Cash is King. Another reason added to the list for opposing the replacement of physical cash with all-digital central currency.
If an agency gets busted...
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I don’t blame any escort for not paying taxes or the bare minimum.
The government is the only act in town that fucks more people than any escort ever will.
I assume yes on reportable/traceable income, but no on cash income. Not the case?
Come on.. nobody is going after clients. It's just not something anybody has shared here at all
I have looked into this. But this is not in Montreal.
Maybe it's anecdotal, but one person told me he had a friend who got arrested in those areas. And you know what? The undercover cop said "actually I'm 17 years old" and he still went.
I'm not trying to downplay the risks, but I think there are ways to protect yourself from it. From what I've heard the way they do this is that they make fake ads on leolist and such, as you're mentioning.. that wouldn't happen with agencies, MPs and reputable indies.
But the thing is that in this guy's case, the cop advertised herself as an adult. What people don't understand is that really often underage girls are advertised as adults by pimps. There is a false belief in Quebec that most girls enter the industry as children literally and therefore most escorts would be underage which is false. In the case I'm describing the escort was not advertised as underage... But the cop told the guy "I'm 17" right before he showed up to the motel. This is literally the only story like this I've ever heard.
Society is already highly judgemental about this profession. Every year there is a campaign against sex work. There has already been a ton of discourse that conflated sex trafficking and sex work. It's nothing new.
However the positive thing is that many people in the industry and many organizations are advocating for decriminalization. A lot of orgs that were initially for the Nordic model are changing their minds lately because they see that it's not working to protect us.
I think it's pointless to create fear until something like this actually happens. The police doesn't have the resources to conduct massive operations like this. Even in places like Longueil and Sherbrooke. Yes I know this has happened but aside from this anecdote I haven't heard anybody tell me they actually knew of a client of theirs who was arrested.
Btw fake or sketchy ads on leolist that are easy to spot, either made by police officers and pimps, are not targeting the typical clients of "major independent SP" in my humble opinion. If you're a smart client it's pretty easy to avoid this.
Luna,
Let's stay away from friends of friends stories which in fact is off topic because this program targets clients seeking adult SP's and your story is about something everyone is against. In Longueuil, they targeted and arrested 242 clients of adult SP's they trapped by posting as Indies since the start of the program. It started in Longueuil about 3 years ago and now its very active in Sherbrooke as well; those are two major cities and the provincial governement is adding funding for 3 more years. It is not anecdotal, it is a major shift in how the Governement manages this industry. Oh and the police chief who launched the progam in Longueuil is now the chief in Montreal. These are all facts you can validate...
I don't know what to tell you. Are you communicating to clients that they should all quit seeing escorts?
That answers most of my concerns even if im mostly drawn towards incalls and MP's but since im in a serious relationship I tend to focus on activities without body fluid exchange since a condom can rip in the middle of action very annoying when it happends !!!!
No, this isn't what drove my answers.. what drove my answers is my personal experience : I've never heard anybody tell me they were arrested, and I've never heard a story about a client being caught in such an operation aside from the one mentioned above. Does this mean it doesn't exist? Nope. But it's not an issue in Montreal at the moment, from what I know. Because we would all be very alarmed if it was.
I'm not personally worried about my business but I think instead of scaring people it's better to give them tools to avoid situations like these. What I find annoying about these conversations is that people seem to forget they have a voice as a citizen, but from what I've noticed, unfortunately, a lot of clients seem uninterested in the political aspects of this.
If sex work was decriminalized, and if clients in general became more interested in listening to us when it comes to which platforms we want to be followed on and where we prefer to advertise, we would probably have far more choices, and clients wouldn't fear getting arrested. There would be far less exploitation as well.
But whenever I have brought up decriminalization on this forum, a lot of users said they would prefer sex work to be legalized, when in fact it's well known that full legalization is harmful for a lot of people in this industry. Or they weren't interested in reading about it at all because "it's too political"...
Aside from that, notice how many people continue using websites like leolist to find "hidden gems" despite the fact that it's full of scams, bait and switch, pimped girls, etc. and perhaps undercover police officers. I know everyone has to start somewhere and there are genuine indy escorts who post on these websites because they don't have other resources, that was me when I started.. but I had to learn how to prove that I'm legit to clients.
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I tend to favor decriminalization over full legalization precisely because if something is fully legalized, the state gets its claws in irrevocably. Because it wants its tax money (officially). This debate was flaring in the old country many years ago and one of the main arguments against legalizing prostitution was "if they can't find work, the state would have to pay them unemployment benefits like for any other worker" (and said state is strapped for cash at the best of times, we don't have a massive welfare state that can afford super-generous social programs). So it's not my intention to get too political up in here, but there exists primarily financial arguments both for and against legalization. I lean towards the decriminalization route instead and can understand your rationale for feeling the same way.
If it was legalized, options for clients would be more limited, and many of us wouldn't be able to practice legally.
In Nevada there are more arrests related to prostitution than anywhere else in the United States. Precisely because the government wants control over what happens. You can't work independently as an escort there, either.
Not everyone can work for a legal brothel. A lot of people don't want it to be official to the government that they do sex work, too. Of course there's the idea that workers could unionize but that's only if they're willing to be escorts on paper and if they can go through the process of being hired at one of these places.. or if they're allowed to, to begin with.
Yeah. It's mostly conservative groups who try to get clients criminalized. Even a lot of organizations that were initially against the decriminalization of sex work are changing their minds because they're seeing that it doesn't work, and many people are working behind the scenes to educate advocates for various causes.
A lot of politicians are just not interested in this subject immediately and they think it's like opening a can of worms. In Quebec there's a lot of misinformation about this industry and many people are not properly informed and push the narrative that most workers began when they were literally kids, lots of misconceptions about clients in general as well..
When in fact decriminalization would actually change the mentality around this and clients & employers who aren't respectful would be held accountable. If we had more legit platforms to advertise it would also be a lot easier for clients to avoid certain traps.
From my observations, the more old-school conservatives want the working girls themselves criminalized, because they see them as sinful and destroying society’s morality by leading men into temptation to commit adultery (the stereotype that johns are largely married men being unfaithful is somewhat common). The small-government conservatives who lean towards libertarianism will oppose such an approach, arguing "look, pornography's been legalized decades ago, you no longer need to buy it in a back alley from a guy working for the mob, keeping prostitution illegal is both hypocritical in that context and ignoring the fact that you will never be able to make it go away via legislation" (similar to how they may not be in favor of drug use but realize that the "war on drugs" has been a massive failure).
Conversely, the ones wishing to see clients criminalized instead are the left-wing, "progressive" types. Who might have a vested interest to oppose heterosexual sex to begin with, it takes all kinds.
I don't know if progressive types want clients criminalized, generally... I've met a lot of people who aren't in the industry and are for decriminalization. but I do think that some people on both conservative and progressive sides are not well informed about the industry at all. It's really unfortunate.
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I’m a realist. I would never under any circumstances suggest either ALL or NONE for anything or anyone.
Even lawyers do “1/2 Cash” for clients’ personal (non deductible) legal payments. “Some” people have cash they probably shouldn’t have and didn’t pay taxes on.
Have even seen this on significant home purchases between a buyer and a seller. The lawyers discretely leave the room as they can’t be a party to that since they’re “officers of the court.”
There are Parking Garages in NYC, where the City charges an 18% tax, that only accept cash. A smart administration would use CCTV or a person with a clicker counting cars going in and out.
Income taxes (federal & local) in NYC & Montreal are about 35% on a USD$100,000 net income or salary.
I don’t work for the IRS or care that much when working people do it to survive.
I have an issue with people earning $100M paying ~6% because they borrow against their assets and paying accountants millions. While it’s a lot of money Bezos pays about 4.5%.
Yeah but that government wasn't truly progressive.. or at least not about everything. There's a lot of hypocrisy there
Harper passed the law because the supreme court "ordered" the government to change sex laws based on a case of a dominatrix out of Toronto. The Harper government was given a "hot potato" by the courts, and they chose the new laws that they chose (the so called "nordic mode" was in vogue at the time).
I have often wondered what the Turdeau liberals would have done if they were given the "hot potato". I give him credit for legalizing cannabis, but not so sure what he would of done with prostitution.
To an extent, I get it, the prosecution of johns is built into the law so law enforcement has a recourse against PDF files who rent underage girls and the pimps who facilitate this. But that's shoddy legislation, they should explicitly codify the exploitation of minors as the offense that is grounds for prosecution, instead of the "one size fits all" approach which also leaves itself open to legal challenges. It's not fucking rocket appliances, Julian. My parents still disapprove of me not passing the bar.
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