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Flabert

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See my post #18 above, where I said:

“…the kid sounds like he maybe took one course on Marxism and became obsessed with it. The "manifesto" is filled with references to revolution, Marx, capitalism etc. He seems frustrated that his obsession with leftist economic theories did not help him get laid in Alberta (surprise!)”

Leftists think everything should be free, even sex and porn. :D
Wait, porn is not free???? I watch a lot of it and have never paid :)
 

CaptRenault

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Wait, porn is not free???? I watch a lot of it and have never paid :)
Well, yes, some porn is free...quite a bit in fact. Maybe I should have said that the killer wanted everything to be provided by government. He would have been happy in North Korea.
 
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I think many young people have strong opinions and tend to be more absolute. You have not seen things average out and the link between effort and success *on average*. The idea of the government being the answer to everything also falls apart as you age and deal with the govt, same as “defund the police” or “the market will solve everything” absolute break down with lived experience.

In this case the killer had many crazy ideas so everyone can find their pet enemy reflected in him. He had some marxist ideas but also incel and random points. His manifesto will be forgotten just like his name has already been.
 

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Liam Deboer, a Canadian podcaster and political commentator made an interesting observation about the Montreal killer and others who have committed similar acts. Deboer says that we shouldn't focus on the killer's ideology and motivation because they are just convenient excuses for the individual who decides to blame some person or group for his own failures. The killer finds an ideology that he can use to justify killing and then he sets out to kill someone or members of some group. The ideology is just an excuse.


Every wave of political violence arrives with an idea attached to explain it. He was radicalized or fell down a rabbit hole. We treat the belief as the cause and the bloodshed as its conclusion. Ordinary people, we tell ourselves, until a doctrine got hold of them. Today I am going to argue the opposite: the wrath comes first, and the doctrine is what it puts on afterward to look like justice...

We think we reason our way to a belief and then feel accordingly.

More often the feeling takes power first and conscripts whatever idea will make it feel virtuous.

An ideology is sometimes not a cause, but an alibi.

An insatiable lust for violence and destruction is bubbling up in the collective psyche of the worst among us.

An incel Marxist goes on a shooting spree in Montreal and leaves behind a 104-page manifesto. Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered and a significant number of people celebrated. Luigi Mangione assassinated a CEO and countless people called him a hero. Others will tell you, in supposedly polite company, that they wish the attempts on Trump’s life had succeeded. I open X and a post about a trans person murdering someone for misgendering them has thousands of likes from people insisting it would be justified. Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire launched a wave of calls to eat the rich. On Facebook I find a page called Guillotines for a Better America, with a post claiming “all of your problems are because billionaires have heads,” and commenters debating whether they should execute millionaires too. One says all capitalists — which presumably means everyone who owns a business or a home. Another proposes starting with the wealthiest, waiting seven days, killing the next, and repeating until things improve, as though French Revolution-style slaughter were the surest road to prosperity.

We are told these are all different. And in scale, perhaps they are — some carry lethal consequences, others are only confessions typed into a screen. Most people treat them as unrelated problems, each with its own thing to blame. I believe they are deeply linked. The murderer, the celebrant, and the online daydreamer all hold the same conviction: that blood is the only path to a better world.

In each case, people argue over the cause. With the Montreal killer, one camp calls him an incel, another points to his Marxism, another to his anti-Zionism. Each reading holds some truth. But they share one flaw — they all assume the belief came first and the violent impulse second. That these were ordinary people until an idea entered them, took hold, and drove them to something horrific. Radicalization as infection.

Corrupted people do not stumble into dangerous ideas. They go looking for them.

Ideology can and does corrupt people. But the opposite is the more compelling explanation: that corrupted people seek out ideologies to justify their twisted aims. Centuries before the comment section, Nietzsche diagnosed this in his own time. He called it ressentiment — not ordinary anger, which comes and goes, but the slow poison of those who surrender all hope and autonomy, come to see themselves as perpetual victims, and resent the world for it. And ressentiment is creative. It does not merely sour a person on the inside. It builds values, justifications, entire moral systems designed to make a grudge feel like justice.

Nietzsche wrote that every drive within a person wants to become master, and once it rules, it philosophizes in its own spirit. The feeling takes the throne first. The philosophy is what the feeling dictates. We imagine we reason our way to our convictions and then feel accordingly. More often it runs the other way. The emotion seizes power, then conscripts whatever ideas will make its bloodlust feel virtuous.

These people say they want a better world. The guillotine page talks about co-ops and worker ownership. The killer’s manifesto promises an end to the loneliness that wrecks ordinary men. The activist swears the violence is self-defense for the oppressed. We are told this is idealism that has lost its way. But watch where the energy goes. The guillotine crowd is vivid, specific, and delighted about the killing. The Montreal manifesto spends pages detailing who must be liquidated and how, and offers only a flimsy sketch of the communal society that supposedly justifies it. All of these people — back to Marx himself — spend far more time naming who deserves to be on the receiving end of theft and violence than working out how their ideal society would actually function, let alone building it.

This is the difference between a genuine grievance and a pathological one. Ressentiment only subtracts. It locates the entire source of its suffering outside itself and proposes to remove that source from the face of the earth. Take off the billionaires’ heads. Liquidate the favored men. Cut down the one who said the wrong pronoun. None of these are doctrines aimed at stability or coherence. They are justifications for resentment.

That is why these movements hate the language of self-improvement — why the manifesto sneers at lifting weights, at becoming confident, at building something. It is why all the blame falls on the health insurance CEO and none on the millions living with lifestyle-induced chronic disease. It is why billionaires’ heads become the cause of all your problems. To improve yourself is to admit you have agency over your own life, and agency is surrendered long before ressentiment swallows the soul. That is what the sane are truly up against. Not a single ideology, but the spirit that spawns them all.
 

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I don't know why they keep calling Incel an `Ideology`, if it is involuntary then it is not a choice. A vow of celibacy is a choice and, in it's way, it deserve respect.

But you don't get up one morning and decide to become frustrated because you cannot get laid ever. It is simply a matter of a loser who instead of putting the efforts on changing is life or seek help, he made the choice of blaming his problems on others or on any system that, clearly, he didn't understood.
 
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