Caution to all, be careful of this to hobbyists

[Richardhart]

Hello all, hope all is well.
I just wanted to give a brief heads up on something.
I will try to weigh my words carefully as to not get in any trouble.
Also if this is deemed unappropriate, mods please erase and accept my apologys.

I tend to enjoy seeing latina girls and there has been more & more traveling latinas visiting the city over the last 2 years.
Over the last week i have noticed 3 different girls at 3 locations having the same tattoo.
Either on the back right shoulder or on the frontal chest area.
The tattoo is of a shaded hand and the letter m is inside or below it.

I remembered seeing this in a documentary and after looking it up today, it confirmed what i thought.
That is a symbol of a certain group or groups of cart*l or m*fia from mexico or south america that are all over the world now.
Also the biggest prison gang in the world aside from a nazi prison gang.

Not the type of people you ever want to cross paths with or be involved with if we are being honest.
No need to jump to conclusions, as anything is possible. I just think some should be aware of this.
I also think i will be avoiding latina girls from now on.

They were in long term airbnb appartments & condos, not hotels or motels.
One on rene levesque, one near fort street, one near the jacques cartier bridge.

Also in each location there were 2 or 3 other girls (which means thers at least 7 girls not just the 3 i saw)
1 was bait & switch, chubby. The 2 other were really hot.
I choose to not do reviews because i do not want to support anything involved in potentially any type of thing i mentioned above. A shame because the 2 non bait & switch girls were awesome.
*also in one girls ad we can clearly see the tattoo i am referencing and when asking an AI assiatant to scan the pic, what it responded was scary as fck

Devils advocate: the asian places sp & mp with rotations of girls do the exact same thing, bringing in traveling girls and providing them a place to work, so maybe i am fearful for nothing

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

This kind of hand?

 

[Richardhart]

This kind of hand?

Yup. Identical. Even had the missing part of the ring finger

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Yup. Identical. Even had the missing part of the ring finger

Definately mexican mafia symbol

 

[EagerBeaver]

missing part of the ring finger

Richardhardt,

For some reason, your post made me wonder what would have happened to you if something happened to one of these tattooed girls while on your watch, even if it was not your fault. This was always a nightmare of mine while I was an active hobbyist: the girl passes out or drops dead on your watch, maybe after partying with you. If this happened with one of these girls, I suspect unspeakable things would have happened to you, Richardhardt, and if you were left with a portion of your ring finger and the rest of your body intact, you would have been very lucky.

Around 5 years ago, there was a case here in CT which got quite a lot of publicity, both locally and nationally, in which a guy lived out this nightmare. A lady who was on a Bumble date with the guy died under suspicious circumstances while in his company. It emerged from news reports that they had been drinking and partying all night at her place, with booze and drugs he may have supplied. It later turned out that the Medical Examiner determined she died of an accidental overdose and she was found to have fentanyl, alcohol and 2 other drugs in her system. The police apparently felt sorry for her date because he found her dead and was horrified. The police did a weak investigation and never charged him with anything. Her family members later claimed that this was institutional racism because the lady who died was black, and her date was a white guy in his 30s. More about this in this People's Magazine article:

https://people.com/crime/family-of-connecticut-woman-who-died-after-bumble-date-challenges-accidental-death-ruling/

My recollection is his identity was eventually leaked, this because the lady's family went bananas looking for answers. The accounts by the local media in CT were a bit more detailed and strongly suggested that the male date partied with her and put most of the alcohol in her system, if not the fentanyl and other substances.

One can only wonder if this had happened with one of the tatted Mexican girls, whether he would still be with us right now.

 

[Richardhart]

Richardhardt,

You hit the nail on the head somewhat.
all filters aside, we all understand that certain parts of this hobby can rub shoulders with a criminal element.
Some girls use, some girls work for people, if a client does something wrong well some girls have some form of protection or backup and so on.
But from what we hear about cart*l related incidents, they burn people alive and behead them for very little and they are far more violent than most criminal groups.
That being said, i am respectful & a gentleman who has good intentions always. I don't ever plan on being reprimanded due to a date. But for whatever reason if i was to be approached by people regarding an encounter, then a bunch of bikers or thugs or pimps speaking to me does not worry me at all, not even in the least. But the thought of ever speakimg to someone in the cart*l absolutely terrifies me.

 

[CaptRenault]

Definately mexican mafia symbol

True-it's a symbol of "La Eme' i.e. the Mexican Mafia, which is based in U.S. prisons and in Southern California.

You can thank President Trump and federal agents for making this arrest of many members about a week ago.

Mexican Mafia turned American neighborhoods into ‘Gangsta’s Paradise’ with murders, kidnappings, drugs: feds

Federal authorities announced a sweeping takedown of an alleged Mexican Mafia network in Southern California, charging over 40 in an Orange County crime ring.

www.yahoo.com

Chilling crimes of Mexican Mafia gangsters revealed in SoCal takedown

The indictment for the Gangsta’s Paradise takedown lists the crimes its members are accused of.

nypost.com

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Did we need another reason to stay off LeoList?

 

[Richardhart]

Did we need another reason to stay off LeoList?

I mean where else can we go?
- merb is great, but has very limited advertisers that you can cycle through the whole list in days or weeks & is mainly used in advertising section by agencys.
(I always tell girls they should just advertise on merb but they never seem to find their way on here)
- escorteintime is majoritarily very trashy selections
- annonce123 is majoritarily even trashier and the streetwalker level of websites
- tryst is cool, but has the highest saturation and degree of photoshop out of every country that tryst is in. To me that is a form of bait & switch. Touchups okay i understand, but this is not touchups lol, its plastic surgery and magic weight removal digitally.
Also after going to see most of them, you kind of get turned off by the hdh high class thing when literally 90% of them look absolutely nothing like their ads and you feel ripped off by paying top shelf premium price for something mundane or average.
- all other sites here & there are ghost towns flooded with old numbers that are no longer good.

Only leolist remains. Sure its a cesspool of filth and treachery.. but there are tons of indy gems among the fake ads & the fake indys that are agencys, the onlyfans ads, the bait & switch ads, the good & the bad etc.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I mean where else can we go?
- merb is great, but has very limited advertisers that you can cycle through the whole list in days or weeks & is mainly used in advertising section by agencys.
(I always tell girls they should just advertise on merb but they never seem to find their way on here)

Huh? With all the girls on this board and Indys and agencies, if I were to book a different SP every week it would take me over a year to get through all. Plenty on this board. Between you and I, better to skip Leolist but to each their own. You are brave, it is very risky to use Leolist these days there are a lot of crazy people out to rob.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Only leolist remains. Sure its a cesspool of filth and treachery.. but there are tons of indy gems among the fake ads & the fake indys that are agencys, the onlyfans ads, the bait & switch ads, the good & the bad

From my reading of your detailed reports, you are willing to endure more frequent disappointments, scams, or dangerous situations than the average user in your quest for the elusive hidden gem. I guess that's why you are a "Certified Outlier"

I much prefer the higher level of predictability and relative safety of dealing with well-known agencies.

 

[Artvandelay_importer]

This is why many here stick to well-known agencies. Been using them for years, never had issues, and never have to even think about these issues.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

This is why many here stick to well-known agencies. Been using them for years, never had issues, and never have to even think about these issues.

Like I said elsewhere, it's hard to understand for more risk-averse people, but for some other people, the inherent risk/uncertainty of Leolist is "part of the game". It contributes to the thrill! This is what we call in psychology sensation-seeking behaviour (previously called thrill-seeking) and I would expect every "hobbyist" to score higher on this measure–to different degrees–than the average person on the street.

 

[Artvandelay_importer]

Like I said elsewhere, it's hard to understand for more risk-averse people, but for some other people, the inherent risk/uncertainty of Leolist is "part of the game". It contributes to the thrill! This is what we call in psychology sensation-seeking behaviour (previously called thrill-seeking) and I would expect every "hobbyist" to score higher on this measure–to different degrees–than the average person on the street.

Ah I see, interesting. Yeah, I am generally more risk-averse, but it is only because when I started the hobby, I didn't know about forums and stuff, so I had to do a lot of trial and error and was thrill-seeking lol.

 

[Wildstar]

I mean where else can we go?

To more reputable places where the chance is infinitesimal that the girl was forced into sexual servitude by the Mexican Mafia?

Only leolist remains. Sure its a cesspool of filth and treachery.. but there are tons of indy gems among the fake ads & the fake indys that are agencys, the onlyfans ads, the bait & switch ads, the good & the bad etc.

I appreciate your willingness to take the plunge on so many dodgy leolist girls, it makes for entertaining (or, in some cases, disturbing) reading. But what is your "hit rate" on LL bookings (girl as described, services as advertised, no pimp in closet, etc.)? 10%? You have a far higher tolerance for variance in service outcomes than most here.

Are you unwilling to use the popular agencies? There must be a few hundred SPs among the top agencies to choose from. And although some encounters with them are disappointing, it's rarely a pure bait and switch, never a pimp hiding in the room, and never girls run by La Eme.

 

[Alicemay]

That’s so scary

 

[Richardhart]

From my reading of your detailed reports, you are willing to endure more frequent disappointments, scams, or dangerous situations than the average user in your quest for the elusive hidden gem. I guess that's why you are a "Certified Outlier"

I much prefer the higher level of predictability and relative safety of dealing with well-known agencies.

I don't use agencys (or at least very rarely do) i am more of a indy type of guy

 

[F117]

I live in in the deeeep south US. It's not a question here if the ladies are trafficked, it's which cartel is doing the trafficking. They even announce their nationalities in their on line ads - Cubana, Salvadorean, Puerto Rica, Colombiana, etc. I've been told to never take your wallet or cell phone into an appointment with them. While you are distracted, everything in your wallet and cell phone will be cloned. Then come the death threats to you and your family, accompanied by (real) grisly photos of decapitations, mutilations, etc. Americans are so stupid - they put their whole lives on Facebook and their professional lives on LinkedIn. It takes the cartels a few minutes to find out where you live, where you work, pictures of your family, etc. - then the never ending payment for fairly bad service really starts.

I save my money and travel to Montreal and see ladies from IndyCompanion. Never had a bad experience, have repeated with most.

You have the luxury of a choice. Where I am is what happens when the government completely criminalizes all sexual behavior. (It is a felony to ask for sex for money and to own more than 6 sex toys - not kidding.)

 

[Richardhart]

You have the luxury of a choice.

I firmly disagree. I have been hobbying for about 26 years. Montreal was always the absolute epidemy of gems, the most incredible girls & services.
SInce around 2023 it has become quite the opposite. Of all my travels, we are the absolute worst selection of top tier gems out of everywhere i have been. Today i find what used to be the standard in montreal maybe 4 or 5 times a year (and when i am single i sometimes see a girl every day, months in a row So that is a very low average)
We do however have a massive selection of sweet bbw girls, when i am in the mood for a lovely bbw, i have an abundance to choose from.
The absolute top shelf upper tier model types and perfect spinners, i can barely count on 4 hands. And with so little top tier gems for so many people, you could wait weeks for an appointment.
My recent trip to toronto was the most intense i have seen i think, 14 dates in 2.5 weeks & 13 out of 14 were perfect 10's in terms of body & service. Much more costly, but at least you get what you want for that price
(Fun fact, at least 10 of those 14 girls were french canadian and left montreal to work in toronto because prices in montreal have increased barely 40$ in the last 26 years)

 

[F117]

I firmly disagree. I have been hobbying for about 26 years. Montreal was always the absolute epidemy of gems, the most incredible girls & services.
SInce around 2023 it has become quite the opposite. Of all my travels, we are the absolute worst selection of top tier gems out of everywhere i have been. Today i find what used to be the standard in montreal maybe 4 or 5 times a year (and when i am single i sometimes see a girl every day, months in a row So that is a very low average)
We do however have a massive selection of sweet bbw girls, when i am in the mood for a lovely bbw, i have an abundance to choose from.
The absolute top shelf upper tier model types and perfect spinners, i can barely count on 4 hands. And with so little top tier gems for so many people, you could wait weeks for an appointment.
My recent trip to toronto was the most intense i have seen i think, 14 dates in 2.5 weeks & 13 out of 14 were perfect 10's in terms of body & service. Much more costly, but at least you get what you want for that price
(Fun fact, at least 10 of those 14 girls were french canadian and left montreal to work in toronto because prices in montreal have increased barely 40$ in the last 26 years)

I respect your point of view and your experience. For my point of reference, I see a specific provider 3, maybe 4 times a year if I'm lucky. She's the only one I can trust on many levels - I call them the 5 D's to avoid: Drunk, Drugged, Deranged, Demented, and Determined to hurt you as a means to their personal "recovery". That is the norm where I am. Trump - quality concealer on the forearms and the back of the knees to cover "marks"? Check. Pupils like pin points or coffee cups? Check? STDs? Check, check, and check.
I still think that you have a range of safe, inexpensive (in all ways) choices that our 18th century criminal system does not allow us. You are fortunate. Enjoy, and watch out for any politician that claims to "get tough on crime"!