys that are on a budget don’t have time to waste. They want their needs met and don’t wanna go through loops and hoops. There is a clientele for everyone but let’s not fool ourselves why we’re all here.


Yup. Spot on! Some glamorize this industry in ways that is not realistic. Illusions of grandeur.

This is the clientele who you like to cater to. Don't worry, I don't give my potential clients false hope. When what you describe, is all they are looking for. I now know where I can send them.

I screen for people who are looking for comunication, I have found people like you described and I don't get along.

Yes we have fun. I am there for play time. When I am asked, my answer is, it is one of my favorite ways to pass the time, but in my screening, I am picking out who will enjoy their time with me, and letting those who won't, know that they won't like me before they pay to find that out.

And what does it matter to you how someone else chooses to advertise? If they want to advertise as no sex escort for fine gallas and events, or to a work event to impress your boss, what is it to you? Technically it is escorting, I'm sure there is a market for simps who want to date the people they are attracted to, sounds like something an influencer might be able to get away with. But last I checked no one is saying no intimacy in their ads. Intimacy in many form are part of this, not everyone reaches out for the same kind of intimacy either.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I feel positively betrayed

I'm sorry you thought I was a college girl lol

 

[LeDodo]

This. And when booking, clients are asking what they want to book. If they ask for social dates they will got what they ask

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I'm gonna regret writing this as this is a bulldozer thread... Can we consider us lucky to have a review board that covers the general needs of a community, and how lucky we are to have SPs participating in it?
FWIW, I liked the OP's comments. It is great to have humanity in an SP world.
All options are out there. This what this forum is about. Some want a quick fuck, some others want a bit more... Having the luxury to have SPs express their preferences... knowing that they already have their set of costs... why not???

It's also that expressing preferences doesn't mean we are resentful of clients who don't book us for the dates we find ideal. I'm grateful to have clients at all even if it's a half hour. I think people are reading into it too much. Some of my favorite clients just book me for an hour. I can't speak for OP but I don't think she's trying to push not having sex with clients unless I misunderstood...

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

and dont tell anyone this but I have sex with them hihi

 

[Lunaseraphim]

This. And when booking, clients are asking what they want to book. If they ask for social dates they will got what they ask

Yes exactly lol. There's a market for social dates and there's a market for other types of dates. I even offer a massage and BJ service. People are going to book what they want.

 

[Fradi]

God forbids a woman likes steak and anal!

In what order?
Hate to get it wrong and feel like crap after.

 

[Jacobisrael]

This whole post LC made alludes to how she enjoys the outings + wining and dining. It pretty much sounds like she’s imposing “how the industry changed” finally.

The thread is an actual question. But she answers it herself by saying “So yes, things are changing whether you like it or not” … oh and to not comment anything we don’t like. Maybe this should be a blog then?

We all know what this thread is inspired by lol. I’m all for the sisterhood but not when it’s toxic and it wants to gaslight clients into thinking how things are gonna be working now…

Do you see how ridiculous this is? She’s deciding for the clientele what she wishes to experience... When in the end she works for them.
It’s like me asking the waitress for a coffee and she brings me a BLT instead. Dafuq?

This is exactly why there should be a different site to advertise on. Maybe some girls’ time is up in the industry and instead of wanting to adapt to the industry they expect the industry and clientele to adapt to them… it doesn’t work that way.

To answer her thread in question “Am I changing or is the industry changing?” (That LC basically answered and decided for everyone) - yes, you’ve most probably changed. The industry hasn’t - and making a post trying to gain validation isn’t going to change it either.


You’re complicated things. Things can still be easy.


This isn’t true lol. I still have same day bookings - I value my business and accommodate many. This is prime time fear mongering.


This is not true either. Lmao. This is projection and showing what she wishes to have as a clientele or else she wouldn’t be on here trying to convince a whole site for booking escorts that this is what happens.


I’m fed up of the self entitled girls I swear. Talking down to men like this while they cater to men as their clientele. It’s completely laughable. This is exactly what men don’t want to book - so stop advertising.


Me myself and I. No one can relate lol.


I say it sucks. Girls like you clog up the industry and make it harder for clients to get what they want

People tend to forget that this is an escort review/ ad site. Not a site where SPs can try to convince clients that they can do less for more money because “times have changed or they might’ve changed?”

Again, stop trying to fix what ain’t broken and stop telling men they’re gonna have to get used to paying escorts for longer dates, dinner and a movie and FMTY. If you can get that experience from a gent that’s MARVELOUS and very good for you - it’s just not the actual reality 95% of the time - you will be booked for sexual intercourse. You will not be a fake girlfriend for most of the days - since they will do all that cutesy stuff back home with their wives.

Be for fucking real and stop living in LalaLand.

G-d bless you Valentina for bringing some common sense. Yes there are many decent girls left in the business but we always need to do our homework to find them and their number is becoming smaller and smaller. Of can be a reason. And also entitlement to money for crappier service (which we do our best to avoid). And yes it used to be better before Covid I was in the hobby since 2015. More senior hobbyists could confirm how it was before. If you want to offer social services for 20k that’s your business but like any business people have to be honest or they will lose clients. If I pay my barber for a haircut of course he’s going to have a conversation with me but I’m not paying him for a conversation. I’m paying for a haircut. Same goes with an SP if I pay for sex and gfe (and if that was mentionned in the ad and agreed upon of course) of course we will talk but I am not paying to only talk. I have great respect for SPs that provide what they advertise but 0 sympathy for scammers in ANY business.

Cheers

 

[UncleBob]

I think some johns might like to pay for social with their SP date at mini-putt AND f*cking them too.
I'm pretty sure LC didn't meant that there are more clients that only want socials without intimacy...
Now, is it a trend?
It has always existed but is it more popular? I don't know... I'll believe you ladies.
Because I'm not this type that pays for social at all.

I've been in the hobby and on merb for quite a while but I'm still unsure I can call myself the average john...
So this is my own opinion and I'm not generalizing.

- About the Rates: They increased way more than my salary...
I could wait more without seeing ladies and pay the merb indy rates once in a while but over 300-350/H just turns me off.
It kills the GFE... For the GFE to be realistic and chemistry to happen at some point and repeat etc, the Rate must be at a certain level that fits with my budget...
Because, I also like, when the session goes off the charts, to develop some connivance, complicity and to achieve that, I have to repeat frequently, not only every one or two months...
So since the rates are almost double of 12 years ago, I mostly rely to half hour dates which is not an option with most merb indies.
And even the merb agencies do not promote HH rdv even if they might accomodate... I never asked.

In the same vein, the HDH indies playing the glamour card (they existed even 10-15 years ago) and suggesting expensive gifts, wines, trips etc, are a total turn off for me.
I guess there is a clientele for that...

- I never liked merb Agencies. And many Indies for the same following reason: To book the most popular SP, you need to PREBOOK.
I just hate prebooking... When I look at Ads, it's because I'm looking for intimacy not in 5 hours, not tomorrow, not in a week, just f*ckin now. Later, I might not be in the mood for any reasons... Especially today as I get older...
EI and LL are the norm for that type of fast booking I think.

- If the Social Date John's are more popular, I don't think every john will eventually transform and look for a Mini-putt+Intimacy type Companion.
This will remain I think only for high budget Johns...
Still, I'm surprised that this type of date is increasing...

I’m all worried about losing clients. If anything they tell me they don’t wanna book liberal women because they might have dicks. You gals are number 1 at shutting men down. You do it to yourselves.
Thanks tho I’ll be fine <3

- I will be honnest with you ladies, and admit that Lady's that are writing their opinions, discussing about any subjects on merb, and it is most of the time very interesting and constructive, is a Turn Off for me.
And I recall at least 2-3 indies from the past that I was good friend with and that were posting opinions and discussed here but I never would have had intimacy with them... I don't know why
I probably need a shrink.
Maybe it makes you ladies look Not Sexy. I can't imagine having intimacy after some serious posts, opinions, arguments...
I hope I'm an exception because I like to read you and I think it is a good thing somehow...

 

[Lunaseraphim]

G-d bless you Valentina for bringing some common sense. Yes there are many decent girls left in the business but we always need to do our homework to find them and their number is becoming smaller and smaller. Of can be a reason. And also entitlement to money for crappier service (which we do our best to avoid). And yes it used to be better before Covid I was in the hobby since 2015. More senior hobbyists could confirm how it was before. If you want to offer social services for 20k that’s your business but like any business people have to be honest or they will lose clients. If I pay my barber for a haircut of course he’s going to have a conversation with me but I’m not paying him for a conversation. I’m paying for a haircut. Same goes with an SP if I pay for sex and gfe (and if that was mentionned in the ad and agreed upon of course) of course we will talk but I am not paying to only talk. I have great respect for SPs that provide what they advertise but 0 sympathy for scammers in ANY business.

Cheers

Nobody says we're going on a sex strike. I still love giving uncovered BJ's and getting fucked doggy style, thank you. Some people here can tell you I offer a great service.

I think some johns might like to pay for social with their SP date at mini-putt AND f*cking them too.
I'm pretty sure LC didn't meant that there are more clients that only want socials without intimacy...
Now, is it a trend?
It has always existed but is it more popular? I don't know... I'll believe you ladies.
Because I'm not this type that pays for social at all.

I've been in the hobby and on merb for quite a while but I'm still unsure I can call myself the average john...
So this is my own opinion and I'm not generalizing.

- About the Rates: They increased way more than my salary...
I could wait more without seeing ladies and pay the merb indy rates one in a while but over 300-350/H just turns me off.
It kills the GFE... For the GFE to be realistic and chemistry to happen at some point and repeat etc, the Rate must be at a certain level that fits with my budget...
Because, I also like, when the session goes off the charts, to develop some connivance, complicity and to achieve that, I have to repeat frequently, not only every one or two months...
So since the rates are almost double of 12 years ago, I mostly rely to half hour dates which is not an option with most merb indies.
And even the merb agencies do not promote HH rdv even if they might accomodate... I never asked.

In the same vein, the HDH indies playing the glamour card (they existed even 10-15 years ago) and suggesting expensive gifts, wines, trips etc, are a total turn off for me.
I guess there is a clientele for that...

- I never liked merb Agencies. And many Indies for the same reason... To book the most popular SP, you need to PREBOOK.
I just hate prebooking... When I look at Ads, it's because I'm looking for intimacy not in 5 hours, not tomorrow, not in a week, just f*ckin now. Later, I might not be in the mood for any reasons... Especially today as I get older...
EI and LL are the norm for that type of fast booking I think.

- If the Social Date John's are more popular, I don't think every john will eventually transform and look for a Mini-putt+Intimacy type Companion.
This will remain I think only for high budget Johns...
Still, I'm surprised that this type of date is increasing...


- I will be honnest with you ladies, and say that Lady's that are writing their opinions, discussing about any subjects on merb, and it is most of the time very interesting and constructive, is a Turn Off for me.
And I recall at least 2-3 indies from the past that I was good friend with and that were posting opinions and discussed here but I never would have had intimacy with them... I don't know why
I probably need a shrink.
Maybe it makes you ladies look Not Sexy. I can't imagine having intimacy after some serious posts, opinions, arguments...
I hope I'm an exception because I like to read you and I think it is a good thing somehow...

I get the message. I thought posting here was good for my business because a lot of clients told me they loved reading my opinions. But if that's not the majority I will abstain and this is the last time I'm going to comment on a thread.

 

[Jacobisrael]

Nobody says we're going on a sex strike. I still love giving uncovered BJ's and getting fucked doggy style, thank you. Some people here can tell you I offer a great service.

I get the message. I thought posting here was good for my business because a lot of clients told me they lived reading my opinions. But if that's not the majority I will abstain and this is the last time I'm going to comment on a thread.

Never claimed you do. I’m talking about the ones that are like that lol

 

[CLOUD 500]

Okay, your comment seemed aimed at multiple people so that is my bad for reading it that way.

Those clients aren't even a reflection of the majority of my own clientele either (and I personally never claimed they were or that the industry was heading towards a majority of lavish dates). My only gripe with the comments in this thread was the idea that going on a social date once in a while makes someone a fake escort and a misandrist. It's the only reason I've commented at all. God forbids a woman likes steak and anal!

No it does not, it is more the stuff she says and how she says it. Lately these past few years the amount of misandrists is increasing. I see it on twitter a lot and even on Instagram. We talk a lot about misogyny but everyone is quiet about misandry. Misandry seems to becoming normalized. These so called women are a subgroup that is getting bigger by the year. They hate men and want them to bow down to them. They are entitled, grow armpit hair, talk down about men, hate the patriarchy. They got zero respect for men and we are just walking wallets to them. This one girl on social media who I meet at the stripclubs and also posts escorts ads, when a client asks her for if BBBJ is available, she insults them in the worst possible way and puts them down and then she publicly posts their the convo on social media. Why does someone have to be so mean about it? Just say no you do not and that is it. No need to insult him and expose him publicly. When it comes to how the industry changed, this is definitely one of them. More and more misandrists and entitlement. Now I am not saying you or Luna are like this because none of you are but I want to make you aware is this is happening more and more and you will see the tweets and posts from there girls. I stay clear of them.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Never claimed you do. I’m talking about the one that are like that lol

I know but this whole time it's been insinuated that the indies who posted on this thread are like that..

 

[CLOUD 500]

Nobody says we're going on a sex strike. I still love giving uncovered BJ's and getting fucked doggy style, thank you. Some people here can tell you I offer a great service.

I get the message. I thought posting here was good for my business because a lot of clients told me they loved reading my opinions. But if that's not the majority I will abstain and this is the last time I'm going to comment on a thread.

I like your posts, you contributed good stuff and have a head on your shoulders. It would be a loss to this board if you stopped commenting. Remember this is the internet, words may seem more harsh in writing.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

No it does not, it is more the stuff she says and how she says it. Lately these past few years the amount of misandrists is increasing. I see it on twitter a lot and even on Instagram. We talk a lot about misogyny but everyone is quiet about misandry. Misandry seems to becoming normalized. These so called women are a subgroup that is getting bigger by the year. They hate men and want them to bow down to them. They are entitled, grow armpit hair, talk down about men, hate the patriarchy. They got zero respect for men and we are just walking wallets to them. This one girl on social media who I meet at the stripclubs and also posts escorts ads, when a client asks her for if BBBJ is available, she insults them in the worst possible way and puts them down and then she publicly posts their the convo on social media. Why does someone have to be so mean about it? Just say no you do not and that is it. No need to insult him and expose him publicly. When it comes to how the industry changed, this is definitely one of them. More and more misandrists and entitlement. Now I am not saying you or Luna are like this because none of you are but I want to make you aware is this is happening more and more and you will see the tweets and posts from there girls. I stay clear of them.

I'm not a misandrist. That's all I can say. I don't see my clients as walking wallets, I take this job very seriously and put a lot of care into it. Maybe my "sensitivity" is an asset.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I'm not a misandrist. That's all I can say. I don't see my clients as walking wallets, I take this job very seriously and put a lot of care into it. Maybe my "sensitivity" is an asset.

I know you are not and I never implied that you were.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I know you are not and I never implied that you were.

I know but others on this thread did

 

[Salbandini]

I know but this whole time it's been insinuated that the indies who posted on this thread are like that..

Luna do you always get super sensitive ? You seem like a cool person but my god. stop reading everything as an insult or an attack . It isnt

 

[Julia Sky]

No it does not, it is more the stuff she says and how she says it. Lately these past few years the amount of misandrists is increasing. I see it on twitter a lot and even on Instagram. We talk a lot about misogyny but everyone is quiet about misandry. Misandry seems to becoming normalized. These so called women are a subgroup that is getting bigger by the year. They hate men and want them to bow down to them. They are entitled, grow armpit hair, talk down about men, hate the patriarchy. They got zero respect for men and we are just walking wallets to them. This one girl on social media who I meet at the stripclubs and also posts escorts ads, when a client asks her for if BBBJ is available, she insults them in the worst possible way and puts them down and then she publicly posts their the convo on social media. Why does someone have to be so mean about it? Just say no you do not and that is it. No need to insult him and expose him publicly. When it comes to how the industry changed, this is definitely one of them. More and more misandrists and entitlement. Now I am not saying you or Luna are like this because none of you are but I want to make you aware is this is happening more and more and you will see the tweets and posts from there girls. I stay clear of them.

But I'm not talking about that and neither was Valentina when she said that escorts who go on social dates sometimes are not actual working girls. We aren't having the same conversation. I'm only addressing that specific part of this entire thread.