I am not pessimistic about the technology, I am about the government. I do not trust them and they got a hidden agenda for sure. As you said many times government should not be controlling the vaccines yet this is exactly what they are doing. Sure getting the shots is not a big deal but forcing it and using the media to advertise 24/7 repeating doomsday messages to remind that covid is out to get them to keep the public under constant fear is a big deal. And I agree for the FDA, another useless agency that creates a lot of red tape and delays and increases costs for drugs to be approved. Still Dapoxetine has not been approved by the FDA and it has been available for years yet in Europe.I am not sure I would be that pessimistic. We now have a three shot vaccine for HPV cancer. Granted that is different than the RNA technology. But RNA based techniques have been touted as a potential cure for many life threatening things, including some cancers. Covid forced the government to allow this RNA based vaccine to be allowed on the entire populace instead of a sample of .0000000000000001 percent of the population.
Messenger RNA Vaccines: Beckoning of a New Era in Cancer Immunotherapy | CancerNetwork
A review of mRNA vaccine technology by ONCOLOGY® editorial board member Mehmet Sitki Copur, MD, FACP, explains the basis for progress in this field and reviews a number of new trials using this technology.www.cancernetwork.com
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-blog/2021/june/how-mrna-vaccines-help-fight-cancer-tumors-too
Getting shots is no big deal as far as I am concerned. People get flu shots every year and Fido gets a rabies shot annually (although I think there may be a longer rabies shot available now). Like you, I don’t like the government telling me what I have to do, but I like it less when it tells me I can’t do what I want to do. The time it takes to get a drug or treatment to market is ridiculous, and the sample sizes fir experiments are way too small. It benefits the FDA to study something for 10-20 years in progressively larger studies. The FDA workers get paid the whole damn time.
No group has been more worthless throughout the process than the U.S. FDA. Even Fauci gave up on them. Maybe Covid will change things.
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Yeah yellow fever vaxx is the worst I've ever had. So far I had to go through it twice in my life and its the only time I've been so aprehensive towatd getting a vaccine. Even if it is a lifetime protection, if you travel to places with high outbreaks and your initial shot is over 10 years old it is recommende to get another boost.
It's not going to be every year. You will need to booster up every 3-6 months to maintain protection. A buddy of mine has really bad Covid now because his protection waned between the first two Pfizer shots and the booster, which he didn't have before getting infected.
So this notion that a booster will be needed every year is a big lie that you and the rest of the public are believing because you want to believe it and the government wants you to believe it. The reality is your protection will slowly wane after 3 months and as it does, you will be increasingly exposed to more virulent Covid. Your best course of action during that time will be, don't get infected. Most people do not want to hear this but it's the ugly truth.
And just note that even the top experts don't really know how long the protection will last. They likely suspect it's a shorter period of time but the governments have told them STFU on this and has attempted to quell any panic. And you have all believed this stuff they are putting out.
Based on which research? What are your sources? Sounds like you have access to intel that nobody else in the world have, because the general world wide specialists are still going from surprise to more surprises in their observations regarding this virus.
From what I am reading, they have a measure of how much a vaccine declines over time but it's a "test tube value". Useful but does not give the complete picture. There are elements of vaccine longevity that are impacted by other mechanisms they can't measure.
So they go to studies in the general population but these are tainted by varying sanitary measures and other external factors. Age also plays a big role.
We will learn more with time but we have to appreciate what we do have today.
And thank the people that are doing super human efforts to move the science forward.
See Patron's post above. Immunity wanes in relatively short intervals. Believing it doesn't is plain old wishful thinking. Wishful thinking isn't going to keep you alive, although it may help calm your nerves.
His post is not bringing any factual, scientic statement to what you claimed in your post.
So the governments make "factual" statements and we are supposed to believe them? I am not a sheep. I feel exactly the same way as Patron. His statements are as factual and scientific as anything I have heard come out of Biden's mouth.
I am not even close to any medical field or biology but found explanation in some popular paper plausible. It explained that immunity roughly consists of two parts : one is specific and reacts to a certain type of proteins that are characteristic to a particular virus, and one is unspecific broad type. The first can be provided by vaccination and can protect you from getting virus and hospitalization but reduces with time fast and becomes useless when virus accumulates some critical number of mutations. The unspecific one is not good for the protection against infection but prevents the very bad outcome. We all have unspecific immunity against corona viruses that cause common cold. It develops and is boosted constantly when you have colds from time to time. They predict that eventually people will develop unspecific immunity and the COVID will become part of the common cold. How long it takes is a 1M dollar question.
See but on that theory unless you are exposed and (while possibly symptomless) building up immunity or antibodies, your immunity is shrinking rapidly. To where you need to be boostered frequently. And unless you are a know it all who knows whether you have been exposed and building up such immunity, you must presume you are not. And this goes back to my earlier point. If you haven't had or been exposed to Covid, the protection from the initial 2 doses will diminish rapidly and only frequent boosters will thwart a potentially bad case of Covid. It's amazing to me that a lot of people here do not understand this and listen like sheep to the pseudo scientific babble of their local politicians.
So what? Just take the damn shot. If that's what it takes.
Still better than 0 protection. See latest CDC stats below:
Also, according to a study done by Discovery South Africa, based on a study of 211,000 COVID test results, 2 doses provide 70% protection against severe hospitalization:
Johns Hopkins University of medicine Dec 22.
China cases past week 666
China deaths 0
WTF
If this was fake data from China would Johns Hopkins publish it?
If fake they would just print N/A (not available)
Is 666 cases code for "It's on motherF*ckers!!"
My instinct regrets taking that RNA vax.
Double RNA vaxxed people in my circle including doctors in the family are getting sick with positive covid tests.
Average 6-8 months after first RNA vax.
I guess I'm getting sick by spring 2022. F
Bets are on we got the rigged vax.
Sinovac is the whole virus inactivated-virus COVID-19 vaccine.
Since most crap comes from China why did we not get the whole virus vax also? Selective bio Warfare? F
Immune system global segregation?
China cases past week 666
China deaths 0
WTF
If this was fake data from China would Johns Hopkins publish it?
If fake they would just print N/A (not available)
Is 666 cases code for "It's on motherF*ckers!!"
My instinct regrets taking that RNA vax.
Double RNA vaxxed people in my circle including doctors in the family are getting sick with positive covid tests.
Average 6-8 months after first RNA vax.
I guess I'm getting sick by spring 2022. F
Bets are on we got the rigged vax.
Sinovac is the whole virus inactivated-virus COVID-19 vaccine.
Since most crap comes from China why did we not get the whole virus vax also? Selective bio Warfare? F
Immune system global segregation?
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You wonder if in a decade or so National Geographic will publish an article:
"Covid vaccines enhance spread of deadlier human covid viruses"??
Take note in the read most historical successful vaccines block transmission
Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruseshttps://www.nationalgeographic.com › science › article
Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission ... - NCBIhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC4516275
Corporate medicine has turned our society into a giant experiment.
I posted the articles before but now they may be more relevant. F
"Covid vaccines enhance spread of deadlier human covid viruses"??
Take note in the read most historical successful vaccines block transmission
Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruseshttps://www.nationalgeographic.com › science › article
Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission ... - NCBIhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC4516275
Corporate medicine has turned our society into a giant experiment.
I posted the articles before but now they may be more relevant. F
If the Omicron is the sign on a wall, it will be almost impossible to come up with specific boosters targeting unpredictable mutations and different strands. We have this situation with the flu. Why corona viruses are better? Predicted low rates of mutation should be thrown now out of widow with the appearance of Omicron. So, the boosters that works only with slow mutating viruses are not a good answer for the future.
Ontario: double shot protection against hospitalization still holding up, although not against infection
Source: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/#riskbyvaccinationstatus
Source: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/#riskbyvaccinationstatus
Cool news from Russia!
New treatment called "Peace-19"
New Russian aerosol drug fights all Covid strains, including Omicron – developer
What stood out in the article is the statement:
"All this is said to be achieved without interfering with a person’s genome or immunity, according to the head of the Russian Federal Medical and Biological Agency"
So does this indirectly mean covid vaccines interfere with our genomes and immune system?
Too much "Science" too fast. We all just caged lab rats this winter.
New treatment called "Peace-19"
New Russian aerosol drug fights all Covid strains, including Omicron – developer
What stood out in the article is the statement:
"All this is said to be achieved without interfering with a person’s genome or immunity, according to the head of the Russian Federal Medical and Biological Agency"
So does this indirectly mean covid vaccines interfere with our genomes and immune system?
Too much "Science" too fast. We all just caged lab rats this winter.
Not everyone will agree but who knows. Sure looks like it now.
The new model hospital for anti-vaxxers - if the livestock medication doesn't work then a quick way out:
