If an agency gets busted...

Thor Jr · Aug 3, 2026

eurisko said:
As long as agencies pay their taxes you said ?How's that, what business activity they declare their revenue on ?

Escorting is a business and has been for years. They are employers who supply a date for you, as to attend social functions', such as concerts, parties, charity events and even for just a simple date for you to attend a movie or dinner.

You are paying for a service from these agency's and they give a salary to their employees. The agency pays taxes, and the employees pay taxes.

This is a known business and they are incorporated businesses and yes, they have to pay taxes.

And as far as anything else is concerned, anything that happens on these dates before or after, is considered activities between 2 consenting adults and is not a taxable activity. LOL.

MtlGuyNow · Aug 3, 2026

Thor Jr said:
Escorting is a business and has been for years. They are employers who supply a date for you, as to attend social functions', such as concerts, parties, charity events and even for just a simple date for you to attend a movie or dinner.

You are paying for a service from these agency's and they give a salary to their employees. The agency pays taxes, and the employees pay taxes.

This is a known business and they are incorporated businesses and yes, they have to pay taxes.

And as far as anything else is concerned, anything that happens on these dates before or after, is considered activities between 2 consenting adults and is not a taxable activity. LOL.

It’s an all CASH business for many reasons.

Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson · Aug 3, 2026

MtlGuyNow said:
It’s an all CASH business for many reasons.

Cash is King. Another reason added to the list for opposing the replacement of physical cash with all-digital central currency.

Giselle Montreal · Aug 3, 2026

MtlGuyNow said:
It’s an all CASH business for many reasons.

So? You think not one of us is paying taxes?

Fradi · Aug 3, 2026

Giselle Montreal said:
So? You think not one of us is paying taxes?

I don’t blame any escort for not paying taxes or the bare minimum.
The government is the only act in town that fucks more people than any escort ever will.

skarsga · Aug 3, 2026

Giselle Montreal said:
So? You think not one of us is paying taxes?

I assume yes on reportable/traceable income, but no on cash income. Not the case?

Lunaseraphim · Aug 4, 2026

Come on.. nobody is going after clients. It's just not something anybody has shared here at all

Lunaseraphim · Aug 4, 2026

hobbyvil said:
Luna, facts are facts..

Luna,

I invite you to do a google search with : C3ESSE AND Longueuil AND Sherbrooke and check out CIVAS Montérigie.....

Essentially, they started doing sting operations in Longueuil a few years ago, more recently the city of Sherbrooke followed suit.... They target the regular clients by posting adds online and then once the person shows up to the motel the cops are in the room waiting. They get arrested, processed and if the fit the bill of the program they can join the 'john school" in which they will be reformated bye the governement.... It is a reality and it is happening now. They don't disclose when they start but it ends up in the papers like in Sherbrooke as a judge and a prominent Lawyer got busted. And this is all for sollicitation of adult SW. Will Montreal be the next to join? Keep in mind the SPVM police chief was the chief of Longueuil prior and during the period that the first program was lunched. I would estimate that SPVM is finalizing their plans currently and will be set to deploy by 2027...

Look into it please, I'd be curious to know your perspective on the topic Luna.

I have looked into this. But this is not in Montreal.

Maybe it's anecdotal, but one person told me he had a friend who got arrested in those areas. And you know what? The undercover cop said "actually I'm 17 years old" and he still went.

I'm not trying to downplay the risks, but I think there are ways to protect yourself from it. From what I've heard the way they do this is that they make fake ads on leolist and such, as you're mentioning.. that wouldn't happen with agencies, MPs and reputable indies.

Lunaseraphim · Aug 4, 2026

hobbyvil said:
if you read about the program, it only applies to John's setting meetings with adult SP's.... If its a sting with underage sp then they don't have the opportunity to join the program and its straight to court and jail as it should be. So to be clear, there are massive operations in Longueuil and Sherbrooke targeting clients of adult and major independant SP'S.

It is also not anectodal when 2 major cities implement the program and the Gvt of Qc prolonges the program through 2029, rest assured they will be adding more and more cities. Adding more cities will normalize these actions and change public perception which tolerated this profession for a long time in the province.

I agree that for now, reputable Indies and MP's should be ok. But this is a game changer in the industry, it normalizes prosecuting clients in large volumes. Then, when police goes and closes all agencies and MP'S it will be perceived as normal in society. In the end, if I where an Indy I would worry that this plan will make women in this industry vulnerable to a society that will gradually become more and more judgmental about this profession. I think that is the message Sonya Von Sacher is trying to communicate publicly in fact.

But the thing is that in this guy's case, the cop advertised herself as an adult. What people don't understand is that really often underage girls are advertised as adults by pimps. There is a false belief in Quebec that most girls enter the industry as children literally and therefore most escorts would be underage which is false. In the case I'm describing the escort was not advertised as underage... But the cop told the guy "I'm 17" right before he showed up to the motel. This is literally the only story like this I've ever heard.

Society is already highly judgemental about this profession. Every year there is a campaign against sex work. There has already been a ton of discourse that conflated sex trafficking and sex work. It's nothing new.

However the positive thing is that many people in the industry and many organizations are advocating for decriminalization. A lot of orgs that were initially for the Nordic model are changing their minds lately because they see that it's not working to protect us.

I think it's pointless to create fear until something like this actually happens. The police doesn't have the resources to conduct massive operations like this. Even in places like Longueil and Sherbrooke. Yes I know this has happened but aside from this anecdote I haven't heard anybody tell me they actually knew of a client of theirs who was arrested.

Btw fake or sketchy ads on leolist that are easy to spot, either made by police officers and pimps, are not targeting the typical clients of "major independent SP" in my humble opinion. If you're a smart client it's pretty easy to avoid this.

Lunaseraphim · Aug 4, 2026

hobbyvil said:
Luna,

Let's stay away from friends of friends stories which in fact is off topic because this program targets clients seeking adult SP's and your story is about something everyone is against. In Longueuil, they targeted and arrested 242 clients of adult SP's they trapped by posting as Indies since the start of the program. It started in Longueuil about 3 years ago and now its very active in Sherbrooke as well; those are two major cities and the provincial governement is adding funding for 3 more years. It is not anecdotal, it is a major shift in how the Governement manages this industry. Oh and the police chief who launched the progam in Longueuil is now the chief in Montreal. These are all facts you can validate...

Le programme C3ESSES est renouvelé : une bonne nouvelle pour la lutte contre l’exploitation sexuelle - CIVAS Montérégie | Centre d'intervention en violence et agressions sexuelles

civasmonteregie.ca

I don't know what to tell you. Are you communicating to clients that they should all quit seeing escorts?

polaroid · Aug 4, 2026

Obvio-0bvio said:
Law enforcement rarely targets agencies directly, as long as they operate professionally, respectfully, and without criminal involvement. What typically draws police attention is when there are signs of coercion, trafficking, organized crime ties, or, most seriously, underage individuals being exploited. If none of those red flags are present, agencies usually stay off law enforcement’s radar.As for your question about whether police go after clients when an agency is busted: it's uncommon. In most cases, law enforcement lacks the time, budget, or incentive to pursue individual customers. Their focus tends to be on higher priority issues like weapons, gangs, and human trafficking. Chasing down clients isn’t a top concern, unless minors are involved.If underage individuals are found, the situation changes dramatically. Authorities will aggressively investigate and prosecute everyone involved, including clients. That’s one line that law enforcement does not overlook.Yes, prostitution is technically illegal, but enforcement tends to be selective. In many areas, authorities often turn a blind eye due to the tourism and economic activity the industry attracts.

That answers most of my concerns even if im mostly drawn towards incalls and MP's but since im in a serious relationship I tend to focus on activities without body fluid exchange since a condom can rip in the middle of action very annoying when it happends !!!!

Lunaseraphim · Aug 4, 2026

hobbyvil said:
Is that what drove your answers?

Honestly it is not my message, my message is sharing facts that are new and important. The Sherbrooke thred has 6 pages on this topics and Montrealers are not even aware....!

What people do in reaction is their call I have no advice for anyone. But I can tell you that I don't think it will be bad for business for you because you are an established professional so guys will actually feel safer going to you and other Indies with reputation rather han going to Leolist or such places..... At for a few years...

How this evolves long term is up in the air, the next governement might feel that this course of action is not ideal. If you read on the topic, you can see that Ontario and BC are not following suit with Quebec province because they chose other priorities. Also historically this approach has been tried and abandonned in different parts of the country. Or it could accelerate in the next 3 years and actions and perceptions could shift towards driving all of this industry further underground which I think will be a terrible net outcome. I think they need to spend their time catching the real criminels of this industry instead of all the clients they can...

My own approach is to keep to people I know and keep it occasional and stress free.

No, this isn't what drove my answers.. what drove my answers is my personal experience : I've never heard anybody tell me they were arrested, and I've never heard a story about a client being caught in such an operation aside from the one mentioned above. Does this mean it doesn't exist? Nope. But it's not an issue in Montreal at the moment, from what I know. Because we would all be very alarmed if it was.

I'm not personally worried about my business but I think instead of scaring people it's better to give them tools to avoid situations like these. What I find annoying about these conversations is that people seem to forget they have a voice as a citizen, but from what I've noticed, unfortunately, a lot of clients seem uninterested in the political aspects of this.

If sex work was decriminalized, and if clients in general became more interested in listening to us when it comes to which platforms we want to be followed on and where we prefer to advertise, we would probably have far more choices, and clients wouldn't fear getting arrested. There would be far less exploitation as well.

But whenever I have brought up decriminalization on this forum, a lot of users said they would prefer sex work to be legalized, when in fact it's well known that full legalization is harmful for a lot of people in this industry. Or they weren't interested in reading about it at all because "it's too political"...

Aside from that, notice how many people continue using websites like leolist to find "hidden gems" despite the fact that it's full of scams, bait and switch, pimped girls, etc. and perhaps undercover police officers. I know everyone has to start somewhere and there are genuine indy escorts who post on these websites because they don't have other resources, that was me when I started.. but I had to learn how to prove that I'm legit to clients.

Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson · Aug 4, 2026

Lunaseraphim said:
But whenever I have brought up decriminalization on this forum, a lot of users said they would prefer sex work to be legalized, when in fact it's well known that full legalization is harmful for a lot of people in this industry. Or they weren't interested in reading about it at all because "it's too political"...

I tend to favor decriminalization over full legalization precisely because if something is fully legalized, the state gets its claws in irrevocably. Because it wants its tax money (officially). This debate was flaring in the old country many years ago and one of the main arguments against legalizing prostitution was "if they can't find work, the state would have to pay them unemployment benefits like for any other worker" (and said state is strapped for cash at the best of times, we don't have a massive welfare state that can afford super-generous social programs). So it's not my intention to get too political up in here, but there exists primarily financial arguments both for and against legalization. I lean towards the decriminalization route instead and can understand your rationale for feeling the same way.

Lunaseraphim · Aug 5, 2026

Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson said:
I tend to favor decriminalization over full legalization precisely because if something is fully legalized, the state gets its claws in irrevocably. Because it wants its tax money (officially). This debate was flaring in the old country many years ago and one of the main arguments against legalizing prostitution was "if they can't find work, the state would have to pay them unemployment benefits like for any other worker" (and said state is strapped for cash at the best of times, we don't have a massive welfare state that can afford super-generous social programs). So it's not my intention to get too political up in here, but there exists primarily financial arguments both for and against legalization. I lean towards the decriminalization route instead and can understand your rationale for feeling the same way.

If it was legalized, options for clients would be more limited, and many of us wouldn't be able to practice legally.

In Nevada there are more arrests related to prostitution than anywhere else in the United States. Precisely because the government wants control over what happens. You can't work independently as an escort there, either.

Not everyone can work for a legal brothel. A lot of people don't want it to be official to the government that they do sex work, too. Of course there's the idea that workers could unionize but that's only if they're willing to be escorts on paper and if they can go through the process of being hired at one of these places.. or if they're allowed to, to begin with.

Lunaseraphim · Aug 5, 2026

hobbyvil said:
Where I agree with you 100% is the importance of being aware of the directions things are taking and how to exercises our power as voters.

When two consenting adults can’t enjoy sexuality for whatever reason they decided was fitting their choice of free will because of a handful of bureaucrats and politiciens getting involved and trying to criminalize either of them something is wrong…..

Yeah. It's mostly conservative groups who try to get clients criminalized. Even a lot of organizations that were initially against the decriminalization of sex work are changing their minds because they're seeing that it doesn't work, and many people are working behind the scenes to educate advocates for various causes.

A lot of politicians are just not interested in this subject immediately and they think it's like opening a can of worms. In Quebec there's a lot of misinformation about this industry and many people are not properly informed and push the narrative that most workers began when they were literally kids, lots of misconceptions about clients in general as well..

When in fact decriminalization would actually change the mentality around this and clients & employers who aren't respectful would be held accountable. If we had more legit platforms to advertise it would also be a lot easier for clients to avoid certain traps.

Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson · Aug 5, 2026

Lunaseraphim said:
Yeah. It's mostly conservative groups who try to get clients criminalized. Even a lot of organizations that were initially against the decriminalization of sex work are changing their minds because they're seeing that it doesn't work, and many people are working behind the scenes to educate advocates for various causes.

A lot of politicians are just not interested in this subject immediately and they think it's like opening a can of worms. In Quebec there's a lot of misinformation about this industry and many people are not properly informed and push the narrative that most workers began when they were literally kids, lots of misconceptions about clients in general as well..

When in fact decriminalization would actually change the mentality around this and clients & employers who aren't respectful would be held accountable. If we had more legit platforms to advertise it would also be a lot easier for clients to avoid certain traps.

From my observations, the more old-school conservatives want the working girls themselves criminalized, because they see them as sinful and destroying society’s morality by leading men into temptation to commit adultery (the stereotype that johns are largely married men being unfaithful is somewhat common). The small-government conservatives who lean towards libertarianism will oppose such an approach, arguing "look, pornography's been legalized decades ago, you no longer need to buy it in a back alley from a guy working for the mob, keeping prostitution illegal is both hypocritical in that context and ignoring the fact that you will never be able to make it go away via legislation" (similar to how they may not be in favor of drug use but realize that the "war on drugs" has been a massive failure).

Conversely, the ones wishing to see clients criminalized instead are the left-wing, "progressive" types. Who might have a vested interest to oppose heterosexual sex to begin with, it takes all kinds.

Lunaseraphim · Aug 5, 2026

Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson said:
From my observations, the more old-school conservatives want the working girls themselves criminalized, because they see them as sinful and destroying society’s morality by leading men into temptation to commit adultery (the stereotype that johns are largely married men being unfaithful is somewhat common). The small-government conservatives who lean towards libertarianism will oppose such an approach, arguing "look, pornography's been legalized decades ago, you no longer need to buy it in a back alley from a guy working for the mob, keeping prostitution illegal is both hypocritical in that context and ignoring the fact that you will never be able to make it go away via legislation" (similar to how they may not be in favor of drug use but realize that the "war on drugs" has been a massive failure).

Conversely, the ones wishing to see clients criminalized instead are the left-wing, "progressive" types. Who might have a vested interest to oppose heterosexual sex to begin with, it takes all kinds.

I don't know if progressive types want clients criminalized, generally... I've met a lot of people who aren't in the industry and are for decriminalization. but I do think that some people on both conservative and progressive sides are not well informed about the industry at all. It's really unfortunate.

MtlGuyNow · Aug 5, 2026

Giselle Montreal said:
So? You think not one of us is paying taxes?

I’m a realist. I would never under any circumstances suggest either ALL or NONE for anything or anyone.
Even lawyers do “1/2 Cash” for clients’ personal (non deductible) legal payments. “Some” people have cash they probably shouldn’t have and didn’t pay taxes on.
Have even seen this on significant home purchases between a buyer and a seller. The lawyers discretely leave the room as they can’t be a party to that since they’re “officers of the court.”
There are Parking Garages in NYC, where the City charges an 18% tax, that only accept cash. A smart administration would use CCTV or a person with a clicker counting cars going in and out.
Income taxes (federal & local) in NYC & Montreal are about 35% on a USD$100,000 net income or salary.
I don’t work for the IRS or care that much when working people do it to survive.
I have an issue with people earning $100M paying ~6% because they borrow against their assets and paying accountants millions. While it’s a lot of money Bezos pays about 4.5%.

Lunaseraphim · Aug 5, 2026

hobbyvil said:
well it was a progressive government (liberals under Trudeau) that passed the law that criminalized the clients.... so I would agree Smitty....

Yeah but that government wasn't truly progressive.. or at least not about everything. There's a lot of hypocrisy there

Giselle Montreal · Aug 6, 2026

MtlGuyNow said:
I have an issue with people earning $100M paying ~6% because they borrow against their assets and paying accountants millions. While it’s a lot of money Bezos pays about 4.5%.

Yes, I agree. They need to pay a fairer share.

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