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This is what he got fired for.

...when asked by anchor Katy Tur about “the environment in which a shooting like this happens,” Dowd responded with the following about Kirk: “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”


Looks like free speech is dead in America for anyone left leaning. He didn't celebrate Kirk's death, make jokes, call for violence, or lay the blame on one side or the other. He just provided his opinion on the situation. I'd say it's a pretty accurate analysis.
Meanwhile the right wing politicians and media are calling for war. If Fox had to follow the same rules as MSNBC, they'd have no one left to put in front of the camera. Right wing sure does love cancel culture when they're the ones doing the cancelling.
I think when you are an employee of a media company, answering live on the air it is not a free speech issue.

Msnbc needs a pundit to answer these questions in a way that please its core audience, does not scare advertisers and does not expose them to appearing more biased than they are. He fucked up, apologizing could have worked but they needed a sacrificial lamb.

There is always a context to firings. Maybe they were already done with him and looking for an excuse to replace him!
 

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I think when you are an employee of a media company, answering live on the air it is not a free speech issue.

Msnbc needs a pundit to answer these questions in a way that please its core audience, does not scare advertisers and does not expose them to appearing more biased than they are. He fucked up, apologizing could have worked but they needed a sacrificial lamb.

There is always a context to firings. Maybe they were already done with him and looking for an excuse to replace him!
Wrong place, wrong time.

According to the article, he said this when all they knew was that a gun had been fired at the event. There was no report of injury or death. If they had waited 10 minutes before jumping on the story, things would be different. The blame should lie with the people running the show (producer? Show runner?).
 

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Brooke Singman work for FOX le that interest someone.
Yeah it was just an update to this story of new, alleged info circulating online a couple of hours ago… which has since been confirmed and is widely circulating. I could’ve taken a screenshot of someone else but it just so happened to be this person. I don’t like MSM or fox people.

MSM was saying he’s MAGA right off the bat on the news without any confirmation… that clearly turned out to be false since the get go. (Liberals came up with that label in no time tho).

See how no one waited and perpetuated the “he’s MAGA” narrative? People don’t wait and repeat a MSM headline they’re fed. I was 99% sure since the beginning he was not MAGA because why would a trump supporter shoot a trump advocate?

The importance of standing by and wait for new developments instead of regurgitating fear mongering headlines.
 
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I really believe the biggest source of divisiveness in this country is social media. You have a bunch of trolls on both sides posting absolute shit and nonsense that for some reason gets exalted and viralized, when the posts in reality should be ignored. And all you posters in this thread feed this division by repeating these troll posts. You are all responsible for feeding the divisiveness.
 

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She wasn't wrong. Here's a collection of responses from Right wing folks before ANYTHING was known. They were blaming the Left immediately and calling for war.

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This is what it's like in the United States these days in the trump era. I hope Canada is smarter and never experiences the tribalism and hate that exists in America.
 

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She wasn't wrong. Here's a collection of responses from Right wing folks before ANYTHING was known. They were blaming the Left immediately and calling for war.

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Once again, the dramatics and antics. Especially when you’re stuck in an echo chamber that feeds you propaganda and fear 24/7. It’s painfully obvious when someone has no perspective outside their bubble.

Try engaging your brain for once. Maybe critically think instead of suggesting the right somehow wants bloodshed - when it was the ACTUAL shooter, a “transtifa” supporter, who literally shed blood. But of course, the right is being painted as the problem for standing up to this. The irony writes itself. The drama never ends.

If you think people can’t express their views without being shouted down, censored, or labeled ESPECIALLY after an attack on one of their own - you are part of the problem. The left would cause riots and burn things down and attack more people (as they’re inciting to do so right now). Has the right done this? Not really, no.

Once again, Valentina will swoop in to explain everything to everyone like we’re toddlers - breaking it all down as if no one else is capable of understanding what things might mean:

When people say “war,” they don’t mean literal violence. They mean a cultural, ideological battle. The kind where the pen is mightier than the sword.

War on free speech.
War on basic rights.
War on reality.

The left treats everything like a joke - or worse, pretends it isn’t happening while silencing those who push back. The gaslighting and manipulation is next-level.

There’s nothing extreme about people standing up after being suppressed, silenced, and bullied into believing utter nonsense the PAST DECADE. Being threatened legally over pronouns, or being told that men in women’s bathrooms is “normal” and must be accepted without question.

New-age liberalism is eroding the very foundations of society. There’s a reason I walked away from that crowd a long time ago. It’s become an embarrassment - a hollow echo chamber that coddles people who refuse to think for themselves or take any accountability. It’s all performance, no principle. And frankly, it’s an insult to anyone with even half a brain. At some point, the one-sidedness has to stop. The left has wielded its cultural and institutional power to condition everyone else to shut up and comply with their worldview - and people are done with it. It shouldn’t be a surprise. People have been patient enough. It’s over now. Tough fkn titty. Time for the left to shut the fuck up and seek mental help and unbrainwashing.

The left created this world, yet they can’t seem to live in it because people are voicing out that a member of the left killed someone on the right? Apparently people need to just shut up and accept what happened.
Seems pretty intolerant to me.
Seems pretty unpeaceful to me.
Seems pretty FASCIST to me.

So yes - “war.” Not with violence, but with ideas. With voices. With values. A war for sanity, freedom, and truth.
 
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She wasn't wrong. Here's a collection of responses from Right wing folks before ANYTHING was known. They were blaming the Left immediately and calling for war.

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And if you want to play that game, I can show you real, actual events happening right now - not just your little screenshots full of dramatization to gaslight everyone into thinking the right wants actual war lmfao.

Here’s what’s wrong with the left: they’re grooming their own kids to celebrate the death of politicians or public figures. These kids can’t even form their own opinions because they’re being conditioned by their parents to grow up with toxic beliefs - beliefs that will likely turn them into awful human beings later on, without even understanding why.


 

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“Leftists are tolerant and peaceful people”

Proceeds to attack a person for a right to protest :



This is exactly what the left does. They shut everyone up simply because they don’t agree with their views.

being dramatic and saying the right wants war and missing that metaphorically is hilarious.
 

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This is what it's like in the United States these days in the trump era. I hope Canada is smarter and never experiences the tribalism and hate that exists in America.
You have got to be kidding.
Look back for 3-4 years on your political posts they are all filled with hate and venom against Trump and any Republican.
Calling the kettle black lol.
This is why I rarely post in the political section.
To me there is not much difference when it comes to lunatics both the right and left have an ample supply and trying to make sense of media posts is a lost cause as the bullshit flows heavy from both sides.
 

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You have got to be kidding.
Look back for 3-4 years on your political posts they are all filled with hate and venom against Trump and any Republican.
Calling the kettle black lol.
This is why I rarely post in the political section.
To me there is not much difference when it comes to lunatics both the right and left have an ample supply and trying to make sense of media posts is a lost cause as the bullshit flows heavy from both sides.
I believe people can change their minds - I have.
Just like Charlie started questioning things, like the Epstein list, toward the end.

Doesn’t negate that puppets are all corrupt.
It’s always the “lesser of two evils” and an illusion of choice

However, in reality, it’s we the people (the pawns) who are left with a deep divide.

Mainstream media is doing everything it can to fuel it. Especially with censorship. The fact that media outlets are government funded legacies should sound off alarms let alone. But people are asleep.
 
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