Hamas & Israel

[Mandouke]

Unfortunately many Muslims from the Middle East don't leave their hatred of Jews behind when they come to a place like Montreal. Montreal used to be a safe, welcoming place for Jews. Now I think a lot of them have left for either Israel or the U.S.

It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

You are right, it is not taking Montreal long to descend into the shithole that many other places have become, look at Paris and London.

 

[poupsy]

It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

You are right, it is not taking Montreal long to descend into the shithole that many other places have become, look at Paris and London

So what’s the solution?
Stop immigration? Let go some of our liberties ???

 

[EagerBeaver]

It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

I have a client who is a Minister of a Christian Faith. Although originally from an African nation that has both Christian and Muslim populations, he immigrated to the USA as a young man, and received his PhD in theology and divinity studies here.

He strongly believes that Islam is not a legitimate religion, but a well organized cult which fosters hatred of other religions and manipulates the political infrastructure of host nations to oppress and subjugate swaths of the population in a divisive manner. Divide and conquer based on an us vs. them type mentality.

However that doesn't fly in the USA and Canada due to separation of Church and state. Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.

Some small minded people have accused Israel of not separating Church and State due to the influence of the extreme orthodox right on the government, but I don't really believe that. There are a significant number of Israeli Arabs, who are all Muslims, in the Knesset. They don't chant the "Death to Israel" bullshit you hear elsewhere in the Arab world and are Israelis first and Muslims second.

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

 

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The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

Emigration from Arab countries is the most affected by religious extremism despite of the formal separation between religion and state in some Arab countries. In contrast, the Iranian emigration is either secular or is very tolerant both in the US and Canada despite of the extremist religious state at home. It shows that not only religion but also the traditional tribalism (“us” versus” them’) and culture plays a significant role.

 

[Mandouke]

I have a client who is a Minister of a Christian Faith. Although originally from an African nation that has both Christian and Muslim populations, he immigrated to the USA as a young man, and received his PhD in theology and divinity studies here.

He strongly believes that Islam is not a legitimate religion, but a well organized cult which fosters hatred of other religions and manipulates the political infrastructure of host nations to oppress and subjugate swaths of the population in a divisive manner. Divide and conquer based on an us vs. them type mentality.

However that doesn't fly in the USA and Canada due to separation of Church and state. Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.

Some small minded people have accused Israel of not separating Church and State due to the influence of the extreme orthodox right on the government, but I don't really believe that. There are a significant number of Israeli Arabs, who are all Muslims, in the Knesset. They don't chant the "Death to Israel" bullshit you hear elsewhere in the Arab world and are Israelis first and Muslims second.

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

Both the Koran and history prove this to be true. Wherever Islam is or has been, death and destruction follow when the numbers are right.

In terms of the Arab Israeli's their numbers are not sufficient; when they are, the problems will start.

The Minister of Christian Faith is correct.

 

[poupsy]

Emigration from Arab countries is the most affected by religious extremism despite of the formal separation between religion and state in some Arab countries. In contrast, the Iranian emigration is either secular or is very tolerant both in the US and Canada despite of the extremist religious state at home. It shows that not only religion but also the traditional tribalism (“us” versus” them’) and culture plays a significant role.

There are 2 type of iranians in canada ( according to an iranian refugee I met in California recently )
The ones that identifies as persians and hate the regime and the pro-regimes chiites that we saw parading downtown screaming in all black burkas and outfits a few weeks ago
Apparently it is known among iranian diaspora that canada hosts a lot of those extremists pro regimes. Apparently they receive financing from the ayatollahs to promote their agenda

 

[EagerBeaver]

I don't know if any of you are familiar with rising Israeli comedian Yohay Sponder but he spoofs many of the issues under discussion here in his comedy routine:

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[Halloween Mike]

So what’s the solution?
Stop immigration? Let go some of our liberties ???

We can be picky on who we let in. Just saying...

 

[Mandouke]

There are 2 type of iranians in canada ( according to an iranian refugee I met in California recently )
The ones that identifies as persians and hate the regime and the pro-regimes chiites that we saw parading downtown screaming in all black burkas and outfits a few weeks ago
Apparently it is known among iranian diaspora that canada hosts a lot of those extremists pro regimes. Apparently they receive financing from the ayatollahs to promote their agenda

Indeed. When speaking with Iranians, you will notice that those who identify as Persian are Iranians who are pro-democratic and dislike Islam and what it has done to their people. They are usually young and well-educated, and very friendly people.

Indeed. Canada, for decades, has received some of the worst refugee types. They are the ones that usually support the dictating regimes in power, and when the power struggle starts, they flee and places like Canada receive them.

 

[Mandouke]

We can be picky on who we let in. Just saying...

We need proper vetting and a reinstatement of the point system for all immigrants. When my mother and father came to Canada, there was no Medicare and few social programs; you had to work and pay taxes. They were admitted under that point system.

Bring it back, cut or limit the social entitlements and end the endless family class that is destroying our healthcare system with grandparents brought over in their 70s and 80s and immediately given healthcare at a time in their life when they need it most.

The current system is unsustainable.

 

[Anna Bijou]

As Brigette Gabriel (a Lebanese American Christian) explains so well in this short video, Israel left Gaza to the Palestinians and, with the help of Iran, they turned into into a vast camp for launching terror attacks on Israel. It's sad to imagine what they could have done with it. As a native of Lebanon, Gabriel understands how Islamist extremists can completely ruin a country.

ugh.

I'm going to first say that this mind blowing ignorance and bigotry, especially at this very moment, are truly hideous.
I need to point out that all of this is completely irrelevant to what is going on. It's a discussion that is only a deflection from the priority, which is the abomination that has been relentless for 21 months, more of the stupid talking points

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About Gabriel (what a shocker: she's a grifter and a professional bigot):

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BG: I want to start with the accusation of the occupation. Israel was minding its own business ever since it existed it it reached out to the Arabic World. It wanted to have peace with the Arabic World.

Oh, please. Give me a break. This is, of course, one of the endlessly recycled typical talking point that some people just repeat over and over.

Facts: Israel removed its own illegal squatters from stolen land that they have illegally occupied since 1967. Not to mention most in Gaza were already refugees who were ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948 and illegally prevented from returning to their homes in violation of their legally recognized right of return.

I've discussed on the Iran thread but the zionist terrorists destroyed over 400 Palestinian villages and towns, in many places they committed massacres, or they simply moved right into their homes, looted every last thing from homes, from their businesses, as if they were entitled to it. They stole archives, entire libraries, they stole the money from their bank accounts. Everything.


Facts - And these aren't my feelings or my opinion, this is straight from the ICJ’s advisory opinion from July 2024:
Gaza has remained illegally occupied, even after 2006.

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Let me just drop this here. You would think Israel would have accepted that offer... If they actually did want peace and 2 separate states (which is not just obvious based on their actions but is what they have said repeatedly and for decades that they do not).. From 2006:

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BG: In 1964 when the PLO the Palestinian Liberation Organization was founded the West Bank was in the hands of Jordan it was Jordan and Gaza was in the hands of Egypt it was Egypt so the PLO was founded in 1964 not because of Any occupation. They wanted to drive the Jews into the sea and get rid of every single Jew in the Middle East.

I’m not sure what the relevance is… who cares. Also, here we have the usual “every accusation is a confession” that is practically always behind such claims. What do you think Israel’s been doing to the Palestinians since before they were even a country? They started ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 1947 and by 1949, after some 30+ massacres, 400+ villages destroyed or taken over, they’d expelled over 750k Palestinians. Literally pushed into the sea in some cases. 80% of Gaza are descendants of refugees expelled and dispossessed by Israel.

It’s amazing how people can have no shame whatsoever saying the most preposterous things, as if Israel is just passively killing kids in Gaza. The kids are running up to sniper and pulling the trigger themselves. They volunteer to have a bullet in the head. Sick fucks. Those doing it & just as disgusting are the people repeating this garbage.

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BG: Israel tried repeating the only reason the Palestinian lost the in ' 67 and they lost Gaza and the West Bank is because they preempted an attack against Israel.

Nope.

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BG: And over and over again Israel reached out to them to make peace with them in 2000 Ehud Barack offered them 97% of the territories back and they refused it again and again.

Nope.

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Also, this is interesting (link to document)

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BG: And again in 2005 when Israel withdrew out of Gaza they said okay we're going to give you your own State, we're going to give you your own territory. Israel forcibly removed its own people fighting. The IDF by force removed them out of Gaza - not only remove the people they dug out dead Jews, Bones from the cemeteries because they knew exactly what the Palestinians are going to do to the cemeteries. So in 2005 when Israel withdrew out of Gaza, there wasn't one Jew alive or dead in Gaza.

Interesting. All bullshit but interesting. Gaza was never “given” a state (as if Israel is in charge or “giving” states. Rather, it illegally imposes an occupation and a land, sea and air blockade. That’s not “giving” them their own territory. There was a reason Israel chose to pull their ILLEGAL settlers living on STOLEN land.

If they stayed in Gaza, the 2 million people there would jeopardize a Jewish majority and in typical Israeli mental gymnastics olympics, as long as they could keep a Jewish majority, they could still pretend to be a democracy. They weren’t doing it for altruistic reasons.


The cemeteries comment caught my attention. Imagine making all kinds of claims when the reality is this:

Full report (video) :: here ::

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BG: They turned over the key to them and said okay great, now build your own place you are independent. Israel even left them the green houses. Israel was exporting 50 million flowers to Europe in 2004 out of Gaza. The green houses, the fruits, the vegetables, the flowers.. they left them to the Palestinians so they can have an industry where they can support themselves.

And what did the Palestinians do? Within 24 hours after Israel withdrew, not only they destroyed every single Jewish synagogue in the area they destroyed the green houses, ripped out the pipe and even stole the copper out of the pipe.

Honestly, I’m not even looking up the synagogue claim because I already know it’s going to be some bigoted lie based on every other claim being complete bullshit. But feel free to count how many mosques and churches the Israeli army has bombed, demolished or desecrated in Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem AND in Lebanon.

As for the greenhouses…Israel did not “give them” and reality is much different than the official talking points claim - as is always the case:

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Speaking of greenhouses:

No Traces of Life: Israel's Ecocide in Gaza (ForensicArchitecture)

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BG: And then they had an election so the in their first election the first woman elected to the cabinet of Hamas was a woman by the name Um nidal they called her the mother of the resistance and she ran on the platform I killed three of my sons because she had videos of her sons she dressing them in suicide bomb uh bombers to go kill Israelis she said I already gave up three for the cause I have another seven to give that's why she was elected so that's a democratic election for Hamas.

So I don’t know what she’s saying. There were more than one woman elected in 2006. Yes, she had sons who died but the rest of the story is pretty typical of the virulent islamophobic propaganda that Gabriel & her organization love to manufacture. Honestly, I don’t gaf and I don’t see how it’s even relevant. You don’t think I can find Israeli mothers with multiple deceased children who were killed in the army? The only thing this comment does is demonstrate how bigoted she and others like her are because they give themselves away with this kind of frame. It’s pathetic.

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BG: Gaza could have been turned into Singapore. They had the money, they had more money pouring into the Palestinian territories and still do from all over the world and what did they do with it? They build a tunnel infrastructure underneath, bigger than the subway system in New York instead of helping their people…

Blah blah blah
Blockade = no economy.
Periodic attacks, destroying homes, infrastructure, hospitals, schools… and then what makes it hard to even rebuild? BLOCKADE.

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Israel had no intention on having Gaza "turned into Singapore". Maybe you've heard of the "Gaza diet"?

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BG: So those who scream about the occupation. The Palestinians have brought this on themselves again and again and again.

Is she saying the Israelis brought Oct 7th and any past attack on themselves? Sure sounds like it. That’s her argument, not mine.

Are you saying you agree with this?

Overall: 1/10
Brigitte Gabriel is repeating bs.

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[Anna Bijou]

Canada is becoming rotten like many european countries
Whether you like it or not it’s obvious and it’s growing
I don’t know how this can be fixes
Stupid trudeau thought that our tolerance can be appreciated and our culture can be embraced by showing tolerance and opening our arms but it is the opposite that is happening. They laugh at us and abuse our kindness

Yes, you sound a lot like the crowd of racists Europeans. It's the low hanging fruit. And I'm not sure what this has to do with the depravity in Gaza.

Are you indigenous? If you're not you're an immigrant.


BTW, no the current state of things can't be fixed but it isn't about immigration.

 

[poupsy]

ugh.

I'm going to first say that this mind blowing ignorance and bigotry, especially at this very moment, are truly hideous.
I need to point out that all of this is completely irrelevant to what is going on. It's a discussion that is only a deflection from the priority, which is the abomination that has been relentless for 21 months, more of the stupid talking points

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About Gabriel (what a shocker: she's a grifter and a professional bigot):

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Oh, please. Give me a break. This is, of course, one of the endlessly recycled typical talking point that some people just repeat over and over.

Facts: Israel removed its own illegal squatters from stolen land that they have illegally occupied since 1967. Not to mention most in Gaza were already refugees who were ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948 and illegally prevented from returning to their homes in violation of their legally recognized right of return.

I've discussed on the Iran thread but the zionist terrorists destroyed over 400 Palestinian villages and towns, in many places they committed massacres, or they simply moved right into their homes, looted every last thing from homes, from their businesses, as if they were entitled to it. They stole archives, entire libraries, they stole the money from their bank accounts. Everything.


Facts - And these aren't my feelings or my opinion, this is straight from the ICJ’s advisory opinion from July 2024:
Gaza has remained illegally occupied, even after 2006.


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Let me just drop this here. You would think Israel would have accepted that offer... If they actually did want peace and 2 separate states (which is not just obvious based on their actions but is what they have said repeatedly and for decades that they do not).. From 2006:


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I’m not sure what the relevance is… who cares. Also, here we have the usual “every accusation is a confession” that is practically always behind such claims. What do you think Israel’s been doing to the Palestinians since before they were even a country? They started ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 1947 and by 1949, after some 30+ massacres, 400+ villages destroyed or taken over, they’d expelled over 750k Palestinians. Literally pushed into the sea in some cases. 80% of Gaza are descendants of refugees expelled and dispossessed by Israel.

It’s amazing how people can have no shame whatsoever saying the most preposterous things, as if Israel is just passively killing kids in Gaza. The kids are running up to sniper and pulling the trigger themselves. They volunteer to have a bullet in the head. Sick fucks. Those doing it & just as disgusting are the people repeating this garbage.

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Also, this is interesting (link to document)

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Interesting. All bullshit but interesting. Gaza was never “given” a state (as if Israel is in charge or “giving” states. Rather, it illegally imposes an occupation and a land, sea and air blockade. That’s not “giving” them their own territory. There was a reason Israel chose to pull their ILLEGAL settlers living on STOLEN land.

If they stayed in Gaza, the 2 million people there would jeopardize a Jewish majority and in typical Israeli mental gymnastics olympics, as long as they could keep a Jewish majority, they could still pretend to be a democracy. They weren’t doing it for altruistic reasons.


The cemeteries comment caught my attention. Imagine making all kinds of claims when the reality is this:

Full report (video) :: here ::


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Honestly, I’m not even looking up the synagogue claim because I already know it’s going to be some bigoted lie based on every other claim being complete bullshit. But feel free to count how many mosques and churches the Israeli army has bombed, demolished or desecrated in Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem AND in Lebanon.

As for the greenhouses…Israel did not “give them” and reality is much different than the official talking points claim - as is always the case:

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Speaking of greenhouses:

No Traces of Life: Israel's Ecocide in Gaza (ForensicArchitecture)

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So I don’t know what she’s saying. There were more than one woman elected in 2006. Yes, she had sons who died but the rest of the story is pretty typical of the virulent islamophobic propaganda that Gabriel & her organization love to manufacture. Honestly, I don’t gaf and I don’t see how it’s even relevant. You don’t think I can find Israeli mothers with multiple deceased children who were killed in the army? The only thing this comment does is demonstrate how bigoted she and others like her are because they give themselves away with this kind of frame. It’s pathetic.

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Blah blah blah
Blockade = no economy.
Periodic attacks, destroying homes, infrastructure, hospitals, schools… and then what makes it hard to even rebuild? BLOCKADE.

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Israel had no intention on having Gaza "turned into Singapore". Maybe you've heard of the "Gaza diet"?

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Is she saying the Israelis brought Oct 7th and any past attack on themselves? Sure sounds like it. That’s her argument, not mine.

Are you saying you agree with this?

Overall: 1/10
Brigitte Gabriel is repeating bs.

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I just hopped you could use this same energy to describe the wrongdoings of hamas as well
There’s no moral equivalence in any case in what hamas iran hezbollah houtis are pledging to do the israelis to what israel is doing to them !!
Some moral honesty is clearly lacking on the
Propali terrorists supporters

 

[Halloween Mike]

@Anna Bijou

It is clear to me you are misinformed or simply chose to refute facts. Do you know that when Israel was reformed, there was a war? Not started by Israel, but by Arab Nations who didn't accepted the partition. They encouraged "Palestinians" to leave during the war, thinking they would win. They didn't. Like any lost war, the winner gain territories. This territory was never an actual country, it was always under ruling, be it the Ottoman, the Brits etc. So this whole claim that "Palestine want a state" always felt weird to me. I would sugest you go watch some videos on youtube about Arab Israelis who are more than happy to be so and would never want to live in "Palestine".

Then the funniest part of your post is that you deny Israel claim to their ancestral land, but then you proceed to say we are "immigrants" in Canada. May i remind you its our ancestors, the French, who built this country...

You seem to forget that during history every single land, country, empire, was involved in wars and territories was conquered. Could we do better in modern times? Yes. And i think in Canada we try to do so.

Now when it comes to Israel, that is a very complicated situation. They are the ONLY Jewish country in the world (how many Arab/Muslim nations are they again? And they cry about a tiny piece of land) and their neighbors want their destruction.

I don't know where that hate for Israel come from, and why you so openly support peoples that have shown to be barbaric and would had done far worst if they had the means. If Gaza had the means that Israel have, that would be an actual true genocide ...OF THE JEWS.

Gaza as a country is not even realistic. Its too small, it always relied on international aid, seriously they could never be self sufficient. But lets pretend they could... fine. Then for that to happen, they need to be deradicalized. A whole generation has grew up under Hamas terrorist propaganda... Conditioned since birth to hate the Jews. That won't be fixed in a few days. The simple fact that Hamas refuse to surrender still show how embled in hate they are.