Hamas & Israel

[Mandouke]

Unfortunately many Muslims from the Middle East don't leave their hatred of Jews behind when they come to a place like Montreal. Montreal used to be a safe, welcoming place for Jews. Now I think a lot of them have left for either Israel or the U.S.

It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

You are right, it is not taking Montreal long to descend into the shithole that many other places have become, look at Paris and London.

 

[poupsy]

It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

You are right, it is not taking Montreal long to descend into the shithole that many other places have become, look at Paris and London

So what’s the solution?
Stop immigration? Let go some of our liberties ???

 

[EagerBeaver]

It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

I have a client who is a Minister of a Christian Faith. Although originally from an African nation that has both Christian and Muslim populations, he immigrated to the USA as a young man, and received his PhD in theology and divinity studies here.

He strongly believes that Islam is not a legitimate religion, but a well organized cult which fosters hatred of other religions and manipulates the political infrastructure of host nations to oppress and subjugate swaths of the population in a divisive manner. Divide and conquer based on an us vs. them type mentality.

However that doesn't fly in the USA and Canada due to separation of Church and state. Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.

Some small minded people have accused Israel of not separating Church and State due to the influence of the extreme orthodox right on the government, but I don't really believe that. There are a significant number of Israeli Arabs, who are all Muslims, in the Knesset. They don't chant the "Death to Israel" bullshit you hear elsewhere in the Arab world and are Israelis first and Muslims second.

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

 

[minutemenX]

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

Emigration from Arab countries is the most affected by religious extremism despite of the formal separation between religion and state in some Arab countries. In contrast, the Iranian emigration is either secular or is very tolerant both in the US and Canada despite of the extremist religious state at home. It shows that not only religion but also the traditional tribalism (“us” versus” them’) and culture plays a significant role.

 

[Mandouke]

I have a client who is a Minister of a Christian Faith. Although originally from an African nation that has both Christian and Muslim populations, he immigrated to the USA as a young man, and received his PhD in theology and divinity studies here.

He strongly believes that Islam is not a legitimate religion, but a well organized cult which fosters hatred of other religions and manipulates the political infrastructure of host nations to oppress and subjugate swaths of the population in a divisive manner. Divide and conquer based on an us vs. them type mentality.

However that doesn't fly in the USA and Canada due to separation of Church and state. Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.

Some small minded people have accused Israel of not separating Church and State due to the influence of the extreme orthodox right on the government, but I don't really believe that. There are a significant number of Israeli Arabs, who are all Muslims, in the Knesset. They don't chant the "Death to Israel" bullshit you hear elsewhere in the Arab world and are Israelis first and Muslims second.

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

Both the Koran and history prove this to be true. Wherever Islam is or has been, death and destruction follow when the numbers are right.

In terms of the Arab Israeli's their numbers are not sufficient; when they are, the problems will start.

The Minister of Christian Faith is correct.

 

[poupsy]

Emigration from Arab countries is the most affected by religious extremism despite of the formal separation between religion and state in some Arab countries. In contrast, the Iranian emigration is either secular or is very tolerant both in the US and Canada despite of the extremist religious state at home. It shows that not only religion but also the traditional tribalism (“us” versus” them’) and culture plays a significant role.

There are 2 type of iranians in canada ( according to an iranian refugee I met in California recently )
The ones that identifies as persians and hate the regime and the pro-regimes chiites that we saw parading downtown screaming in all black burkas and outfits a few weeks ago
Apparently it is known among iranian diaspora that canada hosts a lot of those extremists pro regimes. Apparently they receive financing from the ayatollahs to promote their agenda

 

[EagerBeaver]

I don't know if any of you are familiar with rising Israeli comedian Yohay Sponder but he spoofs many of the issues under discussion here in his comedy routine:

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[Halloween Mike]

So what’s the solution?
Stop immigration? Let go some of our liberties ???

We can be picky on who we let in. Just saying...