Euphoria agency in the news

kkrack said:

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voici quelques faits.
Après ça serait quoi l'idée de faire un reportage sur la proportion qui "va bien"?
Par exemple quand on crie au feminicide on parle pas de la plupart de femmes qui n'ont pas été victimes de feminicide on parle de la minorité.

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Tu ne penses pas que c'est nécessaire de parler de féminicides qui sont à la hausse et de se demander pourquoi? Même chose pour la violence conjugale, etc. Si il y a une tendence, ça veut dire qu'il y a un problème de société qui doit être réglé. Et sans le vouloir tu mets le doigt sur quelque chose d'important. C'est pas l'industrie en tant que tel le problème, c'est les lois, les valeurs de la société qui changent de façon négative, certaines dynamiques qui blessent les femmes, etc. Ça affecte directement l'industrie parce que nos clients sont des hommes, nous sommes des femmes, et c'est un contexte intime. En traitant les femmes qui ont été victime de violence, d'exploitation ou de traffic humain de menteuses et en les envoyant chier, on ne règle pas le problème non plus.

La violence n'est pas ''normale'' mais il faut vraiment se mettre la tête dans le sable pour croire qu'il n'y en a pas dans cette industrie. Même une personne qui aime faire ce métier peut avoir déjà vécu de la violence, ou peut ne pas aimer certains aspects du travail, ou ne pas vouloir travailler pour une agence ou un salon pour certaines raisons. La stigmatisation ne s'en va pas quand quelqu'un fait un portrait idyllique du métier, on va comprendre qu'elle est un cas exceptionnel. Il y a déjà une mauvaise images des femmes qui ont une sexualité active en société. J'ai souvent l'impression que même beaucoup de clients n'ont pas une très bonne opinion de nous.

Pour notre branding c'est pas idéal d'apporter des côtés négatifs. À chaque fois qu'on critique l'industrie, on risque de perdre des clients ou de la crédibilité. On peut perdre notre emploi. C'est une business après tout.. C'est difficile d'obtenir des témoignages nuancés pour ces journalistes, surtout par des personnes qui travaillent encore.

The most effective and ruthless law enforcement will go after them: the language police. Their default start page is English!

Joking aside, it’s not surprising the agency targeted was Euphoria and the media was able to find disgruntled employees. They have been rude to clients and I’ve heard they’ve been rude to their employees. They are willing to fire them if they refuse to see certain clients which is counter to the entire safety benefit of an agency. It’s also telling that they are so quick and easy to fire clients if they are late or miss an appointment but not when they are reported for bad behavior or one of their employees want to ban a client.

It wouldn’t be too difficult to have an anonymized uber style rider profile where their employees can decline, for example, any client with a sub 4.5 star client.

Did anyone not notice that merb was in this article. Perhaps not in name but it’s suggested that it’s promoting the industry and also is abusive in allowing clients to review providers.

Hmmm… said:

The most effective and ruthless law enforcement will go after them: the language police. Their default start page is English!

Joking aside, it’s not surprising the agency targeted was Euphoria and the media was able to find disgruntled employees. They have been rude to clients and I’ve heard they’ve been rude to their employees. They are willing to fire them if they refuse to see certain clients which is counter to the entire safety benefit of an agency. It’s also telling that they are so quick and easy to fire clients if they are late or miss an appointment but not when they are reported for bad behavior or one of their employees want to ban a client.

It wouldn’t be too difficult to have an anonymized uber style rider profile where their employees can decline, for example, any client with a sub 4.5 star client.

Did anyone not notice that merb was in this article. Perhaps not in name but it’s suggested that it’s promoting the industry and also is abusive in allowing clients to review providers.

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The journalist who is mentioned in the article is probably the same one who was seeking interviews with providers last spring, here on the board. Yes the board promotes the industry and it makes sense for journalists who end up researching this topic to fall on Merb.. It's not hard to find, and probably multiple girls complained about it, because agencies advertise here and the vast majority of reviews are about people who work for agencies.

There’s something salacious about suggesting only the rich and powerful use these services and then specifically stating the cost is $280. It’s almost like advertising. It’s like an underground method to get Michelin star tasting menus or 5 star hotels for surprisingly cheap.

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There’s something salacious about suggesting only the rich and powerful use these services and then specifically stating the cost is $280. It’s almost like advertising. It’s like an underground method to get Michelin star tasting menus or 5 star hotels for surprisingly cheap.

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Yes that also bothered me about the way this is portrayed.

But I do think that in order to be able to regularly afford escort services, you have to be well off financially to a certain degree. I do think there are wealthy people who use agencies because it's easier to use your power in a context like this where there is an employer who wants your money.. it's consumer habits. I think some men like the agency model because they can see multiple girls due to the low cost and still get a ''premium service'' (full GFE).

Let's not forget also that for the average person, 280$ is a lot of money. There is a value to this type of service, but for someone who doesn't understand that and isn't familiar with the industry, that may not be so obvious. A 280$ meal at the restaurant is expensive.

J'ai bien peur qu'il y est beaucoup de chaleur autour d'Euphoria prochainement, sans oublier qu'on voit bien la batisse où il reçoive, pas mal sur qu'il va y avoir beaucoup de plaintes des résidents, ils vont avoir de la difficulté a demeurer là, beaucoup de problemes a venir.
Et beaucoup de gens lisent ce qui est écrit sur Merb...

Lunaseraphim said:

Tu ne penses pas que c'est nécessaire de parler de féminicides qui sont à la hausse et de se demander pourquoi? Même chose pour la violence conjugale, etc. Si il y a une tendence, ça veut dire qu'il y a un problème de société qui doit être réglé. Et sans le vouloir tu mets le doigt sur quelque chose d'important. C'est pas l'industrie en tant que tel le problème, c'est les lois, les valeurs de la société qui changent de façon négative, certaines dynamiques qui blessent les femmes, etc. Ça affecte directement l'industrie parce que nos clients sont des hommes, nous sommes des femmes, et c'est un contexte intime. En traitant les femmes qui ont été victime de violence, d'exploitation ou de traffic humain de menteuses et en les envoyant chier, on ne règle pas le problème non plus.

La violence n'est pas ''normale'' mais il faut vraiment se mettre la tête dans le sable pour croire qu'il n'y en a pas dans cette industrie. Même une personne qui aime faire ce métier peut avoir déjà vécu de la violence, ou peut ne pas aimer certains aspects du travail, ou ne pas vouloir travailler pour une agence ou un salon pour certaines raisons. La stigmatisation ne s'en va pas quand quelqu'un fait un portrait idyllique du métier, on va comprendre qu'elle est un cas exceptionnel. Il y a déjà une mauvaise images des femmes qui ont une sexualité active en société. J'ai souvent l'impression que même beaucoup de clients n'ont pas une très bonne opinion de nous.

Pour notre branding c'est pas idéal d'apporter des côtés négatifs. À chaque fois qu'on critique l'industrie, on risque de perdre des clients ou de la crédibilité. On peut perdre notre emploi. C'est une business après tout.. C'est difficile d'obtenir des témoignages nuancés pour ces journalistes, surtout par des personnes qui travaillent encore.

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À la hausse? Ça dépend de l'année de référence. Depuis 2020, oui.
Depuis 2001 à la baisse.
Avec 150 incidents il en faut dix pour faire monter ou descendre les chiffres.

entre 1974 et 2000 il y a une diminution de 64%.

Ça dépends de l'angle du quel tu le voix. Idéalement, il en faudrait aucun. Comme je dis, quand on voit un problème on en parle et on l'explicite.

I can’t feel sorry for an agency that specifies a minimum of 3 clients per day.
A pimp is a pimp period.

They are not there to make a nice working environment for these ladies but to make money and basically don’t give a shit about them just like XO didn’t.
Why people here keep sticking up for these glorified perhaps slightly kinder pimps I will never understand, except maybe that they can get a service for a much cheaper price than seeing a legit independent.

kkrack said:

À la hausse? Ça dépend de l'année de référence. Depuis 2020, oui.
Depuis 2001 à la baisse.
Avec 150 incidents il en faut dix pour faire monter ou descendre les chiffres.

entre 1974 et 2000 il y a une diminution de 64%.

Ça dépends de l'angle du quel tu le voix. Idéalement, il en faudrait aucun. Comme je dis, quand on voit un problème on en parle et on l'explicite.

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Oui en général il y a eu une diminution, mais en ce moment on a un problème avec un retour de la violence, discours haineux, etc. Je parlais d'une hausse récente. Je ne comprends pas tellement ou tu veux t'en aller avec ça. C'est toi qui a parlé de feminicides.

Quand on parle de violence dans l'industrie on ne parle pas de meurtres en général.. c'est souvent beaucoup plus subtil et insidieux. Il y a des niveaux de gravité différents aussi. Dépendamment à qui tu parles certaines choses ne sont pas graves, on a des niveaux de tolérance différents.

La semaine dernière je me suis fait tirer les cheveux et donner une claque en pleine face par un client. Pas une claque énorme mais quand même, ça m'a laissée sous le choc. Pour lui c'était sûrement pas problématique, mais je n'ai pas aimé ça ni consenti. Ce n'est plus quelque chose qui m'arrive de manière régulière et maintenant je suis capable de dire à la personne d'arrêter et de me faire respecter. Au final je n'ai pas vécu ça comme quelque chose de très grave. Mais des petits trucs comme ça, they can add up.

En indy, si j'ai une bonne réputation et un bon entourage, je peux faire un screening et parler au client avant pour voir si c'est un bon match. En salon je suis accompagnée par plusieurs personnes et je peux sortir de la salle si ça ne se passe pas bien. Les agences semblent être bien organisées mais la personne qui y travaille n'a pas ces avantages. Of course le booker ne va pas continuer à accepter un client carrément dangereux mais ça ne veut pas dire qu'il ne peut rien arriver et que certains clients ne sont pas connus pour dépasser les limites...

Ce qui est un peu dérangeant ici c'est que la façon dont cette information est présentée laisse croire que les travailleuses subissent des supplices inimaginables alors que probablement en général les gestes de violence sont beaucoup plus ''ordinaires'' que ça : gestes non consensuels, retrait du condom, dénigrements, pression, attitude désagréable..

La coercition aussi réside dans le fait que certains services soient plus ou moins imposés aux travailleuses, ou constamment demandés par les clients. Ça diminue la qualité du consentement de la personne, même si en tant que travailleuse du sexe, tu comprends que tu devra te plier aux demandes du marché jusqu'à un certain point. Ces demandes sont exprimées par les clients directement à nous, ou sur des forums comme Merb.

i just listened to the radio with the journalist from the same interviewer who interviewed Clémentine (Marie-Eve Tremblay).
Painful to listen to because of some falsities (like Euphoria never bans clients) and stereotypes.

My feeling is this is a journalist that just wants to get attention (which he succeeded)

Fradi said:

I can’t feel sorry for an agency that specifies a minimum of 3 clients per day.
A pimp is a pimp period.

They are not there to make a nice working environment for these ladies but to make money and basically don’t give a shit about them just like XO didn’t.
Why people here keep sticking up for these glorified perhaps slightly kinder pimps I will never understand, except maybe that they can get a service for a much cheaper price than seeing a legit independent.

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No one forces them to sign up.

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i just listened to the radio with the journalist from the same interviewer who interviewed Clémentine (Marie-Eve Petterson).
Painful to listen to because of some falsities (like Euphoria never bans clients) and stereotypes.

My feeling is this is a journalist that just wants to get attention (which he succeeded)

Une incursion dans les agences d’escortes de luxe | «Jusqu'où les gens sont prêts à aller pour assouvir leurs désirs» -Romain Schué

Écoutez Romain Schué, journaliste de l émission Enquête, raconter les détails, jeudi au micro de Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca

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J'ai aussi écouté l'entrevue a la radio, gros sensationnalisme, généralité exagéré, le journaliste semble ne pas connaitre grand chose de ce milieu.

Lunaseraphim said:

Yes that also bothered me about the way this is portrayed.

But I do think that in order to be able to regularly afford escort services, you have to be well off financially to a certain degree. I do think there are wealthy people who use agencies because it's easier to use your power in a context like this where there is an employer who wants your money.. it's consumer habits. I think some men like the agency model because they can see multiple girls due to the low cost and still get a ''premium service'' (full GFE).

Let's not forget also that for the average person, 280$ is a lot of money. There is a value to this type of service, but for someone who doesn't understand that and isn't familiar with the industry, that may not be so obvious. A 280$ meal at the restaurant is expensive.

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You have to approach this from the perspective of the customer. If you are a late 50 or 60 year old man, there is no organic way to date and sleep with someone in their twenties. Even if you do, you risk high level of societal ostracization. So the risk premium would be a lot higher than $280. Even if the ages or level of attractiveness matches, how many dates could it take at say $50-$100 per date before you get the gfe?

I would disagree that the agency model is preferred due to cost and services provided. There are other markets that unlike Montreal where the cost is similar or even higher. The benefit is still the low friction to purchase services. Because you have a dedicated booker, your text messages get a response within 5 minutes not 24 hrs. The photos are relatively accurate, and you don’t risk being robbed, drugged or attacked by a “boyfriend” hidden in the bathroom. And through economics of scale, once you become a client you do not have to screen for every new provider at the agency.

And from what I understand as a provider, agencies remove the largest issue which is screening through time wasters and finding clients. There’s a level of secure and reliable income while being at an agency.

This entire issue of scheduling pressure appears to be an issue of the current agency business model where they are only paid when there is a paying client. So there is an incentive to maximize bookings to cover the fixed costs of condo rentals/advertising/support staff etc.

And yes, this article makes it sound that every provider is being forced to see 5-10 clients a day and forced to endure violence and non consenting acts that are extreme by every client.

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You have to approach this from the perspective of the customer. If you are a late 50 or 60 year old man, there is no organic way to date and sleep with someone in their twenties. Even if you do, you risk high level of societal ostracization. So the risk premium would be a lot higher than $280. Even if the ages or level of attractiveness matches, how many dates could it take at say $50-$100 per date before you get the gfe?

I would disagree that the agency model is preferred due to cost and services provided. There are other markets that unlike Montreal where the cost is similar or even higher. The benefit is still the low friction to purchase services. Because you have a dedicated booker, your text messages get a response within 5 minutes not 24 hrs. The photos are relatively accurate, and you don’t risk being robbed, drugged or attacked by a “boyfriend” hidden in the bathroom. And through economics of scale, once you become a client you do not have to screen for every new provider at the agency.

And from what I understand as a provider, agencies remove the largest issue which is screening through time wasters and finding clients. There’s a level of secure and reliable income while being at an agency.

This entire issue of scheduling pressure appears to be an issue of the current agency business model where they are only paid when there is a paying client. So there is an incentive to maximize bookings to cover the fixed costs of condo rentals/advertising/support staff etc.

And yes, this article makes it sound that every provider is being forced to see 5-10 clients a day and forced to endure violence and non consenting acts that are extreme by every client.

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The article is poorly written like I said, but that doesn't mean there isn't a grain of truth and that people are liars. No matter what you do in this industry, you will at some point experience violence and nonconsensual acts. The problem is that they are making it sound like extreme violence is very common, when it isn't. It's just that a lot of clients, some employers, and even some providers, do not consider certain types of violence a big deal.. and some little things add up over time. I also have heard multiple colleagues tell me that it was common for them to see 5+ clients at agencies.

I think to the general public, it's not really considered a necessity for a late 50's and 60 year old man to ''date and sleep with someone in their twenties''.. It's hard to have sympathy for this as an average person. ''at 60 years old, he needs to find the easiest way to pay a 24 year old to fuck him''.. This is also not necessarily every client's perspective or even the demographic they belong to. This is once again a stereotype, that clients of sex workers are generally older men who are only looking to fuck women in their 20's. One of the stereotypes that we're trying to fight against. It's also not the whole story. Even if a 60 year old is paying a 24 year old for sex, that doesn't mean that's all he was looking for.

The agency model is preferred for many reasons, but I definitely think that cost and services provided influence customers to return to agencies or consider them in the first place. Also, you're agreeing with me that lower cost don't mean that there aren't wealthy men who use agencies, because of their reputation, because they don't want to pay more, due to the convenience, less risks VS using sketchy ad sides etc. Ultimately it's what you prioritize as a client, what you're looking for and what you're willing to do in order to see a sex worker that makes a difference.

All I'm saying is:

It could be way more chill to work for agencies if certain things changed a bit.
I think for a lot of providers it's convenient to work for agencies because they know they will be booked and they don't have to do certain types of work.
If laws and advertising platforms were better, more women could work independently and there would be way less scammers & pimps.

Fradi said:

Why people here keep sticking up for these glorified perhaps slightly kinder pimps I will never understand, except maybe that they can get a service for a much cheaper price than seeing a legit independent.

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I cannot speak for others but the few times I used Merb escorts I used agencies for the no hassle simple easy booking. I can just send a simple text and within minutes I can make a booking. No exchanging email after email, no government IDs, No LinkedIN, no references, and no deposits. To me it is counterproductive that I got to jump hoops to spend my hard earned money. It should not be in fact it should be made easier. There is one Indy I like to book but just exchanging email after email or whatever else required just deters me.

Pour la majorité des gens, quelle que soient les conditions dans lesquelles le travail de sexe se fait, ce sera toujours inacceptable. On ressortira toujours l'exploitation des mineures, qui est évidemment inacceptable, et les clients violents et irrespectueux, tout aussi inacceptable, comme arguments pour l'interdiction totale de toute prostitution. Ca prendrait une vrai enquete objective avec des milliers de participants, escortes et clients, sans préjugés de base, pour pouvoir savoir si c'est un travail respectable ( ce que je crois a 100% ) ou non. Perso, je ne vois a peu pres plus qu'une seule escorte depuis quelques années, a peu pres une fois par mois, et je la considere comme une amie meme si nos liens sont strictement d affaire. En quoi nos rapports devraient-ils avoir quoi que ce soit a voir avec qui que ce soit?

Fradi said:

I can’t feel sorry for an agency that specifies a minimum of 3 clients per day.
A pimp is a pimp period.

They are not there to make a nice working environment for these ladies but to make money and basically don’t give a shit about them just like XO didn’t.
Why people here keep sticking up for these glorified perhaps slightly kinder pimps I will never understand, except maybe that they can get a service for a much cheaper price than seeing a legit independent.

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why because its the cheapest way and only way for them to release. Its sad honestly. And like you said they are all pimps in the end .

We had a discussion bout this in another thread about certain names etc . Its always like this . Girls miss a day and they stressed to the the T that they will loose their job . Then you have guys here talking about these women like “ i daty her dfk galore dato her too was amazingggg. mpos squirt i think enjoying orgasm etc etc ” its insane . Anyways eventually everything come to the light
To the forefront lol

What's up with Radio Canada including an unblurred screenshot of part of the Euphoria models page in the article? Doesn't seem like responsible journalism to me.

The article itself seemed very sensationalistic and an amalgamation of bad experiences not limited to Euphoria. Parts of it were kind of surreal, like seeing extras described at some nightmarish horror inflicted on the SPs.

I guess time will tell if the police will be spurred to action due to the publicity. It sounded like the vice cop they quoted had higher priority enforcement actions to pursue, but public pressure could change that.

je me pogne avec une swerf sur reddit par rapport à ça, le monde me désespère

Lunaseraphim said:

La semaine dernière je me suis fait tirer les cheveux et donner une claque en pleine face par un client. Pas une claque énorme mais quand même, ça m'a laissée sous le choc. Pour lui c'était sûrement pas problématique, mais je n'ai pas aimé ça ni consenti. Ce n'est plus quelque chose qui m'arrive de manière régulière et maintenant je suis capable de dire à la personne d'arrêter et de me faire respecter. Au final je n'ai pas vécu ça comme quelque chose de très grave. Mais des petits trucs comme ça, they can add up.

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I’m sorry things like this has happened to you, too. It’s not that difficult to ask for consent or limits. You wouldn’t expect this behavior as a chiropractor, a personal trainer or even a boxing sparring partner.